Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[Tigerbug]

[SIZE=3]Sad to say but we really don’t have much design option with this project.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]My opinions;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The following are out of design considerations:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1. Monocoque body structure.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2. Curved windshield – I’m not sure if someone could fabricate.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3. Van type.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=3]The following may the only design options that we could consider[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]to incorporate to the proposed project (existing or possible to fabricate)[/SIZE]

• [SIZE=3]2nd hand Chassis[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Boxy type body[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Front grills[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Bumper[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Engine, Lightings, etc. (existing - commercially available)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]With this limited options, for sure only one thing will come up, it’s either;[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]1. A jeep and its kind ie, land rover defender, G-wagen, Samurai etc.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]style/concept with a different face. (Maybe we could not even match[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]old[/SIZE][SIZE=3] vitara body shape profiles.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]2. Revo, adventure, crosswind type but boxy shaped = Tamaraw fx.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]If we come up with the above pattern then it’s not really that motivating[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]and it will only be labeled the same as backyard auv assembly.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]The trick is how can we design a prototype that at least 80% original?,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]never [/SIZE][SIZE=3]been seen before not copied and not existing concepts yet that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]would be [/SIZE][SIZE=3]appealing to pinoy/asian taste or maybe internationally.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]This is really a challenge [/SIZE][SIZE=3]for the tsikot designers.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Ot. By the way years ago there’s a company that sell wrangler body w/[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]chassis the body was claimed to be a machine pressed so it looks like[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]original, very sturdy too. I don’t know if this company still exist.[/SIZE]

[OyiL]

this one's for mike

3 differnet brands, and the only difference...the front grills

[donbuggy]

Drawing no. H-14 : Although this PHUV concept has flat sides and flat glass, simple curves (bent in one direction only) of the hood and roof and a rising window line makes it look less ultilitarian.

[OyiL]

Nice don!!

[wildthing]

I still like this early post of Oyil



The design is reasonable enough to be realistic. I could imagine getting a brandnew NHR truck head and modifying it to fit this body design.

Ichop-chop ko yung head ng NHR - use the original windshield, pilars and dashboard to come out with this design.

[Tigerbug]

I still like this early post of Oyil



The design is reasonable enough to be realistic. I could imagine getting a brandnew NHR truck head and modifying it to fit this body design.

Ichop-chop ko yung head ng NHR - use the original windshield, pilars and dashboard to come out with this design.

That’s a good idea bro. Wild, but it would be out of the budget (proposed 350k)
A brand new nhr will cost you 700k onwards plus transforming that into new
body then the cost may reach close to 1m. Why if we just use a rundown
Nhr just take the chassis, dashboard, windshield & engine if still usable o kahit
ano pwede ikahoy.

But, nhr/nkr layout is similar to van’s layout the engine is under the front
seats, so shifting the engine to the front would be more difficult you may
need new tranny, I’m not sure about this please educate me.

[OyiL]

The NPR windshield has a steep rake...
The chassis.... mataas yata.
relocate ang cab paatras syempre pati steering column.

you dont really have to buy a complete rundown unit. there are lots of brand new parts for that truck. lahat yata. yun nga lang, the load capacity of the axles ay mataas. bigat nun di naman natin kailangan. the leaf spring spring rates are also set for heavy loads...matagtag - malalaglag bituka mo pag nalubak.

[safeorigin]

:suka: nako pooooo! maybe we need a softer front leaf spring for the front and tougher leaf spring at the rear para di naman maxado makalog.

[drey]

Ive driven an Elf before... Kawawa talaga bituka ko! Dalawa lang kami at no loads in a rough road... Nako! Wish we had walked nalang... Grabe tag tag! Parang di naka springs... hehehe

[OyiL]

Ive driven an Elf before... Kawawa talaga bituka ko! Dalawa lang kami at no loads in a rough road... Nako! Wish we had walked nalang... Grabe tag tag! Parang di naka springs... hehehe

mainit ba yung naka-sit ka on top of the engine compartment? buti di naluto yung .......<> mo. kundi natagtag na na-hard boiled pa.

[drey]

mainit ba yung naka-sit ka on top of the engine compartment? buti di naluto yung .......<> mo. kundi natagtag na na-hard boiled pa.

hehehe... di naman... mga 30 mins drive lang kasi... Pero our 1989 L300 with 5 hours drive, I really felt it mainit pero bearable sya since malamig sa bukid!

