First time buyer, owner, driver. What to buy?

[dr. d]

how's highlands?
i haven't been there in ages.

[Wh1stl3r]

Do you guys feel that loss of power from NA engines at higher altitudes? They say it's 3%/300m over sea level.

I suppose in Tagaytay it's negligible but Baguio is pretty high.

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[Egan101]

Do you guys feel that loss of power from NA engines at higher altitudes? They say it's 3%/300m over sea level.

I suppose in Tagaytay it's negligible but Baguio is pretty high.

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Most people drive their cars conservatively. Those with cars powered by gas NA engines rarely do make their cars reach its peak output. Peak torque is at 4K rpm while peak power is at 6k rpm.

Eh yung iba nga dyan kinikilabutan na kung lalampas na ng 3k rpm yung tachometer. Technically speaking, these people wouldn’t feel the difference in output at various altitudes.


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[LOLZ]

Do you guys feel that loss of power from NA engines at higher altitudes? They say it's 3%/300m over sea level.

I suppose in Tagaytay it's negligible but Baguio is pretty high.

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Probably wont be felt in non-overtaking situations with the prevalence of electronic throttle/Drive by wire allowing the engine's computer to compensate for the thinner air with a wider throttle opening for the given driver's pedal input.

[bxr monkey]

(More comfort, more space 1st 2 rows, less weight and exterior bulk)

1. CR-V diesel, ~1600kg
2. Rav4 (8km/l sa city), ~1600kg
3. Innova (for leather upgrade), ~1800kg
4. Fortuner (for shocks upgrade), ~2000kg

(Less comfort, less space 1st 2 rows, more weight and exterior bulk)

Capable lahat sa inclines. Mas matipid lalo diesel sa lighter body gaya ng CR-V, Tuscon/Sportage, Carens, or Accent.

[Wh1stl3r]

Most people drive their cars conservatively. Those with cars powered by gas NA engines rarely do make their cars reach its peak output. Peak torque is at 4K rpm while peak power is at 6k rpm.

Eh yung iba nga dyan kinikilabutan na kung lalampas na ng 3k rpm yung tachometer. Technically speaking, these people wouldn’t feel the difference in output at various altitudes.


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Baka daw masira pag pinaabot ng 4k rpm [emoji846]

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[Wh1stl3r]

Probably wont be felt in non-overtaking situations with the prevalence of electronic throttle/Drive by wire allowing the engine's computer to compensate for the thinner air with a wider throttle opening for the given driver's pedal input.

Baguio is around 1400m above sea level lang pala according to Wikipedia.

Maybe in another part of the world that is much higher (Denver?) it would be fun to compare a turbo and an NA engine with similar power/torque.

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[Egan101]

Baguio is around 1400m above sea level lang pala according to Wikipedia.

Maybe in another part of the world that is much higher (Denver?) it would be fun to compare a turbo and an NA engine with similar power/torque.

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It would only be fun if you have two drivers who has the nerve to squeeze out every ounce of power/torque available at their disposal.

Baka daw masira pag pinaabot ng 4k rpm [emoji846]

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Kaya nga may redline so yun ang huwag abutin. Even if you do redline the tachometer, the engine will not just conk out and die. Di pa naman ako nasabugan ng makina. Hehehe


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[yapoy86]

Most people drive their cars conservatively. Those with cars powered by gas NA engines rarely do make their cars reach its peak output. Peak torque is at 4K rpm while peak power is at 6k rpm.

Eh yung iba nga dyan kinikilabutan na kung lalampas na ng 3k rpm yung tachometer. Technically speaking, these people wouldn’t feel the difference in output at various altitudes.


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kasi madami sa pinoy na nagturo sa mga new drivers eh nang galing sa carburetor engine.. di pa naman uso yung variable valve timing noon eh kaya usually nasa lower rpm ang torque nyan kaya siguro nandun yung "awareness" at the back of their minds na wag mag rev more than 4k kasi sa dating engines pwede talaga masira pag nag over rev lalo na hindi maka adapt yung valves sa sobrang bilis..

pero mga modern engines ngayon, mas gusto yung nasa higher rpms.. smooth ang power delivery

[thearsenal1205]

Baguio is around 1400m above sea level lang pala according to Wikipedia.

Maybe in another part of the world that is much higher (Denver?) it would be fun to compare a turbo and an NA engine with similar power/torque.

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Or maybe higher than Denver, in Altiplano.
Old Topgear presenters drove here in their Bolivia Special Episode. All of their cars were N/A engines. Of course, their engines became weaken when they reached almost the peak of the volcano.

