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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    kahit na hindi temperature controlled and aux fan.... a gasoline engine will still reach its operating temp
    ( no amount of fan can keep the engine cold)...
    the aux fan here will only aid in pushing cold air through the condenser so that the radiator can still dissipate heat and not lead to overheating... as what TS(board starter) experienced...

    as long as a thermostat is installed in a vehicle the "change in fuel economy of a car due to an added auxiliary fan will be miniscule"..
    As a rejoinder, in the case of diesel engines, you would want temps to spike a little running on load or acceleration gives better combustion

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    There are warm up cycles that engines have to go through. The longer the amount of time you spend warming up the more fuel you consume.

    On cold days and long idles (supposing you're in Baguio) you would need less thermal rejection to keep your engine running swimmingly.

    Also those fans can draw anything form 10A to 30A. Calculate the amount of power you use and that will translate to fuel consumption.

    Add the fact that the wear and tear of high draw electric motors will have on your battery.

    Costs will, however miniscule they can be -incrementally accrue.


    Costs will, however miniscule they can be -incrementally accrue





    if the engine is lower than the normal operating temperature, i.e; 180-240 degrees fahrenheit, the electronic controlled transmission will not go to overdrive and there is no lock up mode of the torque converter clutch, the engine operates in open loop (not optimum fuel economy) and the emissions are higher than normal, that is HC and CO emissions. the engine needs more fuel to operate than when it is at normal operating temperatures. the pistons do not expand to their designed size and may have more blowby gases.

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    #43
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    There are warm up cycles that engines have to go through. The longer the amount of time you spend warming up the more fuel you consume.

    On cold days and long idles (supposing you're in Baguio) you would need less thermal rejection to keep your engine running swimmingly.

    Also those fans can draw anything form 10A to 30A. Calculate the amount of power you use and that will translate to fuel consumption.

    Add the fact that the wear and tear of high draw electric motors will have on your battery.

    Costs will, however miniscule they can be -incrementally accrue.

    do i made a wrong move? making my aux fan automatic ON (both fan) upon key ignition?

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    #44
    If your engine is not running, and your fans are running, then there is obviously a waste of energy.

    If your engine doesn't need the cooling, yet your fans are on full, then you are wasting energy.

    As a consequence your battery life suffers as does your economy, however, incremental.

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    #45
    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    Costs will, however miniscule they can be -incrementally accrue


    if the engine is lower than the normal operating temperature, i.e; 180-240 degrees fahrenheit, the electronic controlled transmission will not go to overdrive and there is no lock up mode of the torque converter clutch, the engine operates in open loop (not optimum fuel economy) and the emissions are higher than normal, that is HC and CO emissions. the engine needs more fuel to operate than when it is at normal operating temperatures. the pistons do not expand to their designed size and may have more blowby gases.
    As he said.

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    #46
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    As he said.
    what would i tell to the electrician? ano po yung tama?

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    #47
    Quote Originally Posted by allier022407 View Post
    do i made a wrong move? making my aux fan automatic ON (both fan) upon key ignition?
    bro, ok lang setup mo...just enjoy your ride...

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    #48
    It should be as is, switched on by the thermostat.

    If your engine is hot, your fan would turn on as soon as you have your key position turned to ON anyway.

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    #49
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    As a rejoinder, in the case of diesel engines, you would want temps to spike a little running on load or acceleration gives better combustion
    TS vehicle is not a diesel

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    #50
    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    Costs will, however miniscule they can be -incrementally accrue





    if the engine is lower than the normal operating temperature, i.e; 180-240 degrees fahrenheit, the electronic controlled transmission will not go to overdrive and there is no lock up mode of the torque converter clutch, the engine operates in open loop (not optimum fuel economy) and the emissions are higher than normal, that is HC and CO emissions. the engine needs more fuel to operate than when it is at normal operating temperatures. the pistons do not expand to their designed size and may have more blowby gases.
    TS vehicle is not an electronic controlled transmission nor does it have overdrive....Nissan Sentra 95 Series 2 MT...

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    #51
    its off topic am sorry, i cant found any thread regarding this,. is camber alignment necessary to do regularly?if so, how often? what are the consequences when i didnt visit a shop to do camber alignment regularly?

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    #52
    Quote Originally Posted by allier022407 View Post
    its off topic am sorry, i cant found any thread regarding this,. is camber alignment necessary to do regularly?if so, how often? what are the consequences when i didnt visit a shop to do camber alignment regularly?
    O.T ka nga bro, hahaha. sa suspension boards toh (mods pa transfer na lang) thanks.. hahaha..
    pero i'll answer na din your question, pag ang vehicle sir ay naipa-camber alignment at perfect na ang wheel alignment specs, hindi na sir yan magbabago, unless
    1. change tire rods
    2. change in suspension height
    3. change on other suspension aspects and geometry...etc

    pero kapag nagsisimula ka pa lang( wala pa baseline) with a newly acquired vehicle(second hand) its better to have a complete wheel alignment para you are sure that the wheel and suspension are indeed aligned...
    ( wheel and suspension alignment ay malaki epekto sa wear and tear nang tires sir, plus safety)
    on another note, pag ang tires naman ang meh uneven wear when you got the vehicle, it will affect the steer movement of the vehicle, papaling din to one side.

    usually ang unang mapapansin pag hindi aligned, pumapaling sa isang side ang vehicle when driven on a straight even road...and mas malakas ang wear ng tires on one side compared to the other..

    its best to have you car aligned in a computerized, honest shop... para sure and correct...

