audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[zenervox]

*zenervox

Di mo kilangan rear speakers just focus and replace your front speakers then fade the music towards the front.[/quote]



salamat sa relpy

ano po ibig nyo sabihing i fade?sensya na di ako familiar sa mga terms sa audio.

nakabili na ako ng pioneer deh-3250 at seperates. kaya lang medyo may naririnig akong basag na tunog sa likod pag malakas ang volume. pwede ko ba hindi na alng paganahin ang rear speaker?

[dalandan27]

beginner here mga sir..
balak ko lang paltang ung mga stocks sounds ko, at ndi ko alam san magsisimula.. recently bought a honda civic sir-99 model.. at ang tangi ko pa lang nababago e ung head unit, na 2250ubg pioneer,

ang balak ko kasi bumili ng rear speaker na pioneer 6x9 400w na 3way.
step by step lng sna pag uupgrades ko kasi student p lang ako..
questions po:
pag bumili b ako ng rear speaker eh nid ko pa ba ng amps para mkaya ung speaker n un??
ano ang sunod sa rear speakers?? kasi mei nakita ako na twitter na ryan audio dun sa mei dashboard ko at gumagana pnmn xa.. at im not familiar s mga terms dito n mga seps o kung ano ano p man..

salamat po sa mkakapag reply!

[akosijhay]

[quote=jhnkvn;1630972]*akosijhay

Suporta ako kay renzo dito. You're placing too much emphasis on the NEED for a subwoofer.

Basically, plano mo is to retain stock speakers of the Jazz, retain the stock HU and just buy an amp and sub. It's an okay choice but you'll see bigger differences if you just replace your stock speakers.

Some choices available:
1. Retain stock HU, get a first hand kicker or a targa. Then you'll even have spare change.

2. Buy secondhand Pioneer HU, buy a secondhand Morel, Cadence, or MB Quartz. Sell the stock front speakers to add cash for the upcoming amplifier.

Konting so-so ako sa second-hand subwoofer eh. Mabilis yun cone nila magdeteriorate over use eh. Kalbo na nga JL sub ko nasa bodega after 5 years of use. If needed, look for woofers with less than a year of use. 2 years kung discounted talaga :D

sir, gud day after ko mag search ng pagkahaba haba, nakahanap na din po ako ng sub and amp na sa tingin ko medyo kaya ng budget
ito sir sa tingin niyo kung tama ba ung bibilin ko po..

1.KICKER C12 12+[SIZE=2] V12 amplifier power punch NV805 + L ported + DMX gauge8 + installation = 8000



2. [/SIZE]JBLGT5-S12 SVC - P2300 + V12 amplifier power punch NV805 + L ported box + wires + installation cost = [SIZE=4]7,700[/SIZE]

sorry sir kung noob ako pag dating sa set up ng sounds.. plan ko po, next project nalang ung HU since bago pa naman ung current tsaka ayos lang kahit na di pa gaano kalakas ung bayo since stock ung HU...
gusto ko lang sir na may dating ung jazz kasi kadamihan ng friends ko inaasar na mama van daw jazz kaya para may dating plano ko na mag set up ng sounds...
thanks and god bless

[jhnkvn]

*zenervox

Fading means that the sound is focused on either the front or back. For standard stock sounds kasi, the sound balance is... ayun, balanced . However, once you get your sound system going, you'll eventually fade the sound in front so you get the soundstage of being in a live concert.

The analogy is like this: If you're listening to a live band, notice that the speakers are facing you at the front. No speakers at the back or sides.

You can opt to uninstall the rear speakers completely, pero optional lang. Kung may kasama ka sa likod paminsan, just retain it or else magrereklamo mga yun kung bakit wala sila sound tapos sa harap meron. Just configure your HU and look for the fader settings. Fade it at the front para yun emphasis nasa harap.

If sound begins to be muddy at high volumes, time na para sa amplifier.. haha..

*akosijhay

JBL and Kicker offer similar performance. But since you lean more on the bass, I'll go for the Kicker. Bang for the buck naman sila eh. They're loud, but their sound quality still needs improvement. Wala ako experience with JBL subs eh but I heard they're pretty good na rin.

