Suggestion, an idea to solve the MRT train problem and congest EDSA

[Wh1stl3r2]

I rode the MRT for a decade and saw it deteriorate from its serviceable state in the early/mid 2000s until its hellish condition today. The main reason why it's so inconvenient is because there are far less trains now and far more people riding the MRT.

Again my question is - instead of adding, say, 20 premium trains, why not add 20 regular trains so more people can ride? The maximum car capacity per station is 4 cars per train. So you have a constraint already in terms of carrying capacity.

While it's theoretically possible to find an equilibrium point in terms of pricing that will maximize revenues while keeping ridership of one car at a convenient level, it goes against the mandate of a government run service which is to address the needs of the underserved segments of society. The MRT was not made for the convenience of the upper middle class - its purpose is to transport the working class as quickly and as cost-effectively as possible.

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I agree it is mainly there for the working class, but having a premium cab could raise revenue and discourage more cars in EDSA. It's also another way of sourcing funds for subsidizing the regular passengers' fares.

[WallyWest]

Even if you have a premium cab to target (let's call it what it is) yung maaarte. Would they line up with the rest of the passengers? I don't see our train stations having enough space to accommodate a separate queue for those who want to go premium.

Why did advertisers stop placing ads in mrt stations and trains? Those backlit frames on the loading platforms used to carry ads. Some even placed (unsightly) decals on the trains. Sayang din ang revenue from those.

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[_Cathy_]

Even if you have a premium cab to target (let's call it what it is) yung maaarte. Would they line up with the rest of the passengers? I don't see our train stations having enough space to accommodate a separate queue for those who want to go premium.

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I'd call them people who are willing to pay for convenience It could turn out much cheaper for office workers to take the train to work, in Makati, it costs P200+ a day on parking alone. in BGC it can go as high as P300+ a day on parking.

I thought the same as suggested earlier, that there should be a separate turnstile for those in premium. It's too bad the premium carriage is far from happening

Is the MRT fare a flat rate? How much is it?

[cast_no_shadow]

Malabo yan!

Ang pinoy pa lahat gusto mauna, what I mean is if you can only imagine the platform during rush hour halos magkandapalit na ng mukha mga pasahero. Naka depende ang chance mo makasakay dun sa pwesto mo sa platform.

Now sisingitan mo ng premium trains for premium paying passengers?

Mahahawi mo ba mga tao?

Ang liit lang ng space ng stations naten.

About the fare, subjective yan. Yes for most of us here mura yan. Pero for some mabigat yan. Still nothing beats na mabilis na byahe compared sa sasakay ka at mabuburo sa bus along edsa.

Again get new trains and hire a reputable responsible maintenance provider.

Sa bidding nagkakandaloko eh.

May winning bidder, mag dedemanda yung natalo makakakuha ng TRO ayun deadball.

Parang yung kwento ng LRT 1 and MRT connector na hanggang ngayon pinagtatalunan ba kung sa SM north ba or sa Trinoma ilalagay.

Yung P2P bus service ayos yun! Mabilis pa byahe compared sa regular bus.

Tried already the megamall - sm north route. Sana lang damihan nila yung routes and units as well.


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[pau88]

bakit kaya hindi naisip nila marcos, cory ramos era na laparan ang edsa. hindi nila naisip na dadami ang tao sa metro. congested tuloy. solution lang talaga is to have a good maintenance and 2-3 mins waiting time sa platform. siguro kasama din yung disiplina ng motorist sa EDSA

[Stigg ma]

bakit kaya hindi naisip nila marcos, cory ramos era na laparan ang edsa. hindi nila naisip na dadami ang tao sa metro. congested tuloy. solution lang talaga is to have a good maintenance and 2-3 mins waiting time sa platform. siguro kasama din yung disiplina ng motorist sa EDSA

too early pa to foresee at maayos pa noon



kaya nga pinatayo yong MRT para ma sulusyunan ang traffic sa EDSA kase hindi na ma expand ang kalsada, pero nung pumasok na si DOTC Mar Roxas eh dyan tuluyan na sira ang MRT dahil sa unqualified maintenance provider contract

[Stigg ma]

yong idea ko pala eh may na una na Filipino inventor sa akin at adopted na siya in 136 cities, except Philippines... sorry mr. Yuseco Jr


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[dr. d]

put in more, faster trains. it's the only way to decrease the waiting hordes.
but more important, is to make sure the people charged with running the business, are good and honest.

and please! decide already: money-maker or subsidized? then go support the decision fully!

[dr. d]

too early pa to foresee at maayos pa noon



kaya nga pinatayo yong MRT para ma sulusyunan ang traffic sa EDSA kase hindi na ma expand ang kalsada, pero nung pumasok na si DOTC Mar Roxas eh dyan tuluyan na sira ang MRT dahil sa unqualified maintenance provider contract

edsa farmers in the 70s?
parang hindi shaw.. hindi ko ma-amoy yung ricoa.