The Altiplano is an area of inland drainage (endorheism) lying in the central Andes, occupying parts of northern Chile and Argentina, western Bolivia and southern Peru. Its height averages about 3,750 meters (12,300 feet),[3] slightly less than that of the Tibetan Plateau. Unlike conditions in Tibet, the Altiplano is dominated by massive active volcanoes of the Central Volcanic Zone to the west, such as Ampato (6288 m), Tutupaca (5,816 m), Parinacota (6348 m), Guallatiri (6071 m), Paruma (5,728 m), Uturunku (6,008 m) and Licancabur (5,916 m), and the Cordillera Real in the north east with Illampu (6,368 m), Huayna Potosí (6,088 m), Janq'u Uma (6,427 m) and Illimani (6,438 m).[4] The Atacama Desert, one of the driest areas on the planet, lies to the southwest of the Altiplano; to the east lies the humid Amazon rainforest.

The Altiplano is noted for hypoxic air caused by very high elevation.

[RonFaj]

(More comfort, more space 1st 2 rows, less weight and exterior bulk)

1. CR-V diesel, ~1600kg
2. Rav4 (8km/l sa city), ~1600kg
3. Innova (for leather upgrade), ~1800kg
4. Fortuner (for shocks upgrade), ~2000kg

(Less comfort, less space 1st 2 rows, more weight and exterior bulk)

Capable lahat sa inclines. Mas matipid lalo diesel sa lighter body gaya ng CR-V, Tuscon/Sportage, Carens, or Accent.

Sir pasingit din ako ng tanong, new member lang.
Sa 200k na budget, for 7 persons, diesel at manual. Baguio once a month. Ano po ba best na second hand?
Choices ko; 2000 - 2001 Starex SVX turbo Diesel MT (around 200k), Kia carnival diesl MT (around 170 - 190k), Space gear local MT diesel (around 160 - 180k)? Meron pa po ba iba options? Thanks po sa mga sasagot

[StockEngine]

Do you guys feel that loss of power from NA engines at higher altitudes? They say it's 3%/300m over sea level.

I suppose in Tagaytay it's negligible but Baguio is pretty high.

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I'm above 2000masl... my 2.0 6at works OK. The corolla 1.6 4at felt weak. But the 1.6 7cvt corolla was good. I just mash the gas pedal til I reach 80kph I just let it downshift on its own.

[bxr monkey]

Sir pasingit din ako ng tanong, new member lang.
Sa 200k na budget, for 7 persons, diesel at manual. Baguio once a month. Ano po ba best na second hand?
Choices ko; 2000 - 2001 Starex SVX turbo Diesel MT (around 200k), Kia carnival diesl MT (around 170 - 190k), Space gear local MT diesel (around 160 - 180k)? Meron pa po ba iba options? Thanks po sa mga sasagot

Sa mga choices, mas okay ang Starex, madami parts.

Alternate din ang Revo na diesel.

[dr. d]

Sa mga choices, mas okay ang Starex, madami parts.

Alternate din ang Revo na diesel.

i agree.
but at that price and, probably, at their age and odometer readings,
"prepare considerable amount of money for repairs."

revo?
only if the humen out back are small kids.

[RonFaj]

i agree.
but at that price and, probably, at their age and odometer readings,
"prepare considerable amount of money for repairs."

revo?
only if the humen out back are small kids.

Ok po, thank you po sa advice.

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Sa mga choices, mas okay ang Starex, madami parts.

Alternate din ang Revo na diesel.

Di po ba ok ang space gear?

[bxr monkey]

Di po ba ok ang space gear?

Ay oo nga. Noong 2000s kambal pala ang Starex at L400 Spacegear. Siguraduhin lang na original local LHD unit. Hindi converted.

May mga usapan din dito. cheaper to maintain: Starex or Spacegear?

Agree din kay Doc tungkol sa allowance for repairs.

[yapoy86]

kung starex, mas ok yung GRX series... crdi engine na

[ice15]

hmmm, last post ni TS was in March.

I wonder which car ang pnili nya

I have a friend from Mindoro also asking me for car suggestions...

[dr. d]

Ok po, thank you po sa advice.

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Di po ba ok ang space gear?

starex versus spacegear.

an example of the pupil out-shining the teacher.

also, spacegear did not sell in large numbers here. expect some difficulty sourcing parts.

[RonFaj]

Ay oo nga. Noong 2000s kambal pala ang Starex at L400 Spacegear. Siguraduhin lang na original local LHD unit. Hindi converted.

May mga usapan din dito. cheaper to maintain: Starex or Spacegear?

Agree din kay Doc tungkol sa allowance for repairs.

Thanks po sa link. Will check it out.