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    #53
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    O.T ka nga bro, hahaha. sa suspension boards toh (mods pa transfer na lang) thanks.. hahaha..
    pero i'll answer na din your question, pag ang vehicle sir ay naipa-camber alignment at perfect na ang wheel alignment specs, hindi na sir yan magbabago, unless
    1. change tire rods
    2. change in suspension height
    3. change on other suspension aspects and geometry...etc

    pero kapag nagsisimula ka pa lang( wala pa baseline) with a newly acquired vehicle(second hand) its better to have a complete wheel alignment para you are sure that the wheel and suspension are indeed aligned...
    ( wheel and suspension alignment ay malaki epekto sa wear and tear nang tires sir, plus safety)
    on another note, pag ang tires naman ang meh uneven wear when you got the vehicle, it will affect the steer movement of the vehicle, papaling din to one side.

    usually ang unang mapapansin pag hindi aligned, pumapaling sa isang side ang vehicle when driven on a straight even road...and mas malakas ang wear ng tires on one side compared to the other..

    its best to have you car aligned in a computerized, honest shop... para sure and correct...

    am really sorry sir for OT, am newbie po kasi wants to familiarize all about cars, thank you so much, this weekend ill definitely bring my car on to servitek to do the alignment, i already noticed na kusa sitang lumiliko e nasa straight road ako, thank you so much for your response sir miko, it helps me a lot, and i also need to change my ball joint, lumalagutok na kasi siya pag lumiliko ako,

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    #54
    Quote Originally Posted by allier022407 View Post
    am really sorry sir for OT, am newbie po kasi wants to familiarize all about cars, thank you so much, this weekend ill definitely bring my car on to servitek to do the alignment, i already noticed na kusa sitang lumiliko e nasa straight road ako, thank you so much for your response sir miko, it helps me a lot, and i also need to change my ball joint, lumalagutok na kasi siya pag lumiliko ako,
    sir pa check mo na din yung C.V joint, minsan kasi lumalagutok din yun upon turning pag meh problem....
    parehas pala tayo, suki ko din yung servitek dito malapet samin, so far in 5 years na dinadala ko doon pag meh papa-trabaho ako honest sila.. ahahaha... sabay mo na mga gusto mo palitan sa underchassis sir para isang gawaan before ma-align....

    no problem sir,
    enjoy your vehicle sir and good luck sa ride...

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    #55
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    TS vehicle is not a diesel
    Thank you for highlighting the obvious.


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    #56
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    O.T ka nga bro, hahaha. sa suspension boards toh (mods pa transfer na lang) thanks.. hahaha..
    pero i'll answer na din your question, pag ang vehicle sir ay naipa-camber alignment at perfect na ang wheel alignment specs, hindi na sir yan magbabago, unless
    1. change tire rods
    2. change in suspension height
    3. change on other suspension aspects and geometry...etc

    pero kapag nagsisimula ka pa lang( wala pa baseline) with a newly acquired vehicle(second hand) its better to have a complete wheel alignment para you are sure that the wheel and suspension are indeed aligned...
    ( wheel and suspension alignment ay malaki epekto sa wear and tear nang tires sir, plus safety)
    on another note, pag ang tires naman ang meh uneven wear when you got the vehicle, it will affect the steer movement of the vehicle, papaling din to one side.

    usually ang unang mapapansin pag hindi aligned, pumapaling sa isang side ang vehicle when driven on a straight even road...and mas malakas ang wear ng tires on one side compared to the other..

    its best to have you car aligned in a computerized, honest shop... para sure and correct...


    pag ang vehicle sir ay naipa-camber alignment at perfect na ang wheel alignment specs, hindi na sir yan magbabago, unless
    1. change tire rods



    camber is measured and adjusted with the front tires are pointed straight ahead, the tie rod does not in any way affect camber. tie rod adjustments only affect the toe

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    #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post



    pag ang vehicle sir ay naipa-camber alignment at perfect na ang wheel alignment specs, hindi na sir yan magbabago, unless
    1. change tire rods



    camber is measured and adjusted with the front tires are pointed straight ahead, the tie rod does not in any way affect camber. tie rod adjustments only affect the toe
    ahaha.. unga pala.. my mistake, tie rods control the toe,
    the camber is controlled by an adjustment bolt on the lower A-arm bolts pag coil ang front,
    pag torsion bar ang harap, camber is adjusted through the Shims on the upper A-arm...

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    #58
    medyo back to topic question lang po mga sir.... Ang mga gas station service ba kaya gawin itong Cylinder Head Gasket and yung flushing ng radiator ng maayos or do I need to go to a certain shop? balak ko kasi ipasabay sa change oil and tune up sa Petron gas station malapit sa amin para isang lugar na lang...

    If not, are there any recommendation about sa shops and whatnot? Manila area po. Also how much ang price range ng Cylinder Head Gasket?

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    #59
    Quote Originally Posted by X-isle View Post
    medyo back to topic question lang po mga sir.... Ang mga gas station service ba kaya gawin itong Cylinder Head Gasket and yung flushing ng radiator ng maayos or do I need to go to a certain shop? balak ko kasi ipasabay sa change oil and tune up sa Petron gas station malapit sa amin para isang lugar na lang...

    If not, are there any recommendation about sa shops and whatnot? Manila area po. Also how much ang price range ng Cylinder Head Gasket?
    Not too sure about the cylinder head gasket but radiator flushes are fairly simple.

    Drain, fill with flushing detergent mix, run engine for specified time, flush again. Flush again for good measure, and refill with coolant mixture.

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