Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[mike01]

can you guys design a modular car?


a car that starts out as a small single cab pickup (like that of norkis legacy)..

then modules can be added easily like screwing in another cab or replacing the single cab with dual cab..

adding a campershell and adding another row of seat at the back and so on, with another cab cover..

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this is how a car should be.

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that way nothing is wasted.. everyone can always afford to buy the basic single cab pickup then just add more modules when needed..

[mike01]

[architect]

We briefly discussed the Sparrow in this thread - http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36533.

The tsikot group's approach is actually modular - a base model that can be configured either as a jeepney, AUV, van, or pick-up. Designing and producing a separate three-wheeler is also a consideration.

[rmb]

im a frustated car designer,sana naman ay umalis na tayo sa paggawa ng ng mga box type na sasakyan na parang mga backyard produce,lets make a real car that we can be proud of.

[dprox]

can you guys design a modular car?
a car that starts out as a small single cab pickup (like that of norkis legacy)..
then modules can be added easily like screwing in another cab or replacing the single cab with dual cab..
adding a campershell and adding another row of seat at the back and so on, with another cab cover..
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this is how a car should be.
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that way nothing is wasted.. everyone can always afford to buy the basic single cab pickup then just add more modules when needed..

You hit it right on the pecker, mike01! That is how the team is approaching the Tsikot PhUV. The images that have been posted here so far are just "warm-up" exercises. There's no telling how it will really look like, but you bet your >W< there's one busy team working in the Tsikot PhUV Design Studio.

[dprox]

im a frustated car designer, sana naman ay umalis na tayo sa paggawa ng ng mga box type na sasakyan na parang mga backyard produce,lets make a real car that we can be proud of.

Is there anything we can do to help you out of your design "frustration"? Maybe you can visit
"Automotive Design & Research" -- now a dedicated forum in Tsikot. Drop by regularly. There's a roundtable of tsikoteers who are passionate about design and are willing to answer questions and exchange ideas. And don't be intimidated. We are all non-pro aficionados who are slowly overcoming our own car design frustrations.
See you there

[mike01]

there is already something like this actually.. norkis has made good designs and fabrications by making simple small cars who's external are purely their own design..

the only problem with norkis is their Quality Assurance.. they need to put more into this..wag naman yung pinag dikit dikit lang ng epoxy yung mga pyesa (as what one buyer mentioned)..

what the philippines need is not a design of the exterior or the chassis but our own proudly philippine made ENGINE..

parang sarao din kalalabasan nito.. you can't export a car whose engine is not our own..

[OyiL]

there is already something like this actually.. norkis has made good designs and fabrications by making simple small cars who's external are purely their own design..

the only problem with norkis is their Quality Assurance.. they need to put more into this..wag naman yung pinag dikit dikit lang ng epoxy yung mga pyesa (as what one buyer mentioned)..

what the philippines need is not a design of the exterior or the chassis but our own proudly philippine made ENGINE..

parang sarao din kalalabasan nito.. you can't export a car whose engine is not our own..

Mike, just want to let you know....Renault and Saab uses ISUZU diesel engines on some of their cars.http://www.isuzu.co.jp/world/technol...oject2/05.html
a honda civic diesel will also use an isuzu engine

GM uses ISUZU diesel engines on their full-size pick-ups the silverado and sierrahttp://www.businessweek.com/magazine...5/b3807156.htm

Big boys yang mga yan...if we do the same...big boy na rin ba tayo? whaddya think?

at saka, pano ba yan... merong nag-export ng jeepney sa papua new guinea.....magagalit ka ba?

[niky]

there is already something like this actually.. norkis has made good designs and fabrications by making simple small cars who's external are purely their own design..

the only problem with norkis is their Quality Assurance.. they need to put more into this..wag naman yung pinag dikit dikit lang ng epoxy yung mga pyesa (as what one buyer mentioned)..

what the philippines need is not a design of the exterior or the chassis but our own proudly philippine made ENGINE..

parang sarao din kalalabasan nito.. you can't export a car whose engine is not our own..

I'd like to correct this.

Norkis's cars are not "purely their own design". The Privacy and Legacy are rebadged Daihatsu Miras. The only change they had to make was to scoop out the rear end of the Mira to make the Legacy pick-up.

The M, on the other hand, is a Micra. No body work done.

It's perfectly acceptable for small manufacturers to buy engines from more established ones. That's how Hyundai and Kia got started. That's how Proton got started.

It's only small manufacturers who sell high priced (very high priced, I might add) motor vehicles to the rich who have the money to build their own engines (say, Ferrari and Porsche)... but even the niche manufacturers of exotics resort to buying engines from BMW, Audi and Mercedes. (Wiesmann & Mclaren, Spyker & Gumpert, Pagani)

The idea with the PhUV is not to reinvent the wheel, but rather to make a commercially competitive vehicle with off-the-shelf parts which can sell for a very good price.

