Detailing Thread [For Newbies][ARCHIVED]

[jonjon_u]

*chickselog: i got mine from Handyman and from TV rockwell. yup its the spray type, i think if its on sale its just 200 and as far as i remember its always on sale hehe, the good thing is if it doesn't work, you have a very effective interior stain remover and a chemical resistant spray bottle. most spray bottle that i buy from the supermarkets break down after sometime i guess its because its not chemical resistant. however my simple green and mr muscle spray bottles still work fantastic.

Here's a tip so your spray nozzles won't break down sooner.

Make it a habit to drain the fluid that's inside the spray nozzle after you use it.

Hope this helps.


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

[jonjon_u]

3rd week pa ata ng January dadating. Sakto pala pag bili ko sa autogeek free shipping pa sila nung time na umorder ako. Ngayon kasi may bayad na shipping. Yung 6 pack na LC pads nasa 44$ lang free shipping na din.

Great!

Looking forward to the details.


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

[Chikselog]

*chickselog: i got mine from Handyman and from TV rockwell. yup its the spray type, i think if its on sale its just 200 and as far as i remember its always on sale hehe, the good thing is if it doesn't work, you have a very effective interior stain remover and a chemical resistant spray bottle. most spray bottle that i buy from the supermarkets break down after sometime i guess its because its not chemical resistant. however my simple green and mr muscle spray bottles still work fantastic.

I see..Para ngang nakita ko na to sa Handyman..Hehe salamat muli ma'am madkatz

Eto po ba yun? Simple Green APC

i only use MC multipurpose cleaner + old toothbrush for this problem. then apply Armor-All protectant Gel. for the heavy watermarks sa wipers ng old car ko, Back to Black works well ren for me..


HTH somehow.

Sir ano po yung MC? Hindi po ba nagiging brittle yung plastic kapag nilagyan ng armorall gel?
Alright, I might try mom's back to black on the wiper arm..Thank you po sir badbadtz.carlo

Looks good!


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

Thank you sir jonjon

[Tincan]

*Tincan

Any advice kung pano yung tamang pag apply ng touch up paint? Di kasi smooth pag nag apply ako gamit yung nail polish brush medyo rough sya.

*madkatz


3rd week pa ata ng January dadating. Sakto pala pag bili ko sa autogeek free shipping pa sila nung time na umorder ako. Ngayon kasi may bayad na shipping. Yung 6 pack na LC pads nasa 44$ lang free shipping na din.

Kapag touch up dont use brushes. Ang the best na ginagamit namin sa talyer dati is ung matchbook. Posporo na karton un. That's the basic tool a painter needs in his tool box, back in the states sabi nila boss ko. Pero wala nun ata dito sa Pinas un. Ang gawin mo na lang mag cut ka na lng ng piece of carton ressembling a matchbook stick the best un. Dip mo lang sya sa paint ung dulo. Tapos maco2ntrol mo na. Smooth un labas nun as long as di nanginginig kamay mo.

[Tincan]

Addition sa pag de detail nio ng glass, for the water spots, use a razor blade by pressing firmly sa glass, sideways lang dapat ang talim. Kaskasin nio lang ganun po kme nag re rehabilitate ng waterspots sa shop. Wag po matakot di po magagasgas ang glass as long as sideways ang porma ng blade. Ganun po turo ng boss ko. Professional un amerikano sya.

[Tincan]

Looks good!


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

Sir nice job!. Suggest ko lang, ung scratches nio nman sa baba sa may plate makukuha pa po un ng 2000 grit wet sanding. then buffing kahit by hand lang. then hand wax.

[badbadtz.carlo]

I see..Para ngang nakita ko na to sa Handyman..Hehe salamat muli ma'am madkatz

Eto po ba yun? Simple Green APC

Sir ano po yung MC? Hindi po ba nagiging brittle yung plastic kapag nilagyan ng armorall gel?
Alright, I might try mom's back to black on the wiper arm..Thank you po sir badbadtz.carlo

Thank you sir jonjon

Chief, ganito cia, or another version na nasa bottle:

parang mabahong version ng wipe out..
pero for me, mas effective cia. gamit ko to palagi sa leatherette seat covers.

regarding, armor-all gel, haven't heard nor experienced that. kasi since ung luma kong tsikot upto ung ngaun, ito na gamit ko. 20 yrs old na ung lumang sentra ko, nde naman lumutong nagkaproblem sa trims nya.

* Tincan.. regarding sa nakasideways na blade, pede po ba yang gamiting technique sa mga wax grime sa sides ng salamin? ung problem ko is ung sa tabi ng mga black trims na nakakabit sa salamin.. nde ko sila matanggal e. ano po ba pede lagay na locally available na gamit dun?

or kelangan na bang dalhin na lang sa BB ung mga ganung cases.. thanks!