[jut703]

kaya nga pinatayo yong MRT para ma sulusyunan ang traffic sa EDSA kase hindi na ma expand ang kalsada, pero nung pumasok na si DOTC Mar Roxas eh dyan tuluyan na sira ang MRT dahil sa unqualified maintenance provider contract

I have already clarified this point with you several times during the election season. The MRT is not entirely Mar's or the previous administration's fault.

The MRT already had an anomalous contract from the start (overpriced, 15% guaranteed returns annually until 2025). As early as 2009, audit findings showed that the MRT was being cannibalized for parts, gradually reducing the available trains for public use. Guess who the contractor was at the time - yep, Sumitomo.

Then Sumitomo's contract expired. But was renewed by MRTC several times at increasing rates each time. When Mar stepped in as DOTC in 2011, the objective was to get rid of Sumitomo and their crappy service, and get rid of greedy MRTC as well. He was only DOTC secretary for year, yet everything is suddenly blamed on him.

The emergency bidding for a new contractor was a valid emergency because you couldn't have downtime for the MRT - once you kick Sumitomo out, you should have someone in. APT-PHTrams (the winning contractor) wasn't unqualified since they've been maintaining the LRT for the longest time. However, it was still an anomalous awarding because PHTrams was found to be connected with MRT GM Vitangcol, for which he was rightfully sacked for it. Now the MRT has a new contractor selected through proper bidding - the Busan group. The new DOTC should just follow through with their job of ensuring that the new contractor is up for the task.

Then came the problem with the trains. Again, DOTC stepped in because MRTC wasn't buying trains. MRTC then filed a TRO so the trains that should've been here in 2013 only arrived last year and were only cleared for public use this year. The rest of the trains that have been ordered are set to arrive in staggered deliveries throughout 2016 and 2017. Again, it's for the new admin's DOTC to make sure that the trains are delivered as agreed, and it's on them to make sure that more trains are ordered to match the increasing ridership of the MRT.

Now if you want to dispute this, show me facts, not blanket statements with no details to back them up.


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[cast_no_shadow]

Wala kasalanan ni Noy at Mar yan!

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[vinj]

too early pa to foresee at maayos pa noon



kaya nga pinatayo yong MRT para ma sulusyunan ang traffic sa EDSA kase hindi na ma expand ang kalsada, pero nung pumasok na si DOTC Mar Roxas eh dyan tuluyan na sira ang MRT dahil sa unqualified maintenance provider contract

Well, foresight is really about seeing things way before the fact. Unfortunately us Pinoys don't have much of that in terms of planning.

Re. placing the blame solely on Roxas, that's getting old and long on the tooth and it seems that some people just cannot seem to let go. It was discussed lengthily and repeatedly before that the MRT service contract (penned during the Ramos Admin?) kept the government tied down and the PNoy Admin tried to negotiate and get out of it. The breakdowns were a result of the negligence of the MRT proponent and its maintenance contractor, which the government could not control.

edsa farmers in the 70s?
parang hindi shaw.. hindi ko ma-amoy yung ricoa.

Looks like EDSA - Cubao for me as well.

[jack_husain]

pero nung pumasok na si DOTC Mar Roxas eh dyan tuluyan na sira ang MRT dahil sa unqualified maintenance provider contract

TAMA.
BRILLIANT.
Why I did not think about it?

[ClaNker]

Tama kasalanan nga ni Mar yan.

Nabasa ko lang sa facebook.

[CVT]

Tama kasalanan nga ni Mar yan.

Nabasa ko lang sa facebook.

Hindi si Abaya o si Roxas,- si Vitangcol iyan!!!!...

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[vinj]

Tama kasalanan nga ni Mar yan.

Nabasa ko lang sa facebook.

May papadala kami sa yo na magandang sources din. Try mo sila Mocha Uson Blog, GRP, and their esteemed contemporaries.

One design flaw of our EDSA MRT is the at-grade level construction. That's two lanes less on EDSA. I rate that kind of design on the same level as the C5-Kalayaan U-turn flyovers.

[minicarph]

ang pinaka-solusyon sa MRT eh isara na lang yun ibang ststions. for example, all ststions between North edsa and cubao, isara. that will converge mrt riders to whichever is nearest

then next Shaw Edsa crossing, sara na lang sa megamall,

then after extra crossing, sa ayala na, sara na lang guadalupe, estrella

and then sa baclaran na, sara na lang eveything in between sa pasay

4 stops more efficient




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[yebo]

not cubao. shaw blvd-edsa underpass yan looking north. notice the montalban mountains in the background and the building with the telecom tower which is at ortigas.

see the building with the tower in this picture. center is galeria being built, poea building on the right, corinthian village on the left.


so in the picture with the underpass the tower is on the right side, meaning ortigas is further down. so that can only be no other than the shaw underpass.

[yebo]

One design flaw of our EDSA MRT is the at-grade level construction. That's two lanes less on EDSA. I rate that kind of design on the same level as the C5-Kalayaan U-turn flyovers.

blame that on the residents of the plush villages along edsa - corinthians, forbes, magallanes, urdaneta. they were the ones who opposed a fully elevated mrt because they reasoned that their privacy would be violated. sisilipan daw sila ng mga nakasakay sa mrt.