audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

For in-car listening, it's not always more drivers = better. Unlike at home where you have a large room, your car is a small enclosed space while driving. This means there's more to it than just adding drivers. For example, those rear speakers might in fact reduce what you hear from your subwoofer. How? By nulling some of the waves of your subwoofer/midbass.

*D3nB3r

Break-in is a subjective matter. Some believe in it, some doesn't, some are in the middle. But as a matter of fact, most speakers are already partially "broken-in" at their manufacturing factory during quality control testing. If you don't believe me, try Youtubing how the likes of Dynaudio or Focal-JMLab manufacturing process.

At the end of the day, breaking in is true because you can quantify the changes of the speaker due to a softened suspension, etc. However, it won't make your speakers sound from crap to great - that's a myth so that installers may dissuade buyers from returning their product.

[D3nb3r]

*D3nB3r

Break-in is a subjective matter. Some believe in it, some doesn't, some are in the middle. But as a matter of fact, most speakers are already partially "broken-in" at their manufacturing factory during quality control testing. If you don't believe me, try Youtubing how the likes of Dynaudio or Focal-JMLab manufacturing process.

At the end of the day, breaking in is true because you can quantify the changes of the speaker due to a softened suspension, etc. However, it won't make your speakers sound from crap to great - that's a myth so that installers may dissuade buyers from returning their product.

Thanks for confirming sir jhnkvn. And with your reputation here in tsikot, I'm in no position not to believe you, hehehehe. Kidding aside, your right dahil most reputable sellers have a money back guarantee on their items. It's just that there are so many speaker brands out there that after reading their brochures and reviews, newbies like me will have a conundrum in choosing which one to get. I wanted a Rockford Fosgate P1675-S before and now I'm leaning towards a Kicker DS65.2 Your thoughts on these two?

[jhnkvn]

Thanks for confirming sir jhnkvn. And with your reputation here in tsikot, I'm in no position not to believe you, hehehehe. Kidding aside, your right dahil most reputable sellers have a money back guarantee on their items. It's just that there are so many speaker brands out there that after reading their brochures and reviews, newbies like me will have a conundrum in choosing which one to get. I wanted a Rockford Fosgate P1675-S before and now I'm leaning towards a Kicker DS65.2 Your thoughts on these two?

Without any research, I'll get the more affordable one Both companies are reputed. Kicker in their subwoofers while Rockford at their amplifiers. Still, you may want to get brands that are known in the speaker world. JBL, Morel, Infinity, etc.

[D3nb3r]

Without any research, I'll get the more affordable one Both companies are reputed. Kicker in their subwoofers while Rockford at their amplifiers. Still, you may want to get brands that are known in the speaker world. JBL, Morel, Infinity, etc.

thank you sir, will do more research but its good to read some feedback from you and some 1st hand experience.
Now my head is spinning. dati rockford fosgate and kicker lang ngayun JBL, Morel, and Infinity pa. Buti wala sa budget ang focal (joke)

[simonzaide]

After some backreading and some research more or less im decided to go this set up

Focal flax 3 way
Focal p30
Dynaquest dt 440 (2 pieces)

Now for added questions

Do i need another amp to run the sub or can i just connect if the the extra 2 channels of the other dt440

If i will go a semi active route

Tweeter and midrange to crossover on amp 1

Bass and subwoofer on amp 2

Is this possible and this means i can run this using an audison bit ten processor right ?

Another option is run a full active 3 way with a mosconi 6 to 8 ?

And add another amp for the sub alone. Would a regular 300w class d mono amp do ? Like a firland

Thanks for the replies

[jhnkvn]

After some backreading and some research more or less im decided to go this set up

Focal flax 3 way
Focal p30
Dynaquest dt 440 (2 pieces)

No for added questions

Do i need another amp to run the sub or can i just connect if the the extra 2 channels of the other dt440

If i will go a semi active route

Tweeter and midrange to crossover on amp 1

Bass and subwoofer on amp 2

Is this possible and this means i can run this using an audison bit ten processor right ?

