how to measure exact ATF?

[kristine123]

Ask ko lang po on how to measure the exact ATF?

Marami kasi nag kakamali dito kaya nag loko loko ang mga AT transmission natin....

My car is Innova VVTI AT 2005 with 50k odo.

Nag palit ako ng ATF ko last Aug 2010

Pansin ko sa ATF dip stick medyo mataas sya both hot and cold engine... discoverd 2 days ago. medyo sobrang taas 4 to 5 inches higher than normal. Nireport ko sa Casa then they drained some of the ATF. hanggang umabot na sya between the high and low measurement sa dipstick.

When i got home, tiningnan ko ulit ang Dip stick sa ATF surprisingly mataas pa rin sya around half inch.

Then kinabukasan binuksan ko ang kotse then inantay ko uminit ang engine without pressing the GAS PEDAL. Around 5-10 mins nasa normal temp na po ang tsikot then i move the transmission to P R N D 3 2 L then back to L 2 3 D N R P. 2times. tapos tiningnan ko ATF ko below LOW sya sobrang LOW. ( MALI PO BA ANG GANITONG STYLE SA PAG MEASURE NG ATF?)

Next morning pumunta ako sa CASA.
Dapat daw pag mag measure ka ng ATF dapat press mo ang GAS PEDAL 3000rpm to 3-5 mins. then adjust mo P R N D 3 2 L then back to P then tingnan mo ang ATF mo. which is nong ginawa nya at lampas sya ng HIGH konti higher half inch. (TAMA PO BA ANG CASA NA DAPAT GANITO?)

Tanong ko lang ok lang ba higher than normal ang ATF or dapat ba pabawasan ko pa?

Tama po ba ang pag measure na dapat 3000rpm for 3min or galing biyahe ang kotse saka ma measure ang exact ATF?

takot lang ako baka pag pabawasan ko pa baka mas lalong bumaba ang ATF which is nakakasira daw ng transmission pag kulang.

TAMA PO ba ang pag measure ng CASA?

Tulong lang po sa mga expert sa DIY ng AT transmission.

Baka po makatulong pa to sa mga nagkakaproblema sa AT transmission nila.

TIA

[zap.FREEDOM]

Ask ko lang po on how to measure the exact ATF?

Marami kasi nag kakamali dito kaya nag loko loko ang mga AT transmission natin....

My car is Innova VVTI AT 2005 with 50k odo.

Nag palit ako ng ATF ko last Aug 2010

Pansin ko sa ATF dip stick medyo mataas sya both hot and cold engine... discoverd 2 days ago. medyo sobrang taas 4 to 5 inches higher than normal. Nireport ko sa Casa then they drained some of the ATF. hanggang umabot na sya between the high and low measurement sa dipstick.

When i got home, tiningnan ko ulit ang Dip stick sa ATF surprisingly mataas pa rin sya around half inch.

Then kinabukasan binuksan ko ang kotse then inantay ko uminit ang engine without pressing the GAS PEDAL. Around 5-10 mins nasa normal temp na po ang tsikot then i move the transmission to P R N D 3 2 L then back to L 2 3 D N R P. 2times. tapos tiningnan ko ATF ko below LOW sya sobrang LOW. ( MALI PO BA ANG GANITONG STYLE SA PAG MEASURE NG ATF?)

Next morning pumunta ako sa CASA.
Dapat daw pag mag measure ka ng ATF dapat press mo ang GAS PEDAL 3000rpm to 3-5 mins. then adjust mo P R N D 3 2 L then back to P then tingnan mo ang ATF mo. which is nong ginawa nya at lampas sya ng HIGH konti higher half inch. (TAMA PO BA ANG CASA NA DAPAT GANITO?)

Tanong ko lang ok lang ba higher than normal ang ATF or dapat ba pabawasan ko pa?

Tama po ba ang pag measure na dapat 3000rpm for 3min or galing biyahe ang kotse saka ma measure ang exact ATF?

takot lang ako baka pag pabawasan ko pa baka mas lalong bumaba ang ATF which is nakakasira daw ng transmission pag kulang.

TAMA PO ba ang pag measure ng CASA?

Tulong lang po sa mga expert sa DIY ng AT transmission.

Baka po makatulong pa to sa mga nagkakaproblema sa AT transmission nila.