*dalandan27

Remove the front speakers since most of the time ikaw rin naman nasa driver's seat. Placing rear speakers is typically a no-no unless meron ka driver dyan

There are just two types of speakers:
1. Co-axial - this is the speaker design that has the tweeter and woofer close-by. Pioneer 6x9 3ways goes here. Dati uso ito eh since it was easily manufactured. However.. you should stick to..

2. Separates. This is where the tweeters are separate from the woofer cone. Tweeters are then placed head-level (normally placed on the dashboard malapit sa A-pillar or you can place them on the A-pillar).

Separates are generally favorable now since they offer a better soundstage compared to coaxials (most apparent due to instrument separation)

The need for an amplifier is dictated on how much is the power rating of your HU (which is why most beginner setup starts with a good HU ).

P.S. Don't look at the max power ratings, look for the "normal" power ratings.

[dalandan27]

sir jhnkvn.
pa help po dun sa thread ko mismo hehe, at dun ko na iexplain talaga ang pag ka newbie ko, mei nakita kasi ako tweeter sa harap ko sa mei dashboard na ryan audio, which i think un ung sinasabi mong separates? tapos nung tiningnan ko din ung front speakers eh i think ndi n un stock. kasi sony ang tatak, eh ndi ko alam kung un din b ung separates?

ang tawag po ba dun sa 6x9 na nsa likod ng back seat e yun na ung coaxial? un po kasi balak ko bilhin. kasi sa bi sakin if ever na hindi pa ako bibili ng amp at sub ngayon eh un na lang daw muna at pwede ko naman gawin na bass un.. at ifade daw sa harap yung sounds

[dalandan27]

gud day sir, magtatanong lang ako kung pwedeng iconnect ang seps sa amp mismo? kasi pinahiram ako ng pinsan ko ng amp at subs, bale ang ginastos ko lang eh yung box na paglalagyan ng subs pati labor sa wiring kasi mei mga wires na.,
eto po ang subs: Sony Xplod 12-Inch 1200-Watt Subwoofer (XSL121P5)
at eto nmn po yung amp: MRV-F407 1000-Watt 4-Channel

ask ko lang sana kung bibili ako ng seps eh pwede ko bang ikonekta jan, or bibili pa dapat ng isa pang amp?? balak ko din kasi palitan po ang seps.. kung pwede man eh ano pong mga seps ang maganda? inaalok ako ng fidelity,mb quarts,morell and hindi ko na ma alala yung iba..
TIA!!

[KCboy]

what i usually do is i buy a 4 channel amplifier then i connectthe seps to the 2 lines, then the rear speakers i connect also to the other 2 lines, para lahat nagagamit ko....

[john5]

what i usually do is i buy a 4 channel amplifier then i connectthe seps to the 2 lines, then the rear speakers i connect also to the other 2 lines, para lahat nagagamit ko....

you're in the right path bro

[zenervox]

*jhnkvn sa head unit ba ito na sset? doon sa balance? maraming salamat last time na ginalaw ko yon isang side lang ng speaker ang natunog. baka may mali lang sa setting ko. salamat ulit

[Jaggy]

mga masters newbie here.

ask ko lang kung ok ba yng Pioneer DEH-4250SD na model ng HU? plan ko unti-untihin ang sound setup ko from stock. not necessarily na boom-boom siya as long as it has good sound quality, yong parang nakikinig ng stereo sa hauz lang na may kaunting bayo.

after HU, ipon ulit para sa separates tapos sa rear speakers then mono ampli + sub.

tama po ba ang magiging direction ko. salamat po ng marami sa feedback ninyo.

[jhnkvn]

*zenervox

Yes. Somewhere lang yun fader settings sa HU.. konting kalikot lang

I think the correct term is that "fade" refers to front and back while "balance" refers to left and right. Di lang sure

*Jaggy

Okay lang yan. Most of us aren't fussy with HUs since the power can easily be compensated by an amplifier. Since you plan on powering it just using the HU, make sure that the HUs can support the RMS power of the speakers. Aside from that, I might recommend:

1. Ditch the rear speakers. You won't be needing good sound at the back if you're in front. Fade output to the front. If you're ferrying passengers and you don't want them to complain, just stock speakers would do fine.

2. Rather than going for a monoblock immediately, go for a 4-ch amplifier first. That way you can have some headroom just in case you plan on upgrading your speakers.

[El batangueno]

Mga Gurus, Ask ko lang po kung anG ZULEX and TECKLINE brand na speaker and amplifier ok lang compare sa TARGA?