[Tincan]

* Tincan.. regarding sa nakasideways na blade, pede po ba yang gamiting technique sa mga wax grime sa sides ng salamin? ung problem ko is ung sa tabi ng mga black trims na nakakabit sa salamin.. nde ko sila matanggal e. ano po ba pede lagay na locally available na gamit dun?

or kelangan na bang dalhin na lang sa BB ung mga ganung cases.. thanks!

Ano po ung BB? regarding sa trims mo pwede nmn po lagyan mo ng masking tape muna bago iblade para d masugat kahit d mo na tanggalin. Basta po salamin na see through like windshield, quarter panels, etc. blade lang katapat nyan. Pero kung side mirrors, pwede rin pero delicate po yun eh alalay lng sa pag blade.

Mas maganda sir lagay ka ng picture para makita ko kse d ko masyado mavisualize what ure trying to tell me e.

[badbadtz.carlo]

paps, ung ganito po. ung mga nasa gilid gilid ng salamin na covered ng black rubber trims and weather strips. buong kotse ko daming ganyan..

about BB, sorry. i meant BigBerts po, professional detailers..

[Tincan]

paps, ung ganito po. ung mga nasa gilid gilid ng salamin na covered ng black rubber trims and weather strips. buong kotse ko daming ganyan..

about BB, sorry. i meant BigBerts po, professional detailers..

Yup kayang kaya ng blade yan. Ganyang ganyan sakit ng mga glass ang ginagwa namin. Takpan mo lng ung trims and strips ng masking tape. Kahit d mo na tanggalin yan. Then tirahin mo na ng blade. Sideways ha. pag dineretcho mo yan sugat ung glass. About sa BB madali lang naman gawin yan kahit DIY mo na lng.

[madkatz]

*chickselog: yup thats the one im referring to, be sure to check out the proper dilution ratio's. The MC cleaner carlo mentioned is actually also good, its also used in some detailing shops i've gone to, but as long as i can remove the problem with repeated mild APC i do this first, if its still there, i hit it again with a stronger concentration of APC, if its still there, thats the time i resort to these types of cleaners, we used to use these cleaners when we used to sell collectible porcelain dolls and its quite effective but i really don't like the way it dries up your hand.

*badbadtz.carlo: if its safe to use on leatherette is it also safe to assume its safe to use on the dashboards? im looking to remove some old 2x sided tape adhesive on my dashboard and im wondering if it would be safe to do so.

[madkatz]

Just want to share... its sad though...

I came to Canyon Woods all prepared with my mini detailing kit for these instances, it has mini spray bottles of glass cleaners, QD's, Protectant, Optimum No-rinse and APC, but i got a fever so i was too sick to remove these as soon as i saw them, i was so desperate to go back home and rest since my whole body was already trembling and i still had to drive all the way back to manila.

Pictures of my car with tree saps all over it:

Roof Shot



Hood Shot



After my fever got a little lower about 2 days after, i immediately went to BB to have my car washed, and these are close up pictures of the damages the tree sap has done





They're everywhere on my car and now im really depressed, even after 2 coats of KSG and 2 coats of 476 it still ate through, i asked BB, Moms and Megs and they all said that things would have gotten worse if i hadn't put on anything and that my car needs a 3 step already, and that even a 3 step might not be able to remove all of the stains since its black and its really gonna show.

Anyone knows a solution for this problem? I personnally know how to do a 3 step but im scared of removing a lot of clear coat since my car is less than 2 years old add to the fact that Innova's have a very thin layer of paint. Does anyone know a less invasive way of treating this problem other than a 3 step that includes compounding? I've never really dealt with this problem in all my detailing experiences so i don't know how far i have to go, and i would want to start correcting the paint without having a proper solution and knowledge of dealing with the problem.

[Chikselog]

Chief, ganito cia, or another version na nasa bottle:

parang mabahong version ng wipe out..
pero for me, mas effective cia. gamit ko to palagi sa leatherette seat covers.

regarding, armor-all gel, haven't heard nor experienced that. kasi since ung luma kong tsikot upto ung ngaun, ito na gamit ko. 20 yrs old na ung lumang sentra ko, nde naman lumutong nagkaproblem sa trims nya.

Ahh I see.. Eto pala yun, hehe.. Sir clarify po ulit, yung MC po para po siya sa black, plastic part nung sa ibaba ng wipers (post #3121 picture 5)? Natatanggal po ba yung mga namuting part na ng trim without leaving any of its residues?

Tapos po yung armorall protectant gel para dun din po?

Sir carlo salamat po! =)

Just want to share... its sad though...

I came to Canyon Woods all prepared with my mini detailing kit for these instances, it has mini spray bottles of glass cleaners, QD's, Protectant, Optimum No-rinse and APC, but i got a fever so i was too sick to remove these as soon as i saw them, i was so desperate to go back home and rest since my whole body was already trembling and i still had to drive all the way back to manila.