TIA

i agree on you ma'am, di ko rin po makuha yung exact ATF level ng auto ko(kahit fully warmed-up na ang engine), every time i check it, mataas ng konti sa HIGH level ng dipstick kaya mukhang sobra, pero ok naman po ang performance ng auto ko, smooth-shifting naman at responsive kahit papaano...i rememember on what happened to me last year, nag-check ako ng ATF tapos may level naman, tapos pag-ahon ko dun sa isang uphill dito samin hirap humatak, i brought it to my mechanic at sabi wala na daw ATF, na-curious ako tuloy ako (kasi pag-check ko bago umalis nasa enough level naman) at yun dinagdagan namin, ayun bumalik yung dating hatak nya sa ahunan,..yun level ganun pa rin parang walang nagbago.....



at ngayon eto hirapan nanaman humatak sa uphill yung auto ko, nag-check ako ng ATF may enough level pa..tsk..tsk.., sabi ko mukhang eto nanaman yung problema last year...dadagdagan ko na lang ulit para maka-sigurado......

to the tsikoter's...sana po may recommendations kayo kung paano talaga makuha ang exact level ng ATf ng automatic trannies...Salamat po...

[raine]

di po ba merong nakalagay sa manual nito kung paano tignan ang ATF?

[ReXBadBoy]

to be safe stick sa nasa middle level na lang ng dip stick.... pag hot engine normal yun tumaas kasi liquid expands when heated... kaya dapat cold nyo siya icheck at level ang ground.. hindi slanted on any ways.

[kristine123]

to be safe stick sa nasa middle level na lang ng dip stick.... pag hot engine normal yun tumaas kasi liquid expands when heated... kaya dapat cold nyo siya icheck at level ang ground.. hindi slanted on any ways.

pag ilalagay mo sya sa middle in cold engine... baka mayari ang transmission natin sir kasi malaki ang difference ng fluid sa cold and hot transmission... naka lagay kasi sa dip stick HOT. na try nyo po ba sa transmission mo ito sir?

di po ba merong nakalagay sa manual nito kung paano tignan ang ATF?

wala pong nakalagay sa manual about the checking ATF... engine oil lang po ang nandoon...

i agree on you ma'am, di ko rin po makuha yung exact ATF level ng auto ko(kahit fully warmed-up na ang engine), every time i check it, mataas ng konti sa HIGH level ng dipstick kaya mukhang sobra, pero ok naman po ang performance ng auto ko, smooth-shifting naman at responsive kahit papaano...i rememember on what happened to me last year, nag-check ako ng ATF tapos may level naman, tapos pag-ahon ko dun sa isang uphill dito samin hirap humatak, i brought it to my mechanic at sabi wala na daw ATF, na-curious ako tuloy ako (kasi pag-check ko bago umalis nasa enough level naman) at yun dinagdagan namin, ayun bumalik yung dating hatak nya sa ahunan,..yun level ganun pa rin parang walang nagbago.....

at ngayon eto hirapan nanaman humatak sa uphill yung auto ko, nag-check ako ng ATF may enough level pa..tsk..tsk.., sabi ko mukhang eto nanaman yung problema last year...dadagdagan ko na lang ulit para maka-sigurado......

to the tsikoter's...sana po may recommendations kayo kung paano talaga makuha ang exact level ng ATf ng automatic trannies...Salamat po...

Just wanna share this... i found this in different forum. hope this is correct
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For 35 years, have been playing cars with auto trans ( I love autos) including tricking up these autos and there is only one way to check ATF oil which has never ever failed ..... drive car for 15mins as this will ensure the auto trans gets hot reaching its own operating temp.

The engine operating temp does not mean the trans is also equally hot. Eg., you start the engine first thing in the morning and allow it to idle for 10 mins and engine would have reached operating temp from the temp meter indicator, but during this idling time, the trans is still in P or N and the ATF hasn't had a chance to get hot (just warm only) and to flow to all the nooks n crannies of the trans and also with no shifting during the idling time. All these will not give you accurate reading.

Hence the reason for actually driving the car before ATF level can be checked.

In short, drive car for at least 15 mins or more, then stop car, pull handbrake and put gear in P or N. Take out dipstick, wipe with lint-free cloth, insert the dipstick into tube wait for 3-5 secs, pull it out and check level. Top up to required level if necessary.

for your reference.
http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forum...hp/t-7705.html

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[zap.FREEDOM]

pag ilalagay mo sya sa middle in cold engine... baka mayari ang transmission natin sir kasi malaki ang difference ng fluid sa cold and hot transmission... naka lagay kasi sa dip stick HOT. na try nyo po ba sa transmission mo ito sir?



wala pong nakalagay sa manual about the checking ATF... engine oil lang po ang nandoon...



Just wanna share this... i found this in different forum. hope this is correct
[SIZE=4]you might want to comment on this?[/SIZE]

For 35 years, have been playing cars with auto trans ( I love autos) including tricking up these autos and there is only one way to check ATF oil which has never ever failed ..... drive car for 15mins as this will ensure the auto trans gets hot reaching its own operating temp.

The engine operating temp does not mean the trans is also equally hot. Eg., you start the engine first thing in the morning and allow it to idle for 10 mins and engine would have reached operating temp from the temp meter indicator, but during this idling time, the trans is still in P or N and the ATF hasn't had a chance to get hot (just warm only) and to flow to all the nooks n crannies of the trans and also with no shifting during the idling time. All these will not give you accurate reading.

