audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[wezz_zzew]

Try this simple set-up.

Pioneer Head Unit (DEH-440BT)
JBL GT5-S12 Subwoofer 12 Inches
JBL GTO6080 Separates
JBL GTO629 Coaxial

This set-up will cost less than 20K but the quality is priceless.

[b2r1y]

Ano ba ok na front speakers for 3k budget? 12 yrs old stock speakers kasi ito. Malakas na ba ang 250w? Hindi naman kasi ako soundfreak and para lang ito sa weekend car ko.

[jhnkvn]

Anything that fits your budget.

And don't underestimate 250W of power. But how loud it is isn't completely dependent on power. More likely than not, you should be looking at driver sensitivity instead as not everbody uses their power "reserves". The higher it is, the better for low powered systems

[payps21]

Hi folks, anyone here who have used the stock avt head unit on the new lancer ex for sq setup? Ok lang ba na ito muna gamitin for entry level sq sound system? Nanghihinayang kasi ko palitan since maganda itong hu may gps and dvd na kasi and integrated sa panel. Thanks in advance!

[jhnkvn]

Walang problema as long as you aren't doing any hardcore setups. The AVT head unit has RCA pre-outs at the back which you can tap to connect to your amplifier.

[payps21]

Walang problema as long as you aren't doing any hardcore setups. The AVT head unit has RCA pre-outs at the back which you can tap to connect to your amplifier.

Thanks sir, ive been backreading this thread though di pa ko masyado nakalayo. To add further sa noob questions ko, a club member is selling some of his car's audio components, specifically:

-Brutus hifonics mono amp and brutus hifonics subwoofer bundle (4k) ported box gawa ng mickey's

-Alpine f450 4way amp (3k)

-All stinger cables and wires, sukat specifically for the lancer ex (3k)

Came from his sq setup (ported box though, compromise siguro for the deeper gumagapang bass instead of a sealed one)

Balak ko pakyawin na lahat and hingi konting discount, and just buy morel separates and tweeters and have the installation done by mickey's as well. Do you think this is ok for my starter setup? Are the items priced cheap or just so so? Or do you suggest just going for a 5 channel amp and buy a new sub with a sealed box from mickey's?

I'm not very knowledgeable sa car audio setups pa kasi, still researching on this pa. TIA for inputs.

[jhnkvn]

Thanks sir, ive been backreading this thread though di pa ko masyado nakalayo. To add further sa noob questions ko, a club member is selling some of his car's audio components, specifically:

-Brutus hifonics mono amp and brutus hifonics subwoofer bundle (4k) ported box gawa ng mickey's

-Alpine f450 4way amp (3k)

-All stinger cables and wires, sukat specifically for the lancer ex (3k)

Came from his sq setup (ported box though, compromise siguro for the deeper gumagapang bass instead of a sealed one)

Balak ko pakyawin na lahat and hingi konting discount, and just buy morel separates and tweeters and have the installation done by mickey's as well. Do you think this is ok for my starter setup? Are the items priced cheap or just so so? Or do you suggest just going for a 5 channel amp and buy a new sub with a sealed box from mickey's?

I'm not very knowledgeable sa car audio setups pa kasi, still researching on this pa. TIA for inputs.

As I do not know the condition of the items, it's hard to tell whether it's of-value or not. However, it seems pretty discounted na on my book. What you want to be careful of is the condition of the subwoofer because the subwoofer is often the subject of... playback abuse (ex. times na gusto mo lang talaga bumayo) and so chances are, its performance isn't what we call top-notch compared to before.

There's no problem for a ported box in a "SQ" setup. In fact, I love ported over sealed on the basis of efficiency. If you feel the tuned bass is too overpowering, just EQ it down if you could. Problem for most people is that ported boxes usually have larger space requirements and that comes at a premium for most guys.