[mike01]

eto ang pag basehan nyo

http://www.tatamotors.com/


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for sure, kahit na anong design ang gawin nyo at kahit makapag manufacture pa kayo nyan it will not click.. it will not sell..

why? kase may ugali ang mga pilipino na walang bilib sa gawang pinoy.. panigurado sisiraan lang yan at ikakahiya.. na yung tipong pag yan ang kotse mo e poor at wala kang class.. kita nyo ba na nagkalat ang mga china made motorcycles sa kalsada? pero pag gawang pinoy e kinakahiya..

ang mga pilipino mahilig sa IMPORTED. kahit na gawa pa sa timbuktu yan, basta IMPORTED at nasa kanan ang manibela bibilhin yan..

kaya dapat magbago muna ang ugali ng mga pilipino bago yan..kung ako investor i won't invest on a FILIPINO manufactured vehicle (na for export).. dahil ang mga pilipino mismo walang bilib sa sarili nilang gawa..

ang mga pinoy are the best consumers in the world, but the worst producers.. kaya walang asenso.. tayo ay lahi ng mga OFW, DH, etc.. ang magsilbi para sa ibang bansa..

[dprox]

eto ang pag basehan nyo
http://www.tatamotors.com/
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for sure, kahit na anong design ang gawin nyo at kahit makapag manufacture pa kayo nyan it will not click.. it will not sell..
why? kase may ugali ang mga pilipino na walang bilib sa gawang pinoy.. panigurado sisiraan lang yan at ikakahiya.. na yung tipong pag yan ang kotse mo e poor at wala kang class.. kita nyo ba na nagkalat ang mga china made motorcycles sa kalsada? pero pag gawang pinoy e kinakahiya..
ang mga pilipino mahilig sa IMPORTED. kahit na gawa pa sa timbuktu yan, basta IMPORTED at nasa kanan ang manibela bibilhin yan..
kaya dapat magbago muna ang ugali ng mga pilipino bago yan..kung ako investor i won't invest on a FILIPINO manufactured vehicle (na for export).. dahil ang mga pilipino mismo walang bilib sa sarili nilang gawa..
ang mga pinoy are the best consumers in the world, but the worst producers.. kaya walang asenso.. tayo ay lahi ng mga OFW, DH, etc.. ang magsilbi para sa ibang bansa..

Pareng mike01, easy ka lang. Bagamat may katotohanan yung sinasabi mo, medyo gasgas na yang palaisipan na iyan at walang-wala nang silbi sa thread na ito, kasi matagal na naming iniwan yan. Heto na nga kami't :rainbow: umaasa sa pagbabago, sisiraan mo pa ng loob. Kung ikaw mismo ay di magtitiwala, e di ikaw mismo ang problema, di ba?
Kung mataas masyado ang taste mo, di huwag mong bilhin yung Tsikot PhUV. Hindi naman ito para sa may-K na tulad mo. Ang target market nito ay ang mga nilalait mo.
Palibhasa wala ka pang isang buwan sa tsikot, kaya basahin mo muna ang kasaysayan ng thread na ito, para malaman mo na hindi tanga ang mga nagpopost dito. Kapapasok mo pa lang nambabato ka na, e. :aray:
Mag-homework ka muna kid, at kilalanin ang mga kaharap mong kapwa Pilipino, bago ka bumanat. Baka di mo lang napapansin ang sarili mong crab mentality. You could start a different thread na kontra-Pinoy.
Samantala: :nono: Ang thread na ito ay hindi para sa mga walang tiwala sa kapwa Pilipino!

[OyiL]

*everybody
mayaman siguro yang si mike. ano kaya source of income nyan? siguro di yan bumibili ng.....Lydia's Lechon - kasi local yun.

*mike01
mababa ba tingin mo sa OFW? kasi OFW ako e. or did i hurt your feelings?.....question lang.

[drey]

Correction: Even Americans are starting to hate Ford. They are losing trust on it. Now, if our target market is way too cheap for you. Why dont you buy and expensive Mercedes Benz E-Class or an S-Class. That way, you'll know Pinoy Jeepneys are more durable than your own vehicle.

You people brag about more comfort in our economic status. Cheap rice, cheap food, cheap clothing and cheap shelter. We all look forward to better living and thats why we are here.

We all have a pride for Jeepneys, tanong: Ano isasagot ng mga Pinoy sa mga kano kung tatanongin sila kung ano ang pinaka-popular vehicle sa Pinas? Would they selfishly share the info if they are not ashamed of it. You and I originate from riding a Jeepney.

Now, ikakahiya ba ng OFW and Karaoke like Magic Sing, Incubator, Water - Powered Car, Moon Buggy, Fluorescent Lamp, Videophone, Erythromycin, "Tubig Talino", Feminine Hygiene Product, Patis inventions. And the world loves Adobo!

*Oyil,

Siguro big time to... Hindi siguro politics ang source of income, di kasi makabayan eh... Siguro CEO ng kompanya. Ano kaya ride nito? Baka naka Bentley... hehehe...

[drey]

Eto pa mga tao na ikinakahiya ng mga Pinoy...
http://inventors.about.com/od/filipi...Scientists.htm

[OyiL]

e baka naman hindi pinoy yan. marunong lang managalog. siguro walang relatives na indio yan. di bale..lets just correct his misconceptions. I want to see what his next post will be like.