Hence the reason for actually driving the car before ATF level can be checked.

In short, drive car for at least 15 mins or more, then stop car, pull handbrake and put gear in P or N. Take out dipstick, wipe with lint-free cloth, insert the dipstick into tube wait for 3-5 secs, pull it out and check level. Top up to required level if necessary.

for your reference.
http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forum...hp/t-7705.html

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thanks a lot ma'am, very informative...may be i try it on sunday,..thanks a again for the idea.

[ReXBadBoy]

actually thats what i did i maintain my atf level at mid... may konti leak kasi sa seal yun transmission ko inbetween the engine and tranny so tendency mag bawas cya some milimeters in a month usage... kaya dagdag ako ng few ml ng atf every month.. wala pa budget sa pag reseal eh.. estimate would cost 5k daw on the least.. so top off top off muna hehe... no issue naman on my tranny...lakas humatak...maliban sa minor jolt on shifting...

hirap kasi nyan.. pag kulang atf level.. masama sa tranny.. pag sobra naman masama din.. kaya i prefer mid level..para safe ground

[t2erns]

kung may owner's manual pa mas maganda basahin and follow instructions. depending on the model ng mga sasakyan meron sinusukat while idling in park, meron din sinusukat while idling in neutral. kung minsan naka sulat din ito sa trans dipstick.

[GBStJames]

What exactly are the bad effects if you put too much ATF?

[alwayz_yummy]

ako ginagawa ko-- i drive first..mag hahatid muna...then pagkauwi, while the engine is running, AT on P, i measure-- dapat nasa hot-max... mahirap magsukat sa cold....

pag overfilled--mabiiblaokan ang AT..pag kulang, starvation naman.

[GBStJames]

pag overfilled--mabiiblaokan ang AT..pag kulang, starvation naman.

Are these manifested by faulty shifting?

[zap.FREEDOM]

What exactly are the bad effects if you put too much ATF?

last JUNE nung naubusan ng atf yung kotse ko (as in hirap na talagang i-shift saka ang lakas ng ugong para mapaandar mo siya), inilagay ko lahat yung 1 liter of ATF na binili ko e,(di naman na-overfilled siguro yun kasi wala namang masamang nangyare e hanggang ngayon, )

ok, ganito kasi pag-overfilled nagkakaroon ng BUBBLES/FOAMS yung mga bubble kasi wala ng space para sumingaw yung air sa tranny (overfilled nga kasi e, puro ATF) yung mga bubbles na namumuo sa loob ay nagtritrigger na makasira ng mga seals sa auto trannies, o di naman kaya nagboblow black kaya minsan nasusunog...

[alwayz_yummy]

Are these manifested by faulty shifting?

maari.. ung pride namin kasi naging erratic ang shifting...1st matic car namin un, kaya ala pa ko alam noon..pero di lang naman un ang cause ng erratic shifting--pwedeng worn-down na ang AT becuse of bad habits like ung di pag alis sa D pag traffic jams/stoplight.

sa 4x4-mag lang ako natuto ng correct AT maintainance and DIY-ATF change... di katulad ng makina/any fluid ng sasakyan, AT lang accurate kung hot and dapat running ang engine para tama sa sukat.pag patay ang makina, mataas talaga atf...at kung cold, hihigupin naman ng AT ung fluid, then babalik nya sa normal level which is in most dip-sticks--hot max.

[kristine123]

sa 4x4-mag lang ako natuto ng correct AT maintainance and DIY-ATF change... di katulad ng makina/any fluid ng sasakyan, AT lang accurate kung hot and dapat running ang engine para tama sa sukat.pag patay ang makina, mataas talaga atf...at kung cold, hihigupin naman ng AT ung fluid, then babalik nya sa normal level which is in most dip-sticks--hot max.

when you say running ang engine sir? what do mean galing sa biyahe or just idle? no revolution sa gas pedal sir? nag adjust pa kayo P to P? anong sasakyan yan sir?

[miked]

me drives an auto tranny pickup at eto ang parati ko ginagawa and to sum things up:

but before starting engine, check if fluid level is at maximum level at COLD range to ensure ATF supply.

1. warm-up engine first 3-5 mins
2. before i move the vehicle, i shift to all gear positions before running the vehicle (to lubricate all gear circuits)
3. drive normally for about 10 kms (our home is 10 kms from the nearest gas station)
4. after the 10km drive, i stop then engage to all gear positions again (P to L then back to P)
5. with engine still running at idle, pull dipstick-wipe-insert again-pull out again-read.
6. it should now be at maximum HOT range. if lower, add ATF slowly.

Note: if the end (the end that you hold with your fingers) of the dipstick is hot (not warm)to touch, it is already at operating temperature.

fyi