audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[romeocharlie]

guys any recommended skilled tuner in Batangas or nearby areas? thank you.

[Sleepcare]

Pa advise lang guys: Will go to Mickey's this Saturday to swap the stock stereo on my 2016 Kia Carnival with these:

1. New 2-DIN HU (maybe the Pioneer AVH X8850BT because of Car Play)
2. New 2 way separates (thinking of the Focal P165FX)
3. An under-seat active sub

That is the plan as discussed with Mickey but then I found this hardly-used Steg 120.2 Q-mos amp at home from a failed installation about 12 years ago (that's another story). Now I'm wondering if it will do any good to use this amp for the Carnival setup or just save it for another car another day. What do you guys think? Should I use the Steg to power the fronts? Diba overkill ang 120-wpc RMS?

Note: I'm not open to the idea of a passive subwoofer (heavy and lethal in case of a collision) which is why I'll settle for a small active sub. Thanks in advance.

For me hindi naman overkill yung Steg amp. But since you already have an amplifier, better to use it nalang.

If I were a Carnival or a van owner, i would also opt to change the rear speakers then power it using a 4 channel amplifier. I guess this depends sa owner ng vehicle kung ano gusto ma-achieve na sound. Experts may chime in.

[Sleepcare]

Actually, di naman ako bass lover so sub is not priority. Even amplifier is not priority now. Di naman ako todo magpatugtog sa loob ng car as I want to be alert on other cars surrounding me. Just want a decent speaker which can be easily recommended by more experienced users.

Focal talaga sinesearch ko before but budget might not be enough. Since nagbasa din ako dito ng recommended installers around QC, I checked jetcar kaya nalaman ko Ground Zero. But there are two of you who recommended Morel to me so just need to check sino dealers around QC that can install like a pro. Though I checked JC car audio kahit San Juan sila pero nahihiya ako magtanong as I'm a noob sa car audio. Hehe

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Ok naman sumagot si JC but I find Mickey easier to talk to. If QC area, you may check Timsaudiogarage. As per experience, ok naman yung installs niya for me.

[ParticleX]

Targa pa rin ba bang for the buck? Recently inquired, parang less than 2k lang yung 6 or 6.5in separates nila. Had the X652Cs before, and wala naman akong audiophile ears pero they are good enough. Planning to upgrade another vehicle eh.

Ano pa ba ibang brands and models available at around 3 to 5k?

[desmosedici]

For me hindi naman overkill yung Steg amp. But since you already have an amplifier, better to use it nalang.

If I were a Carnival or a van owner, i would also opt to change the rear speakers then power it using a 4 channel amplifier. I guess this depends sa owner ng vehicle kung ano gusto ma-achieve na sound. Experts may chime in.

Thanks for the advise. Will consider the 4-channel amp / 4 speaker setup. I'm sure the tuning guys will prefer not to use the rear speakers though. Mahirap yata i-tune?

[Lzarellano]

Targa pa rin ba bang for the buck? Recently inquired, parang less than 2k lang yung 6 or 6.5in separates nila. Had the X652Cs before, and wala naman akong audiophile ears pero they are good enough. Planning to upgrade another vehicle eh.

Ano pa ba ibang brands and models available at around 3 to 5k?

pioneer jbl ryanaudio

[Lzarellano]

Thanks for the advise. Will consider the 4-channel amp / 4 speaker setup. I'm sure the tuning guys will prefer not to use the rear speakers though. Mahirap yata i-tune?

if ayaw mo ng rear speakers, pwede mo gamitin yung 2 channel pa for an underseat sub. May shallow 8inch subs na kasya underseat, may box na yun. Ganun gamit ko sa navara, maybe sa carnival kasya rin and pwede mo naman isecure ng ayos yun sa ilalim, at pwede mo pa idownfire, tulad ulit ng akin haha. Im using pioneer premier 8" shallow sub, never tried an active underseat sub so hindi ko masabi if mas ok yung tulad ng akin porket may box sya na mas malaki.

Or why dont u try yung custom box talaga for 10inch subs? Yung hindi pinapatong lang, yung nakakabit na talaga sa car mo yung box haha.

