audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[otephz]

Try going to Jeff Tan at Araneta car center something. Near sm Sta Mesa lang. He can suggest something good for you

My advice is to take it step by step. So that through time you can increase your budget. You can change your HU first. Then Speakers. Amp and Deadening. Finally a Sub. If you'd like to take your audio game another level, add a Processor. For that budget, maybe add a little more and get one of those nice 2-DIN Pioneers. They have basic tuning options but are very useful.

For brands, I'd suggest get one of the established brands so no regrets in the future. Microbrands in my experience has reliability issues. Lately, it's with Flux seps. For some reason, the right tweeter always goes out but cabling is good. Might need to have it replaced. I also didn't appreciate that my speakers went on sale for some reason after acquiring it for just a couple of months. It just proves how cheap Flux is. When I first got it, packaging was basic, and literature is inexistent. It is also even hard to look for specs on these speakers online. What made it worse is the construction of these separates were as simple as Targa components which cost 6x less. It hardly has any branding, and the build looks flimsy. Kinda like generic crap. Next time I'll stick with the tried-and-tested brands like Focal, DLS, Morel, Hertz etc.

Thanks Mate!

I already have my Pioneer HU.
I need to buy Amp and speakers. (JBL 4CH will be ok? worth 3500 2nd hand)
For the subs/speakers, i have no idea on the size (10"/12") which is better setup for the amp.

[sientobente]

Sa sound yata satisfied sya bro, i guess sa build quality sya na disappoint.

Yup yup! Sound quality is on the neutral side. Not really to my liking but it is good enough in it's price level. But the build is sub par. I regret not shelling out a bit more money to get the Morel Tempo Ultra or the Focal Flax 165F.

[sientobente]

Thanks Mate!

I already have my Pioneer HU.
I need to buy Amp and speakers. (JBL 4CH will be ok? worth 3500 2nd hand)
For the subs/speakers, i have no idea on the size (10"/12") which is better setup for the amp.

I would suggest to start with seps, powered by just the HU. The Hertz ESK is a good performer that cost around 9.5k or something. I will choose Hertz over JBL because JBL's house sound tends to be shrill.

[reptar]

My advice is to take it step by step. So that through time you can increase your budget. You can change your HU first. Then Speakers. Amp and Deadening. Finally a Sub. If you'd like to take your audio game another level, add a Processor. For that budget, maybe add a little more and get one of those nice 2-DIN Pioneers. They have basic tuning options but are very useful.

For brands, I'd suggest get one of the established brands so no regrets in the future. Microbrands in my experience has reliability issues. Lately, it's with Flux seps. For some reason, the right tweeter always goes out but cabling is good. Might need to have it replaced. I also didn't appreciate that my speakers went on sale for some reason after acquiring it for just a couple of months. It just proves how cheap Flux is. When I first got it, packaging was basic, and literature is inexistent. It is also even hard to look for specs on these speakers online. What made it worse is the construction of these separates were as simple as Targa components which cost 6x less. It hardly has any branding, and the build looks flimsy. Kinda like generic crap. Next time I'll stick with the tried-and-tested brands like Focal, DLS, Morel, Hertz etc.

Wow thanks for the heads up. Im shopping for seps and my installer suggested flux instead of focal. Bago daw at mas maganda. Had some focal flax on my old car so I said pag isipan ko muna. For a budget of 15k whats the best seperates that I can buy ba? I had the 165v before I upgraded to flax. I like the sound signature better than the morel counterpart but the thing is I had a complete setup before with amps deadening aftermarket hu and sub. Ninja upgrade lang muna gagawin ko ngayon for warranty reasons so front speakers lang papalitan ko.

[sientobente]

Wow thanks for the heads up. Im shopping for seps and my installer suggested flux instead of focal. Bago daw at mas maganda. Had some focal flax on my old car so I said pag isipan ko muna. For a budget of 15k whats the best seperates that I can buy ba? I had the 165v before I upgraded to flax. I like the sound signature better than the morel counterpart but the thing is I had a complete setup before with amps deadening aftermarket hu and sub. Ninja upgrade lang muna gagawin ko ngayon for warranty reasons so front speakers lang papalitan ko.