TIA

[diorel]

*zenervox

Yes. Somewhere lang yun fader settings sa HU.. konting kalikot lang

I think the correct term is that "fade" refers to front and back while "balance" refers to left and right. Di lang sure

*Jaggy

Okay lang yan. Most of us aren't fussy with HUs since the power can easily be compensated by an amplifier. Since you plan on powering it just using the HU, make sure that the HUs can support the RMS power of the speakers. Aside from that, I might recommend:

1. Ditch the rear speakers. You won't be needing good sound at the back if you're in front. Fade output to the front. If you're ferrying passengers and you don't want them to complain, just stock speakers would do fine.

2. Rather than going for a monoblock immediately, go for a 4-ch amplifier first. That way you can have some headroom just in case you plan on upgrading your speakers.

sir, am also planning to upgrade my sounds. but first am gonna still use my HU Alpine 7523 (25w x 4) to power it while ipon mode muna for a good HU and an amp.
plan to get seps for my front first. Ilan watts ang ideal to get considering my plan to get an amp in the future. I mean, kahit mag-amp ako in the future eh kakayanin pa rin ng front seps ko?
I'm opting for a budget meal like Targa x625c 150w. would that be enough even with an amp in the future. and kaya kaya i-drive ito ng stock HU ko?
Planning to scout 4 a 4ch amp para makakay din ako ng sub sa likod then just put a coax for the rear fill. OK na rin ba yung targa coax na 150 watts sa likod? or wag na ko maglagay ng rear speakers after may subwoofer na ko?

[jhnkvn]

*El batangueno

Never heard of the brands. I'll stick with Targas.

*diorel

Your HU shouldn't have any problem running your Targa. A general rule of mine is that the real "need" for amplifiers starts at speakers costing 4000php and more. The 150W must be its peak wattage. Just look for its nominal RMS wattage. Impossible 150W nominal yan.. ede parang UP6 yun power nyan.. haha..

Save your cash and don't put speakers at the back. If you insist, move your old stocks there. I cannot stress the waste of money on spending cash on rear speakers if you spend 99% of your time at the front. It's like buying decent computer speakers and positioning them at the back rather than the front. It's an unneeded expense.

Since on a budget ka, I can probably guess na Targa din sub mo then V12 yun amp Classic budget car setup.

[danding]

malaki ba ang pagkakaiba ng output ng quality ng sound kung gagamit ng amplifier kesa sa wala kung normal lang yung volume? kasi SQ lang ang habol ko at hindi palakasan. gusto ko sana malaman para hindi sayang na bibili pa ako ng amplifier. thanks mga sir.

btw sa seps po pala ang tinutukoy ko kung mas maganda lagyan ng amps o hindi. hindi kalakasan o normal lang ang volume. sa tingin nyo kaya na rin maski wala amps?

[robot.sonic]

^ noticeable yung difference ng seps na amp powered sa HU powered. Mahina kasi yung wattage ng HU. Kung lalakasan mo volume, tataas din ang distortion.

Pero try mo muna na HU powered lang. Kung masaya ka naman, kahit di ka na mag amp. Pero mabibitin ka sa bass. Yung bass kasi kailangan ng medyo mabigat na power.

[danding]

ah ok sir. meron na akong gamit na amplified subwoofer. yung nbn. so far satisfied naman ako. ok na para sa needs ko. hehehe.

ok naman yung performance kaya lang gusto ko lang malaman kung mas gaganda pa pag nalagyan ng amps yung seps. thanks.

[robot.sonic]

Para sa superduper low frequency yung subwoofer sir. Yung seps din meron ding not-so-very-low frequency (bass). Kailangan din nyan ng konting power. Kaya naglalagay ng amp yung mga tao.

Pero kung masaya ka na sa setup mo, CONGRATULATIONS!!!:drunk:

[danding]

*robot - ah ok, thanks sir. naliwanagan ako sa subwoofer at bass. so malamang mapapanis tong nbn ko sa near future at bili amplifier at subwoofer na tunay. hehehehe. para malagyan ko ng amps yung seps. salamat ulit.

[loydie tirador]

sir ROBOT.Sonic pwede pahingi din ng kopya ng car audio for dummies na ebook????
lester.desello*ltp.com.ph

many thanks po...