[desmosedici]

if ayaw mo ng rear speakers, pwede mo gamitin yung 2 channel pa for an underseat sub. May shallow 8inch subs na kasya underseat, may box na yun. Ganun gamit ko sa navara, maybe sa carnival kasya rin and pwede mo naman isecure ng ayos yun sa ilalim, at pwede mo pa idownfire, tulad ulit ng akin haha. Im using pioneer premier 8" shallow sub, never tried an active underseat sub so hindi ko masabi if mas ok yung tulad ng akin porket may box sya na mas malaki.

Or why dont u try yung custom box talaga for 10inch subs? Yung hindi pinapatong lang, yung nakakabit na talaga sa car mo yung box haha.

Thanks for pointing out the existence of these shallow passive subs. Prior that I thought all under seat subs were active. Will consider this especially since ang box requirement niya is only 0.15 to .5 sqf.

Question lang po, ano advantage ng passive sub like the one you have in your Navarra to something like this:

Pioneer TSW-X12A Powered Subwoofer | Mickey's Autosound

Mas effective or madali ba ang tuning if one were using a passive sub?

[Sleepcare]

Targa pa rin ba bang for the buck? Recently inquired, parang less than 2k lang yung 6 or 6.5in separates nila. Had the X652Cs before, and wala naman akong audiophile ears pero they are good enough. Planning to upgrade another vehicle eh.

Ano pa ba ibang brands and models available at around 3 to 5k?

Pioneer seps. Very good yung nabili ko na entry level seps. A1605C model.

I think from Targa is still ok pero you may "go up" na unti-unti.

[Sleepcare]

Thanks for the advise. Will consider the 4-channel amp / 4 speaker setup. I'm sure the tuning guys will prefer not to use the rear speakers though. Mahirap yata i-tune?

Hindi naman sa mahirap i-tune.. If you upgraded to 4 speaker/4 channel set-up, masisira na imaging since i'm sure you'll be getting a coax speakers. Yan ang sasabihin ng tuning guys. For me kasi I also like to have "better" sounds for the rear for my passengers since this is a van and they will be more than happy na maganda din yung sounds na naririnig nila.

If i was using other types of vehicle, i'll be ok sa 2 channel+active subs.

[Sleepcare]

Thanks for pointing out the existence of these shallow passive subs. Prior that I thought all under seat subs were active. Will consider this especially since ang box requirement niya is only 0.15 to .5 sqf.

Question lang po, ano advantage ng passive sub like the one you have in your Navarra to something like this:

Pioneer TSW-X12A Powered Subwoofer | Mickey's Autosound

Mas effective or madali ba ang tuning if one were using a passive sub?

If i may chime in, easier to tune ang passive sub than active sub. Since active sub still has "limitations" compared to passive.

For me also, mas fuller ang sound produced by passive..

[desmosedici]

If i may chime in, easier to tune ang passive sub than active sub. Since active sub still has "limitations" compared to passive.

For me also, mas fuller ang sound produced by passive..

Thanks Sleepcare! The good thing is I'm spoiled for choices. Lets see what happens with this install.

[Sleepcare]

Thanks Sleepcare! The good thing is I'm spoiled for choices. Lets see what happens with this install.

Please update us with the install. Will look forward for it. Since i'm in the market for Carnival/Odyssey and thinking of audio set-up for it before purchasing.

[jhnkvn]

Pa advise lang guys: Will go to Mickey's this Saturday to swap the stock stereo on my 2016 Kia Carnival with these:

1. New 2-DIN HU (maybe the Pioneer AVH X8850BT because of Car Play)
2. New 2 way separates (thinking of the Focal P165FX)
3. An under-seat active sub

That is the plan as discussed with Mickey but then I found this hardly-used Steg 120.2 Q-mos amp at home from a failed installation about 12 years ago (that's another story). Now I'm wondering if it will do any good to use this amp for the Carnival setup or just save it for another car another day. What do you guys think? Should I use the Steg to power the fronts? Diba overkill ang 120-wpc RMS?

Note: I'm not open to the idea of a passive subwoofer (heavy and lethal in case of a collision) which is why I'll settle for a small active sub. Thanks in advance.

Use the STEG to power the fronts. Just remember to have the amplifier checked before installation (Mickey does it for free). No such thing as too much power according to Clarkson nag diba.