[drey]

tayo ay lahi ng mga OFW, DH, etc.. ang magsilbi para sa ibang bansa..

why are we talking about OFW's here? Do you blame them kaya walang asenso. IMHO, you cannot blame them, we live in a democratic "free" country where you should respect every decision they make. Hindi naman masama intention ng mga DH and OFW's ah. We've witnessed them rescue lives and children go to school.
In my opinion, they make better examples than politicians.

*Oyil,

Baka Indian sya... owner ng Tata and endorsing his vehicles ??? He should help the slums in India btw. I hope this thread will focus again to people who care. Hope mike will help endorsing Filipino made products.

[jedi]

Sir Mike,

bagsak at mababa na po ang loob ng karamihan ng mga pinoy na wala na tayong asenso sa buhay, wag na sana nating dagdagan pa. Marami pa ding taong hindi nawawalan ng pag-asa ... ako po mismo na isa sa may-ari at admin ng tsikot.com ay lubos na sumusuporta sa ganitong advocacy, dahil naniniwala ako na darating ang panahon na magkakaroon ng unti unting pagbabago. Ang pagkkaroon ng tsikot.com ay ang maliit na bagay na pwede namin maiambag para mapagsama sama ang mga taong may pareparehong vision at idea... kagay nitong PHuV...

Malamang magmumukhang walang CLASS or DATING and sasakyang ito sa mga taong sanay sa magagarang kotse pero hindi naman yun ang target market.

sa kalsada madami pa ding owner type jeep, mga cloned revo and tamara FX at iba pa... meaning marami pa ding taong naghahanap ng alternatibo at mas murang sasakyan.

Kung sakali mang lumabas na sa market ang PHuV na ito... Ako mismo ang unang unang BIBILI...

I respect your side sir mike, sana din mapagbigyan mo ang mga taong nandito at nagsishare ng ideas na kahit papano ay maappreciate natin.


world peace

eto ang pag basehan nyo

http://www.tatamotors.com/


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for sure, kahit na anong design ang gawin nyo at kahit makapag manufacture pa kayo nyan it will not click.. it will not sell..

why? kase may ugali ang mga pilipino na walang bilib sa gawang pinoy.. panigurado sisiraan lang yan at ikakahiya.. na yung tipong pag yan ang kotse mo e poor at wala kang class.. kita nyo ba na nagkalat ang mga china made motorcycles sa kalsada? pero pag gawang pinoy e kinakahiya..

ang mga pilipino mahilig sa IMPORTED. kahit na gawa pa sa timbuktu yan, basta IMPORTED at nasa kanan ang manibela bibilhin yan..

kaya dapat magbago muna ang ugali ng mga pilipino bago yan..kung ako investor i won't invest on a FILIPINO manufactured vehicle (na for export).. dahil ang mga pilipino mismo walang bilib sa sarili nilang gawa..

ang mga pinoy are the best consumers in the world, but the worst producers.. kaya walang asenso.. tayo ay lahi ng mga OFW, DH, etc.. ang magsilbi para sa ibang bansa..

[orly_andico]

Nissan to make $2500 car.
http://www.business-standard.com/com...&autono=283463

Of course Nissan is only reacting to Tata's initiative. It is interesting to read Ratan Tata's ideas on the matter; that such a priced vehicle would empower an entire class of people who are currently not mobile. I think this is the exact same goal of the contributors to this thread.

The fact that Nissan is getting into the act tells us two things:

1. Hein's comments aside, the "big boys" can build a cheap vehicle (the Civic has been moving upmarket ever since, it now has the wheelbase of a previous-generation Camry)

2. They can see a market for such a vehicle

the Suzuki Alto (made in India) is 350K. Brand-new. For many, many Filipinos that is a tipping point. Sure it can't carry 7 people and sure, it can't carry the coconuts to market. But it makes the PhUV's viability even more difficult.

I don't want to sound pessimistic.

But is it just me, or are the PhUV 3D renderings appearing on this thread basically jeepneys? ladder-frame construction, leaf spring front and back. Drum brakes, solid rear axle. It's a jeepney in everything but name.

So Hein is right after all. There is only so much you can do with that budget. And you indeed will get something slab-sided that looks like a Tamaraw FX. Nothing wrong with that, by the way.. I rode a Tamaraw FX from Paseo to Landmark today and it's comfortable enough and utilitarian enough.

I think everyone here is trapped by the idea that "we have to use surplus parts.. we have to use an Elf rolling chassis.." the net result is that we have a jeepney. Anfra and Francisco already tried that, and look where it got them.

So now I want to be completely off-tangent.

Put four hub motors on it (one per wheel). The Chinese make these in huge quantities for electric bikes. Put a generator and gasoline engine (a 10,000 peso Honda GX180 might work..) on it. And a golf cart battery for the times when you need lots of current e.g. off a traffic light.

This is a series hybrid, just like Ferdinand von Porsche's Elefant tank of World War II.

You can forget about a differential or propshaft. No transmission since motors have huge torque. Right there you have something disruptive. It allows you to throw the whole ladder frame rolling chassis constraint out the window.

I have no idea if this is practical though.