Heck, there are lots of backyard engineers who can build their own engine. But can they make it commercially competitive and emissions compliant on a budget as small as we're looking at? No.

[OyiL]

[varga]

yeah, more contributions nga dapat, kahit pangit, kahit katawa-tawa muna. We all have to start somewhere. If someone submits a sketch or rendition of a PhUV, suggest improvements until we get it right, di ba.
(Malay natin who will get it right. Even engineers don't always get it right.)

And, yes it would seem a pity if the PhUV would look like those towering vans from Europe, as these are meant for delivering goods. Nobody will buy it, kasi Pinoys are very class & image-conscious. Hindi desperado ang Pinoy; gusto niya pag may pera siya, gastosin ito ng maayos. Bakit siya bibili ng 350k na sasakyan kung mukha naman siyang kawawa at katawatawa. He/she would surely go to the next pricier vehicle, basta alam niyang maganda ang resale value nito, o mas tatagal ito, o mas matipid. We have to face the fact na mahirap mapabilib ang Pinoy sa sarili niyang gawa at produkto. Hindi pa ngayon. Unless, we do this one right.

[OyiL]

[varga]

here are some current examples of AUV-like concept car designs in the offing:

chevrolet groove (black) concept
toyota F3R (white) concept
nissan rogue (brown) bevel concept

i guess even foreign car brands are seeing the potential in this market segment.

just that what the Filipino vehicle should NOT be is a good copy of a foreign brand. just like the chinese, they have forayed into concept design territory without losing that uniquely chinese character in each design.

[varga]

here are some current examples of AUV-like concept car designs in the offing:

chevrolet groove (black) concept
toyota F3R (white) concept
nissan rogue (brown) bevel concept

i guess even foreign car brands are seeing the potential in this market segment.

just that what the Filipino vehicle should NOT be is a good copy of a foreign brand. just like the chinese, they have forayed into concept design territory without losing that uniquely chinese character in each design.

[varga]

here are some more concept cars:

mitsubishi D:5
exterior & interior
toyota F3R
ext. w/ interior
nissan rogue bevel
ext. w/ interior

[OyiL]

*varga
what you did is exactly what we want....valuable INPUTS, lots of 'em. Thanks, sis. I hope everybody who stumble or actually follow this thread, voice out their wishes regarding the features of the tsikot PhUV. Discussions about what should and should not be in it is highly encouraged.

Tell your friends about this. Lets run it like American Idol. Lets build-up the fanbase right at the very beginning and the product will have more chances of actually making it when it gets released.

[safeorigin]

correct!

eh, ako kaya? ano kaya gagawin ko?

hmm... :dunno:

[varga]

thanks Oyil,

was just wondering when we could see some initial sketches of the Filipino car.

Your sis (in motoring),
Varga

[varga]

hi to all,

perhaps a "modular design" won't work to the car's advantage. i guess the filipino car for (let's say) 2009 or 2010 would need to marry a lot of foreign concepts with some down-home identity markers. a vehicle which transforms into too many variants won't make the Filipino car/vehicle strong by way of capturing a single niche market. Nissan had tried this early 90s or late 80s in the US for a certain model, and it failed to even make a dent. it was some kind of a sporty miata that transforms into a family van or pickup.

Filipinos may simply desire a Filipino-made vehicle with a strong world-class identity. The Innova is the nearest example of this. We know that the latter is no longer the Tamaraw of the 80s, but to us martial-law babies, we trace the ancestry of this vehicle's development to our very own strong ideals way back when we were dreaming of a Filipino car. Yes, The Innova belongs to a larger Southeast Asian market now (and maybe larger), but it carries in its genes the Filipino ideal for an AUV type of vehicle.

The Filipino car will definitely be used in most urban settings (anyways most provinces have transformed themselves into urbanite settings already). It's definitely a family car, not a luxury or sports car. It can't be a sedan as yet, because this needs to project some refinement and polish. This only means that Filipinos currently accept with some credibility foreign sedans & estates as functional & credible. (these are current realities, if the filipino car has to sell - and, of course, it has no choice but to sell.)

So yes, it will be an AUV type of vehicle. But I must say that it needs to set itself apart from one that Thailand, Malaysia or Korea would build. Or even Japan, as Honda has been studying the market lately.

For starters, why not explore redefining the interior. The jeepney redefined interior seating. It doesn't have to be confined to the western concept of seating 7. Maybe there will be some design that maximizes seating (as an option) without selling out on comfort and safety.

[niky]

I think that was the EXA... wasn't a very good car, anyway.

But there's a point there. Stick to what we know, and we get lost in a sea of AUVs and AUV wannabes that are flooding into this market from China. Make something that'll stick out, and we've got a winner.