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April 25th, 2007 12:13 AM #303
oyil,kelan b launching ng PhUV ntin.naiinip n ko,sana ito n ung flag carrier ntin n ipagmamalaki s boung mundo.
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April 25th, 2007 12:30 AM #304
I think the above comment belongs to another thread.
What I wanted to point out was that the allocation for the power train might be so high it could impact on the rest of the skeleton. And yes, my drift is that we might be raising expectations higher than what can be delivered at 350K retail. Hence the need to consider simpler, more economical design & engineering solutions.
If you apply the 2X rule, talagang papatak sa 500K -- pero talong-talo na 'yan sa 2nd hand CBUs.So, what I thought we should do is to work downward from the target retail price of 350K, without applying conventional markups. No point detailing the math here.
Perhaps interested tsikoteers can do this as a practical exercise. The challenge is this: Given the target retail price of 350K - markups included - how would you apportion your production cost among the three major parts of the PhUV, namely: Rolling Chassis, Power Train, and Body (see attached diagram and fill in the blanks).
Hint: where are you willing to make sacrifices - smooth ride, horse power,style&comfort, or profit? Would a quality PhUV be feasible at all at 350K, without availing of surplus parts? What other creative ways can we lower costs without churning out lemons?
If you can deliver some answers, e di kasali ka na sa core group.
Hirap 'no? Pero alam ko mahahanapan natin ng paraan yan!
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April 25th, 2007 01:28 AM #305
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April 25th, 2007 10:55 AM #306
Is it possible to buy a set(5 pcs ea) of brand new wheels and tires at the price of second hand ones?
remember the 60% local content. 60% means - 60% of total vehicle production cost (no idea if that includes labor). 60% of 250K( itabi na natin yung 50K para sa overhead) -> 150K. Something wrong here...yung engine na brand new e 100K+ na.... maryosep...the other parts should be made of plywood na lang. Boat na lang kaya ang i-design natin. Tama yata yung mga amphibian cars na nasa powerpoint presentation ni dprox.
or what if we use second hand parts...yung tipong pwedeng palitan ng may-ari. like, wheels and tires. ganyan din naman ang wheels and tires ng mga SUVics diba. tapos sila na lang magdagdag ng side mirrors, or rear view mirrors. or third brake light. chicken wire na lang ang gamitin natin sa front grilles. pati seats, second hand na lang. i-upgrade na lang nila. optional na lang yung mga interior sidings. waddya think, people?
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April 25th, 2007 11:22 AM #307I am just curious. How did you arrive at the belief that we are 30 years behind as opposed to 20 or even 10? And do you mean just automotive technology or technology in general?
30 years ago there was no World Wide Web. Today local public high school students have Internet access, where just about all sorts of the latest technological information is available. Granted implementing them requires funding but truly worthy projects will never lack for investors or sponsors. (The PhUV project of the tsikot group has interested sponsors/investors from the US and the Middle East, not to mention local parties.)
As for local automotive technology specifically, are you aware one of the PhUV core group member holds a patent for a rotary engine? Another had his entire team recruited to the Middle East to build a truck prototype. If we are truly 30 years behind, do you think the rest of the world would bother to hire Filipinos for automotive work?
As for a modest-looking AUV, what is wrong with that? For as long as it truly embodies Filipino characteristics, both aesthetically and functionally, and is both affordable and reliable, there is no reason for us to be ashamed of the resultant PhUV. Having that mindset is akin to being ashamed of your son simply because he is not handsome, notwithstanding whatever positive characteristics he might possess.
That said, aesthetics is the function of the automotive designer, or designers in general. The low budget should not be a hindrance. Instead, it should serve as a challenge. Just as developing an affordable, functional, and reliable PhUV should serve as a challenge for those of us who do not subscribe to the defeatist mindset that sadly seems to be so pervasive these days.
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April 25th, 2007 11:38 AM #308
Pasensiya na. It was in response to an article or comment within the thread. Of course, though, fiberglass is a consideration for the PhUV also, but I don't think it's very economical when it comes to medium-to-mass scale production.
What I wanted to point out was that the allocation for the power train might be so high it could impact on the rest of the skeleton. And yes, my drift is that we might be raising expectations higher than what can be delivered at 350K retail. Hence the need to consider simpler, more economical design & engineering solutions.
If you apply the 2X rule, talagang papatak sa 500K -- pero talong-talo na 'yan sa 2nd hand CBUs.So, what I thought we should do is to work downward from the target retail price of 350K, without applying conventional markups. No point detailing the math here.
Perhaps interested tsikoteers can do this as a practical exercise. The challenge is this: Given the target retail price of 350K - markups included - how would you apportion your production cost among the three major parts of the PhUV, namely: Rolling Chassis, Power Train, and Body (see attached diagram and fill in the blanks).
Hint: where are you willing to make sacrifices - smooth ride, horse power,style&comfort, or profit? Would a quality PhUV be feasible at all at 350K, without availing of surplus parts? What other creative ways can we lower costs without churning out lemons?
If you can deliver some answers, e di kasali ka na sa core group.
Hirap 'no? Pero alam ko mahahanapan natin ng paraan yan!
I think powertrain would be the number one consideration. In this current Chinese invasion, I've seen Chinese manufacturers trump up the fact that they're delivering Japanese powerplants in some of their models. In fact, one pickup importer charges 100k extra for the model with the Isuzu engine.
AUV operators will forgive any sins of handling/ride/refinement, as long as they're getting a good engine. But that leaves very little room for anything else.
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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April 25th, 2007 11:40 AM #309
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April 25th, 2007 11:42 AM #310
what if we just import engine blocks and cylinder head and other engine hard parts tapos assemble na lang natin yung engine locally haluan natin ng ibang parts na ginagawa dito, like the gaskets. or baka may gumagawa na dito ng mga yan. makatipid pa tayo ng 10K.
have you tried spraying peppermint?
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