Yeah, no recommendations for Flux from me. I guess if it's somewhere around the sub-20k level, personally, I'll only take a look at the Focal 165F and the Morel Tempo Ultra. I already tried my 165FX powered by just the stock HU, and I like the sound signature already. Full-bodied and warm sounding. The 165F is not much different than the 165FX, since the difference mainly is just the dustcap. The dustcap of the 165FX was designed to have a more focused dispersal, while the 165F has a wider throw. What I like on the Tempo Ultras though is the excellent low-end bass. It's enough to make you not itch for a sub for a while.

On the 20-25k level, I like the DLS Ultimate UP6i - space saving, warm sounding and silky smooth highs. All those I have auditioned un-amped.

[Underpar]

Wow thanks for the heads up. Im shopping for seps and my installer suggested flux instead of focal. Bago daw at mas maganda. Had some focal flax on my old car so I said pag isipan ko muna. For a budget of 15k whats the best seperates that I can buy ba? I had the 165v before I upgraded to flax. I like the sound signature better than the morel counterpart but the thing is I had a complete setup before with amps deadening aftermarket hu and sub. Ninja upgrade lang muna gagawin ko ngayon for warranty reasons so front speakers lang papalitan ko.

Add a little to your 15k bro and get the new Ground Zero Uranium Seps, GZUC 650SQ. I have heard very feedback about this seps. This is made in Germany.

[phil15]

I have a Mosconi 4 to 6 dsp gathering dust in the garage since I upgraded my HU to 5850bt. I would like to know the advantages of having it re-installed since the 5850bt has tuning capabilities such as crossovers, TA etc.

If no compelling advantages, benta ko na lang siguro - sayang din naman kasi. Thanks!

[TheUninvited]

Meron ba dito naka Pioneer AVH5850BT?

Kakapakabit ko lang kahapon pero di ko mapagana yung app link.

Gusto ko sana paganahin yung Waze. I tried BT and USB connection pero ayaw pareho

I have an Android phone (Moto X pure).

Sana pala I settled na lang sa cheaper HUs na may mirror link capability

Sino gusto swap? haha

[sientobente]

I have a Mosconi 4 to 6 dsp gathering dust in the garage since I upgraded my HU to 5850bt. I would like to know the advantages of having it re-installed since the 5850bt has tuning capabilities such as crossovers, TA etc.

If no compelling advantages, benta ko na lang siguro - sayang din naman kasi. Thanks!

Advantage sir ng processor is exact measurements and an expanded range of those tuning tools. Like for example, if the HU does TA on a per inch distance, the Processor can do decimal points on each inch.

[sientobente]

Meron ba dito naka Pioneer AVH5850BT?

Kakapakabit ko lang kahapon pero di ko mapagana yung app link.

Gusto ko sana paganahin yung Waze. I tried BT and USB connection pero ayaw pareho

I have an Android phone (Moto X pure).

Sana pala I settled na lang sa cheaper HUs na may mirror link capability

Sino gusto swap? haha

Google decided to pull out the support for Waze on HUs. They planned to focus and develop Android Auto instead were on future updates, Waze will already be included.

[rally]

Advantage sir ng processor is exact measurements and an expanded range of those tuning tools. Like for example, if the HU does TA on a per inch distance, the Processor can do decimal points on each inch.

for processor, I have a DSP and once I removed the RCA from HU my amp turn-on
any idea guys?

[phil15]

Thanks sientobente. If that's the case, the 5850bt will act as transport and internal dac will be by-passed by the 4to6, correct? I think I would let go of the processor already since I am satisfied with the tuning options the 5850bt provides. Hirap din mag saksak sa laptop every time mag tweak ng tono.

Advantage sir ng processor is exact measurements and an expanded range of those tuning tools. Like for example, if the HU does TA on a per inch distance, the Processor can do decimal points on each inch.

[reptar]

Yeah, no recommendations for Flux from me. I guess if it's somewhere around the sub-20k level, personally, I'll only take a look at the Focal 165F and the Morel Tempo Ultra. I already tried my 165FX powered by just the stock HU, and I like the sound signature already. Full-bodied and warm sounding. The 165F is not much different than the 165FX, since the difference mainly is just the dustcap. The dustcap of the 165FX was designed to have a more focused dispersal, while the 165F has a wider throw. What I like on the Tempo Ultras though is the excellent low-end bass. It's enough to make you not itch for a sub for a while.

On the 20-25k level, I like the DLS Ultimate UP6i - space saving, warm sounding and silky smooth highs. All those I have auditioned un-amped.