The thing with subwoofers is that all of them are governed by what we call as Hoffman's Iron Law. It's infamous for being "iron" is because.. well, nobody has ever disproved it. It basically means you have three factors: 1) bass extension 2) efficiency and 3) a small enclosure... and you can just pick two. A small sealed subwoofer means getting 1 and 3. A very small sealed subwoofer (ex. under the seat subs) means 2 and 3. Getting a large sealed subwoofer means 1 and 2. A large ported subwoofer means 1 and 2. Between the three, #3 is very important for most people, #2 is less-so because power is cheap compared to the 1990s and #1 isn't much of a problem because getting bass is easy in a car environment.

Personally, I'll go get the package. It seems pretty attractive for the price naman. As long as they aren't lemons, they should perform admirably while saving a few pennies down the road. I'm a fan of secondhand amplifiers.. but not much for secondhand speakers. As for wires, it would be wise to also check for oxidation and other "imperfections" thanks to age.

[payps21]

As I do not know the condition of the items, it's hard to tell whether it's of-value or not. However, it seems pretty discounted na on my book. What you want to be careful of is the condition of the subwoofer because the subwoofer is often the subject of... playback abuse (ex. times na gusto mo lang talaga bumayo) and so chances are, its performance isn't what we call top-notch compared to before.

There's no problem for a ported box in a "SQ" setup. In fact, I love ported over sealed on the basis of efficiency. If you feel the tuned bass is too overpowering, just EQ it down if you could. Problem for most people is that ported boxes usually have larger space requirements and that comes at a premium for most guys.

The thing with subwoofers is that all of them are governed by what we call as Hoffman's Iron Law. It's infamous for being "iron" is because.. well, nobody has ever disproved it. It basically means you have three factors: 1) bass extension 2) efficiency and 3) a small enclosure... and you can just pick two. A small sealed subwoofer means getting 1 and 3. A very small sealed subwoofer (ex. under the seat subs) means 2 and 3. Getting a large sealed subwoofer means 1 and 2. A large ported subwoofer means 1 and 2. Between the three, #3 is very important for most people, #2 is less-so because power is cheap compared to the 1990s and #1 isn't much of a problem because getting bass is easy in a car environment.

Personally, I'll go get the package. It seems pretty attractive for the price naman. As long as they aren't lemons, they should perform admirably while saving a few pennies down the road. I'm a fan of secondhand amplifiers.. but not much for secondhand speakers. As for wires, it would be wise to also check for oxidation and other "imperfections" thanks to age.

Thank you very much sir jhnkvn, youre always very helpful, appreciate your detailed answers.

[SEALANDER]

Guys info naman on these amps:

V12 NV 10- A-480
V12 NV 805

Nakita ko lang sa Ace hardware. These are selling for roughly P4,000.

[mateomarco]

Guys info naman on these amps:

V12 NV 10- A-480
V12 NV 805

Nakita ko lang sa Ace hardware. These are selling for roughly P4,000.

is that the v12 bootleg amps? color black and red? Mahal yan sa 4K...Nasa 2 to 3k lang yan...

[jhnkvn]

Guys info naman on these amps:

V12 NV 10- A-480
V12 NV 805

Nakita ko lang sa Ace hardware. These are selling for roughly P4,000.

Confirm where they got it. Ace, Blade, etc. these hardware stores aren't what we call trust-worthy when it comes to car audio goods. Mas maganda parin that you go to Banawe or find an authorized distributor or reseller of the product you're searching.

There was a time when Blade was caught selling fake Elettromedia Hertz (HERTZ by Elettromedia - Special Car Stereo) products.

[andrew_28]

hello, good day tsikoteers.
I was going to canvass for a new set of front speakers and the shop owner recommended the buddy dominations seperates.
Anyone with an actual experience with the buddy speakers?
thanks.

[jhnkvn]

hello, good day tsikoteers.
I was going to canvass for a new set of front speakers and the shop owner recommended the buddy dominations seperates.
Anyone with an actual experience with the buddy speakers?
thanks.

