*chickselog: yeah i too was shocked to know that tree saps could do that much damage, i really didn't expect them to do that much damage because in most forums they say that bird dropping are more dangerous than tree saps, and my 2 KSG and 2 476 help up against bird droppings quite fine, i mean i had an instance where i didn't notice bird droppings and left my car for the week end and when i came back i just wipped it off and no stains whatsoever thats why i thought ksg and 476 could hold up better against tree saps but i guess im so wrong. Thanks so much for the link, i'll be reading it in a while and maybe see whats the safest way to remove or at least hide them.