Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[jamesvhong]

Mods baka pwede po i-move yung ibang message from PHUV thead.

Mga peeps dito po tayo post plans for PHUV EB and Planning of the said Prototype.

thanks!

[jamesvhong]

Prototype Phase:

* Marketing people
* Consumer
* Designers (Engineers, Architects, ITs, Businessman, etc.)

Production Phase:

* Investors
* Manufacturing
* Suppliers
* Aftersales Support


add nyo nalang po kung ano pa kailangan for developing PHUV.

[architect]

Pox, OyiL, and I did a chat conference last night. Dprox was in and out due to connection problems. Basically the following were discussed:

1. Models

Proposal is to come up with two models that will share as many components as possible. The first is the proposed AUV that can seat around 7-8 passengers and can be configured as a jeepney, van, pick-up or AUV.

The second is a kei-type car, though the actual size has not been really discussed. Considerations are a 7-passenger type ala Avanza or a really small 2 seater commuter car.

2. Design Philosophy

The models will be modular and will use as much off-the-shelf components, either as plug-in compatible parts or with adapters. However because this will vary the local content composition depending on actual customization of a specific unit, there may be implications re defining it as a PhUV, for tax break purposes.

3. Legal Entity

An entity will have to be set-up to process IPR, accredit third parties; maintain and disseminate compliance standards (website should be fine); provide online list of available service center/dealers/parts; and develop, deploy and maintain an online registry. Actual ownership has not been discussed but presumably, its charter will prevent any one party from owning more than 10% of outstanding stocks.

4. Royalties

No royalties will be charged (a la open source). This is to encourage existing third-party to support the platform. It will also afford smaller mom-and-pop operations to enter the market.

5. Third Party Manufacturers Accreditation

Manufacturers of the core vehicles will be accredited to ensure compliance re compatibility and quality. Conversely, a consortium can also be formed to build the core vehicles.

Third party manufacturers of the add-on or replacement parts will be accredited to ensure compatibility and quality standards.

6. Dealers/Service Centers Accreditation

Dealers/Service Centers will be accredited as well. Dealers are expected to register all transactions with the online database.

Service Centers are expected to upload all repair/maintenance transactions of all registered vehicles. All online registration transactions will be charged a nominal fee which the dealers/centers can pass on to the customers.

7. Online Database

The legal entity will manage the online database. Owners can register their vehicles to discourage theft. Registration is optional.

8. RFID/Zigbee Usage

The use of embedded RFID and/or Zigbee chips on the vehicle (and parts) can be used to automatically determine the rightful owner. Implementation details have not been discussed.

9. ECU/CAN Usage

Technical feasibility or economic viability not yet discussed.

10. LTO Accreditation

Presumably the vehicles will need LTO approval for registration purposes. We need to find out what the requirements are, if any.

11. Buyer Financing

Dealers may optionally offer institutional financing. Needs to be discussed further.

12. Insurance

The vehicles will need to qualify for insurance.

13. Government Incentives

There are several possible government incentives, including tax breaks.

14. Funding/Sponsorship

If we are able to formalize the project, complete with feasibility study, we should be able to get funding. Other ways of generating funding is to get prepaid buyers (kind of purchasing a condo unit that is still being built) or to get corporate sponsors.

This presumes of course that we can assemble a qualified team with sufficient credentials to be credible.

15. Competition

We need to assess present and future competition.

16. Group Members

As often stated in the thread, we need to assemble a complete qualified team or a team with access to pertinent required expertise. We are still lacking core expertise, especially in automotive design and engineering.

17. Tentative EB

March 25, 2006 2pm Figaro Santa Rosa


It goes without saying the above is extremely fluid. We may have even missed out a thing or two. At any rate hopefully at the EB we can complete the requirements and determine just how far we want to take the project – up to the prototype or all the way.

Admittedly, it is a long shot. But that is what makes the project even more challenging. Besides, even if we manage to build just a prototype, wouldn’t that be something already?

[OyiL]

*architect

about the models, parallel dev ba? if not, which one first.

[architect]

I would defer the project development schedule to the core group when it is finally formed although this shouldn't stop you from designing either one right now.

[Pox]

i just had a chat sa friend kong taga DENR, mandatory na daw na i-convert mga diesel engines para gumamit ng biofuels at di pure diesel.

since ang initial na ideas ay gumamit ng diesel engines, affordable ba ung conversions?