Thanks for the suggestions. I already intstalled the 165f and added some deadeners on the front doors. Nagmahal na pala siya. Before it was around 16k and the 165fx was around 21k. Ngayon halos 19k na sya while the fx is 26k! Im planning to add an underseat sub next. Medyo maliit kasi mazda 2 and id like to hide it kapag papa pms na. Any suggestions for a budget of 15k?
Btw are you also on pdvd? My handle's fentom over there. Started my journey in audio on headphiles then pdvd then ICE na.

[sientobente]

Thanks for the suggestions. I already intstalled the 165f and added some deadeners on the front doors. Nagmahal na pala siya. Before it was around 16k and the 165fx was around 21k. Ngayon halos 19k na sya while the fx is 26k! Im planning to add an underseat sub next. Medyo maliit kasi mazda 2 and id like to hide it kapag papa pms na. Any suggestions for a budget of 15k?
Btw are you also on pdvd? My handle's fentom over there. Started my journey in audio on headphiles then pdvd then ICE na.

Yes sir, same handle sa pdvd. I am installing a 10" sub in a compact 5 liter box on my hatch next week. I will let you know the results when its already installed.

[jhnkvn]

RE: Mosconi and Pioneer
Unlikely. The only time you'll bypass the Pioneer DAC is if the signal goes through pure digital and as most people install via analog RCAs, chances are you won't bypass it. So it'll go through the Pioneer DAC muna before being influenced by the Mosconi DAC.

I'll be honest: I never appreciated the differences in DACs. I'm more on the science and scientific part when it comes to DACs over their supposed sound. This is why I recommend buying a head unit for its features; not on how it sounds. So yes, I would recommend that you sell the Mosconi DSP nalang.

Re: Subs
Go for underseat subwoofers only if you really think you need the space. Just for the record, I believe stock car subwoofers sound better than underseat subs. If one has spare amplifier channels, it might be a better idea to go for a low profile subwoofer with a fabricated MDF box. Just make the box small to fit whatever requirements you need.

[bugsmobile]

To those who are using Pioneer 2 din head units, & have an iphone 7/7+, did you encounter any problem? I installed a pioneer 2850 in my wife's Innova. Her previous phone was an iphone 6+, & we had no problems making waze show up in the head unit, but when she got the 7+, only black screen shows in the head unit, but audio can be heard.

[TheUninvited]

To those who are using Pioneer 2 din head units, & have an iphone 7/7+, did you encounter any problem? I installed a pioneer 2850 in my wife's Innova. Her previous phone was an iphone 6+, & we had no problems making waze show up in the head unit, but when she got the 7+, only black screen shows in the head unit, but audio can be heard.

Try ko later sir. I have a 7+ and Pioneer 5850.

[bugsmobile]

Try ko later sir. I have a 7+ and Pioneer 5850.

Thanks sir. I got a 2din for my wife specifically for 2 reasons - back up cam & waze. Now hassle nawala yung display ng waze sa headunit when she plugs the iphone 7+.

[reptar]

RE: Mosconi and Pioneer
Unlikely. The only time you'll bypass the Pioneer DAC is if the signal goes through pure digital and as most people install via analog RCAs, chances are you won't bypass it. So it'll go through the Pioneer DAC muna before being influenced by the Mosconi DAC.

I'll be honest: I never appreciated the differences in DACs. I'm more on the science and scientific part when it comes to DACs over their supposed sound. This is why I recommend buying a head unit for its features; not on how it sounds. So yes, I would recommend that you sell the Mosconi DSP nalang.

Re: Subs
Go for underseat subwoofers only if you really think you need the space. Just for the record, I believe stock car subwoofers sound better than underseat subs. If one has spare amplifier channels, it might be a better idea to go for a low profile subwoofer with a fabricated MDF box. Just make the box small to fit whatever requirements you need.

Alright Ill look into other options first.

Mazda's headunit tuning capabilities really limited. I wonder if anybody's tried adding a dsp To their system

[sientobente]

To those who are using Pioneer 2 din head units, & have an iphone 7/7+, did you encounter any problem? I installed a pioneer 2850 in my wife's Innova. Her previous phone was an iphone 6+, & we had no problems making waze show up in the head unit, but when she got the 7+, only black screen shows in the head unit, but audio can be heard.

I use the X8850BT with an Iphone 6S, never got Waze to function on my HU. I read from an Android forum, Google is dropping Waze support for HUs. They will focus on Android Auto instead, and put Waze there. This is why I was in the market for an Android phone. Although I just bought an Oppo F1S recently, haven't tried out Waze yet.