Another option is run a full active 3 way with a mosconi 6 to 8 ?

And add another amp for the sub alone. Would a regular 300w class d mono amp do ? Like a firland

Thanks for the replies

The Focal P30 is a single voice coil subwoofer nominal 4ohms. Just bridge two of the channels of your DT440 for it. It might not have as much power as a mono amplifier but it'll work. In fact, I'll recommend you stick with this setup rather than purchasing a mono amplifier for it. The only time you need a mono amplifier is when you need more power and stability at lower resistance/ohms.

Your Dynaquest DT440 is a four-channel amplifier. Having two of them means you have 8 channels to play with. What I recommend is that you go for full-active 3-way by upgrading your Bit Ten to a Bit One or equivalent (like your mentioned Mosconi 6to8). Since nandyan ka na rin sa point na yan, might as well splurge a few more.

In case you're fearing you'll need more power, just make your subwoofer box bigger.

[simonzaide]

Okay thanks sir

So the 2 dynaquest amps are enough to power the 3 ways and a sub

Now time to earn more money to afford the bit one

[D3nb3r]

I plan to make a step-by-step upgrade in the future of my setup and hindi yung isang bagsakan lang. First seps muna bilhin ko, then amps, then under seat sub (need the space kasi).
My question is between JBL and Infinity. I know that they are both from Harman DNA but is it worth the money to buy the Infinity Kappa 60.11CS over the JBL’s GTO 609C? Kappa is twice the price of the GTO.
thanks

[jhnkvn]

I plan to make a step-by-step upgrade in the future of my setup and hindi yung isang bagsakan lang. First seps muna bilhin ko, then amps, then under seat sub (need the space kasi).
My question is between JBL and Infinity. I know that they are both from Harman DNA but is it worth the money to buy the Infinity Kappa 60.11CS over the JBL’s GTO 609C? Kappa is twice the price of the GTO.
thanks

The Kappa should be around the same price level as the JBL MS62 speakers. I'll get the JBL in that case. Truthfully, at this price point, you might also want to pony up on Focal's entry-level Access speakers 165AS which should start around 9,000php.

But really, the JBL MS62 is excellent at this price point. If you want more brand gravitas, you should go Focal. But on a pure sound quality perspective, the MS62 should trump over its rivals. It's also EISA's 2012 award winner if memory serves right.

[D3nb3r]

The Kappa should be around the same price level as the JBL MS62 speakers. I'll get the JBL in that case. Truthfully, at this price point, you might also want to pony up on Focal's entry-level Access speakers 165AS which should start around 9,000php.

But really, the JBL MS62 is excellent at this price point. If you want more brand gravitas, you should go Focal. But on a pure sound quality perspective, the MS62 should trump over its rivals. It's also EISA's 2012 award winner if memory serves right.

I just want to confirm sir jhnkvn if the JBL MS62 na tinutukoy nyo is the same as the JBL MS62C? Yun kasi nakita ko sa mickey’s na site. The JBL MS62C is actually cheaper than Kappa 60.11CS by P1.1k. That’s a lot of savings (if mickey’s updated those prices). Mas mataas lang sensitivity nang Kappa 60.11CS. Also it says that it’s a marine series, does this mean also that the speaker is water resistant? Anyway, I’ll just download the MS62C pdf product guide for further reading.

I don’t have a deep pocket and I’m not really particular sa brand nung speaker. It’s just that, with my limited knowledge in automotive audio it would be best if I stick to the well known/tested brands backed up by engineering/research, reviews and experts here in tsikot. I also believe that “you always get what you paid for”. If di pa kaya nang budget, I tend to save and research muna (like the 25k retrofit I shell out for my headlights) Kaya plan ko for my audio set up is to do it one at a time.

It really pays to ask questions first, thanks sir jhnkvn