Targa pa rin ba bang for the buck? Recently inquired, parang less than 2k lang yung 6 or 6.5in separates nila. Had the X652Cs before, and wala naman akong audiophile ears pero they are good enough. Planning to upgrade another vehicle eh.

Ano pa ba ibang brands and models available at around 3 to 5k?

Firland Audio and Ryan Audio comes into mind. Still, why not just stick with Targa. They're OEM suppliers of those Sony/JVC/Pioneer component systems you see in SM you know. Just remember to shy away from raw drivers (you'll notice when they dont have much rubber surrounds) and bullet tweets -- those are LnC gears and in-car listening greatly suffers due to their dispersion characteristics.

If i may chime in, easier to tune ang passive sub than active sub. Since active sub still has "limitations" compared to passive.

For me also, mas fuller ang sound produced by passive..

If I would chime in my opinion: same lang sila. Just different ways on how to power a subwoofer. The nice thing about actives is that it already has a power supply built into the casing as well as crossover controls (all in one kung baga) while the passives needs them separately. If you want to be flexible, go for the passive since it's usually the expensive "active subs" that has extensive crossover and tuning functions. For example, you don't really see phase controls on cheap ones.

But don't underestimate powered subs. Home audio has them aplenty. Pretty sure those Php300,000/pc JL Fantoms aren't active for show.

[desmosedici]

Thanks for that jhnkvn. Point taken on the passive vs. active subs issue. Will let you guys know how it goes.

[Lzarellano]

Thanks for pointing out the existence of these shallow passive subs. Prior that I thought all under seat subs were active. Will consider this especially since ang box requirement niya is only 0.15 to .5 sqf.

Question lang po, ano advantage ng passive sub like the one you have in your Navarra to something like this:

Pioneer TSW-X12A Powered Subwoofer | Mickey's Autosound

Mas effective or madali ba ang tuning if one were using a passive sub?

well sabi nga ni sleepcare and jhnkvn, mas magiging flexible raw sa pag tune ang passive for a cheaper price. And same lang naman daw sila ng output. Bigay lang kasi tong sub na to, my friend bought this 9 yrs ago for 6.7k, tas 2.5k for the box. Sa mickeys nya to binili. May mas mura pa atang version yung pioneer na shallow, yung hindi premier ata hehe di ko sure how much.

[ParticleX]

are Flashbands and alternatives effective in deadening the doors? i sound like a cheapskate as i am one

any ideas on how much does it cost? also baka may iba pang "generic" siya na pangalan that would help when asking the salesman at the hardware shop

[desmosedici]

So Mickey's team installed the following on the Carnival:

Pioneer AVH-8850BT
Focal ES165K2
Steg 120.2 Q-mos amp
Focal BP20 powered sub (so much for an under seat sub, the presence of under seat rear A/C vents deterred this plan)

Happy with the fact that no stock wire was spliced, that the reverse cam and steering controls all worked afterwards (tricky that last one), and that the install was so neat - except for the Focal Bomba sub box in the back, everything looked stock.

The SQ? I think the lively characteristic of Focals is perfect for a car environment. Details rise above the road noise. I love the highs actually - pinpoint and sparkly. Mickey tuned the setup and tonal balance and time alignment is perfect at the driver's seat.

A bit over-budget but I'm happy to pay for quality stuff, work and results. Thanks to all the tsikot forum advisers.

[EQAddict]

So Mickey's team installed the following on the Carnival:

Pioneer AVH-8850BT
Focal ES165K2
Steg 120.2 Q-mos amp
Focal BP20 powered sub (so much for an under seat sub, the presence of under seat rear A/C vents deterred this plan)

Happy with the fact that no stock wire was spliced, that the reverse cam and steering controls all worked afterwards (tricky that last one), and that the install was so neat - except for the Focal Bomba sub box in the back, everything looked stock.

The SQ? I think the lively characteristic of Focals is perfect for a car environment. Details rise above the road noise. I love the highs actually - pinpoint and sparkly. Mickey tuned the setup and tonal balance and time alignment is perfect at the driver's seat.

A bit over-budget but I'm happy to pay for quality stuff, work and results. Thanks to all the tsikot forum advisers.

Congratz. Yes Mickey's is my go to guy. He also did the sounds in my Kia Carnival. But i didnt opt for subs....

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[dreamur]

*EQ, where is Mickey's shop? I found out that the sub on the jimny is busted.


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