[andywesteast]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

[uls]

no investors, no PHUV

[marg]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

Akala ko the Tsikot PHUV will teach how the local industry how to make a car. May RFID pa daw ilalagay. Plus hi-tech body design pa daw.

Ningas Cogon lang pala. Since Page 1 hanggang Page 86 na tayo wala pa din.

Pa-Meeting meeting pa. All Talk.

[uls]

it's unsellable

either it's ugly or too expensive

probably both

if you build something ugly, you better price it really, really cheap

at least people will think of even considering it

they can't price it cheap coz the cost of production is so high

they can only price it high to recover the cost and make some profit

which they fail to do coz nobody's buying... not even at cost

which leaves them with the choice of selling at a loss

which defeats the purpose of going into business in the first place

now you know why the smart money imports finished goods (think cars from China)

[marg]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

Puro HANGIN lang.

[Helios]

Puro HANGIN lang.

indeed. "hangin" lang as in "hang-in-there" or hang-on

might need a pinch of salt with any of these;

if one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again.
-flavia weedn

pain is inevitable. suffering is optional.
-m. kathleen casey

we must embrace pain and burn it as fuel for our journey.
kenji miyazawa

if you're going through hell, keep going.
-winston churchill

he who has a why to live can bear almost any how.
-friedrich nietzsche

i have heard there are troubles of more than one kind.
some come from ahead and some come from behind.
but I've bought a big bat. i'm all ready you see.
now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!
-dr. seuss


funny: you guys put so much effort and time giving them poor phuv team a telling off as if these guys would easily yield. history has shown you can't ignore these "few good men" so i reckon you join them instead (no matter how long the proj takes). fingers cross...

[ehnriko]

Hello Everyone!

I wonder if I can join you in this forum. I am particularly interested in your topic... How far has the program or project gone since it started?

Is there any concept drawings already? If it is set to be launched 1st quarter this year, was it already launched?

Prototype Construction - anyone started it yet? Is this an open field where any entity can be a player? or is it limited only for the Philippine Auto Parts and Assemblers Manufacturers Association?

Is Dino Juan, Raymund Tomawan and Jojo Almazora involved here? Who is spearheading?

Please enlighten me. All help and accomodation to me will be much appreciated.

More Power!

P.S.

Lio, I have copied and pasted some vital information already from your threads.. but I could still use more official ones.

[OyiL]

WELCOME henrico!!

The forums, including this particular thread, is open to everybody willing to help in this project. Siyanga pala, it seems you got mixed-up. This project just started.....uh....last night. We don't have anything. Puro ideas pa lang. The official PhUV is the one that's coming out soon - 1st quarter 2007, like what the news mentioned. FMC, Dreamco, MVPMAP and its members are keeping their project top secret. Probably strategy nila yung additional "gulat" factor para malakas ang dating sa news - free publicity.

I dont know who those people you mentioned are, pero if they can and want to help...they too can join the project. OK ba yun? architect?

You mentioned in your email that you are an automotive designer. with your skills we can really move forward.

harinawa.

once again..WELCOME.

[architect]

Whoa - ehnriko is a automotive designer? He SHOULD join.

Actually as we discussed last night, anyone is welcomed. Of course, if they are not tsikot members, by default, they need to register. Otherwise they won't be able to post and contribute.

[OyiL]

I was thinking about the modularity feature thing and the nokia interchangeable covers and off-the-shelf parts. It seems that only the side panels and rear half of the roof ang magiging permanente sa design natin OK na.

[architect]

If we are going to support a pick-up configuration, even the rear half of the roof will have to be modular. Incidentally, for a pick-up, the bed should ideally accommodate the standard 4 x 8 plywood, hardiflex boards. I am not sure though what the repercussions will be re manufacturing costs, etc.

[Syuryuken]

I was thinking about the modularity feature thing and the nokia interchangeable covers and off-the-shelf parts. It seems that only the side panels and rear half of the roof ang magiging permanente sa design natin OK na.

Ganda tong design mo kaya lang 5 seater lang. Pwede mo bang i-extend ng konti yung puwitan para maging 7-8 seater?

[ISPRIKITIK]

Magandang araw po! Im a new member of tsikot.com and found this thread which interest me. Otherwise, I will share and post my phUV concept here soonest.

Salamat Po!

[OyiL]

Magandang araw po! Im a new member of tsikot.com and found this thread which interest me. Otherwise, I will share and post my phUV concept here soonest.

Salamat Po!

welcome!
eagerly awaiting to see your concept sketches