Pictures of my car with tree saps all over it:

Roof Shot



Hood Shot



After my fever got a little lower about 2 days after, i immediately went to BB to have my car washed, and these are close up pictures of the damages the tree sap has done





They're everywhere on my car and now im really depressed, even after 2 coats of KSG and 2 coats of 476 it still ate through, i asked BB, Moms and Megs and they all said that things would have gotten worse if i hadn't put on anything and that my car needs a 3 step already, and that even a 3 step might not be able to remove all of the stains since its black and its really gonna show.

Anyone knows a solution for this problem? I personnally know how to do a 3 step but im scared of removing a lot of clear coat since my car is less than 2 years old add to the fact that Innova's have a very thin layer of paint. Does anyone know a less invasive way of treating this problem other than a 3 step that includes compounding? I've never really dealt with this problem in all my detailing experiences so i don't know how far i have to go, and i would want to start correcting the paint without having a proper solution and knowledge of dealing with the problem.

I'm sorry to hear that story.. Grabe ang tree saps pala kumain ng clearcoat.. napa Whoa ako sa 3rd pic considering na 2 KSG at 2 476 na ang inapply niyo, it still ate through..

Anyway I found this through google and I hope this helps..
http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/739730.html

[madkatz]

*chickselog: yeah i too was shocked to know that tree saps could do that much damage, i really didn't expect them to do that much damage because in most forums they say that bird dropping are more dangerous than tree saps, and my 2 KSG and 2 476 help up against bird droppings quite fine, i mean i had an instance where i didn't notice bird droppings and left my car for the week end and when i came back i just wipped it off and no stains whatsoever thats why i thought ksg and 476 could hold up better against tree saps but i guess im so wrong. Thanks so much for the link, i'll be reading it in a while and maybe see whats the safest way to remove or at least hide them.

[madkatz]

sorry 2x post

[Chikselog]

BTW, nabiktima na rin pala ako ng tree saps na yan..Yan ba yung maliit na bilog na malagkit? Kung oo, nabiktima na rin po hood namin nun ma'am..As soon as I got home ginamitan ko agad ng QD and then wiped it off, ang hirap tanggalin! natakot nga ako eh ang akala ko di na matatanggal, buti natanggal din nung night na yun..

Nanggaling yun nung nagpark kami under a tree noong reunion namin..Buti hood part lang..And imagine, 4 hours lang nakapark yun meron na agad several tree saps and it took me quite some time to remove it, I used Mom's Showtime QD.. Yung inyo po siguro nag sit-in na kaya kumain na ng clearcoat..Yung sa amin kakadetail lang po eh.. Mom's step 2 & 3 lang..

[madkatz]

*chickselog: 4 hours as they say is actually a little long already, lets saps sit for 2 hours and it can start to do some damages already, i had mine on for a little more than 2 days sadly, i did have QD but i was sick, the real appearance is actually the 4th picture, i then did a spot Moms 3 step and the result was the 3rd picture, the white have gone but i think it has permanently etched through the paint.

[water]

Addition sa pag de detail nio ng glass, for the water spots, use a razor blade by pressing firmly sa glass, sideways lang dapat ang talim. Kaskasin nio lang ganun po kme nag re rehabilitate ng waterspots sa shop. Wag po matakot di po magagasgas ang glass as long as sideways ang porma ng blade. Ganun po turo ng boss ko. Professional un amerikano sya.

Hi interesting yan blade ah.

Ok lang ba para laging pa sideways kung gilette gagamtin ko?

[water]

*madkatz

Natry mo na humingi ng advice sa autopia? Kasi di ba ang klasse(synthetic sealant) tapos collinite (hybrid)

Baka maganda protection sa ipot pure carnauba wax? (hula ko lang kasi natural ang ipot so baka natural din maganda protection )

[jonjon_u]

*madkatz

I'm sorry to hear that.

Have you tried claying? Hopefully some of what you saw sat just on top of the paint.

However, if the sap left some "deep" and nasty etching on the clear coat, then you should resort to machine polishing just to "minimize" its appearance. Afterwards, the optional step of applying a glaze could also help.

And if your car is a daily driver, then it would help to be realistic as to what level of improvement could be done on the paint. In other words, there are some paint defects you just have to live with. Otherwise, you'll have to deal with the problem of clear coat failure sooner than you think.

With regard to the waxes or sealants, they indeed help in providing some protection from the elements. However, if we were to look at it from a different perspective, tree sap that could damage clear coat, could easily penetrate that micro-thin layer of wax or sealant. IMO, that micro-thin layer of protection could only do so much.

Here are some related links that may help:

Will every little scratch ever come out?

Acid Rain Etching...

Acid Rain Etching...


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/