Trust me, in the sub-10k speaker category, most of them are so similar that it's frightening. There are differences in sound but that's thanks to speaker materials where the majority are made of either PP (Polypropylene) or paper. Their crossover networks are geared for mass production and isn't what you call unique to each one.

In any case, go for it.

[andrew_28]

Trust me, in the sub-10k speaker category, most of them are so similar that it's frightening. There are differences in sound but that's thanks to speaker materials where the majority are made of either PP (Polypropylene) or paper. Their crossover networks are geared for mass production and isn't what you call unique to each one.

In any case, go for it.

thanks for the reply. anyway the shop owner even guaranteed that the speakers are better sounding than jbl gto seperates

[SEALANDER]

is that the v12 bootleg amps? color black and red? Mahal yan sa 4K...Nasa 2 to 3k lang yan...

Yes black and red. What I know is that V12 amplifiers are made by Alpine. Pero walang Alpine na tatak. Correct me if I'm wrong. What about its performance?

[mateomarco]

Yes black and red. What I know is that V12 amplifiers are made by Alpine. Pero walang Alpine na tatak. Correct me if I'm wrong. What about its performance?

Those are china or taiwan made na sir...In short, hindi na po alpine mga yan...Okay nman po yan...yung 805 na may powerpunch na nakalagay, okay po yan...saw and installed plenty of setup with that budget amplifier...

[ParticleX]

Ask ko lang where do I plug my tweeters? Sa amp ba or sa stereo?

Kasi I plugged in my seps directly sa stereo (bypassing the amp) for a while now... Then I tried plugging the seps kahapon to the amp and nagulat ako kasi mas naging klaro, although parang naging makalansing masyado, overpowering yung tweeters. Naka set naman sa 0 boost yung treble.


Thanks!

[ben_david19]

Ask ko lang where do I plug my tweeters? Sa amp ba or sa stereo?

Kasi I plugged in my seps directly sa stereo (bypassing the amp) for a while now... Then I tried plugging the seps kahapon to the amp and nagulat ako kasi mas naging klaro, although parang naging makalansing masyado, overpowering yung tweeters. Naka set naman sa 0 boost yung treble.


Thanks!

teka ginamit mo ba ang passive crossover ng seps? kasi iyan ang nagfi-filter ng frequencies na papasok sa midbass at tweeter. yung amplifier dapat naka-level match din sa head unit.

kung component speakers/separates, dapat kasi may passive crossover. so kahit saan mo sila ikabit pwede. kung sa amp, sa full mo ilagay (both hpf and lpf), either way frequencies will still be filtered by the passive crossover. (pa-correct nalang mga gurus kung mali ako)

[ParticleX]

teka ginamit mo ba ang passive crossover ng seps? kasi iyan ang nagfi-filter ng frequencies na papasok sa midbass at tweeter. yung amplifier dapat naka-level match din sa head unit.

kung component speakers/separates, dapat kasi may passive crossover. so kahit saan mo sila ikabit pwede. kung sa amp, sa full mo ilagay (both hpf and lpf), either way frequencies will still be filtered by the passive crossover. (pa-correct nalang mga gurus kung mali ako)

Yes may passive xover. Medyo nadodrown kasi ang mids and lows, overpowering na yung highs, or di lang ako sanay

Set ang gains ng amp (0, +6, +12db) for treble and bass, naka 0 gain dun sa channels nung separates.

Am thinking na subukan ko ikabit ulit sa stereo yung tweeters (bypassing the amp). Kapagod kasi mag reinstall ng door panels

[garygallardo]

Sir mura na ba itong setup na ito, sa Montero ko ikakabit.

Headunit: Stock AVT
Amplifier: Ads 650.4
Separates: Teac-CS6
Sub: 6.5 in Lightning Lab
AVT RCA Audio Plug
Deadening 4 doors
Wires and Labor
Package : 14k
SQ lang

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