MRT Thread

[kisshmet]

sure it will be shut down if done so. its a massive undertaking. 17km long. sure the contractor and the govt will have to work together to make it less bloody .. 3 shifts on a holy week?

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Get it done for the mrt3 commuters, the sobrepena group wont do it, theyll just milk their contract until 2025

A new concessionare wont do it for FREE

Do it, display that touted political WILL. unless this govt find a philantropist that will shoulder the cost then the govt have to find a way to deal with a strict govt procurement process

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[supadude]

Is the MVP route the only way to go? sana hinde mas ok pa din pag govt find a way.

pansin niyo ba na simula palang nung mrt mas maliit un mga coach niya compare sa lrt 1 and lrt 2. hinde naman cgro aero dynamics ang habol kaya maliit mga bagon nila from the start.

[StockEngine]

is this fake news? 🤔

MRTC, Sumitomo eye MRT-3 rehab | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

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[Bin Diesel]

Mrt 3 talga, is the worst! nagmahal at mas mahal pa sa bus. Nung 2014 kasi 14php lang from first to last station tapos 34php ata kung i-ddaan mo sa bus.

Lrt 1 ibang tren okay yung iba...
Lrt 2 lang nakikita kong maganda.

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Medyo sablay na din ang aircon ng mga tren sa LRT2 mas malamig pa yung mga lumang tren ng LRT1.

[absinthe]

Hiring back the OEM provider is the first step in rehabilitating the troubled MRT3.

Excellent decision to go the G2G agreement...the contract will be between the GRP and the Japanese Government to greatly expedite the procurement process.

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Gov't chooses Sumitomo Corp. as new MRT-3 maintenance provider
By VJ Bacungan, CNN Philippines
Updated 08:53 AM PHT Wed, November 29, 2017

Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, November 29) — Japanese firm Sumitomo Corporation, which originally maintained the Metro Rail Transit 3 (MRT-3), is the new maintenance provider for the troubled railway, transportation officials announced Wednesday.

The Philippine government is conducting "high-level discussions" with the Japanese government for "direct engagement" with the Sumitomo and its technical partner, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the Department of Transportation (DOTr) said in a statement.

Sumitomo and Mitsubishi designed and built the MRT-3 and had maintainted it from the start of operations in 2000 until 2012, when the contract with the companies expired.

"A G2G (government-to-government) agreement is scheduled to be signed before year-end," the DOTr said. "The maintenance and rehabilitation contract is intended to have a term of 3 years, and will include the rehabilitation and restoration of the system to its original performance standards."

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[Monseratto]

Hiring back the OEM provider is the first step in rehabilitating the troubled MRT3.

Excellent decision to go the G2G agreement...the contract will be between the GRP and the Japanese Government to greatly expedite the procurement process.

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Gov't chooses Sumitomo Corp. as new MRT-3 maintenance provider
By VJ Bacungan, CNN Philippines
Updated 08:53 AM PHT Wed, November 29, 2017

I wonder what will the Japs recommend after a due diligence assessment...

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[Lew_Alcindor]

I wonder what will the Japs recommend after a due diligence assessment...

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Hindi ba tinanggihan na ng Sumitomo yan? Napabalita na nung isang araw unless nagbago isip?

Ahhhh Japanese govt na nilapitan nila.

Anyway, replacing a Japanese maintenance provider with someone is a very dumb decision. Pinagkaperahan lang talaga bago mag-election.

[absinthe]

Hindi ba tinanggihan na ng Sumitomo yan? Napabalita na nung isang araw unless nagbago isip?

Meh FMD daw yung DOTr ASec, kasi fter niya sabihin yun, nagissue ng official statement DOTr denying it.

*haist* bakit kasi ang daming atat na atat magsalita sa media.\

Pero ang ginawa ng DOTr, G2G para wala ng bidding.

[Wh1stl3r]

I wonder what will the Japs recommend after a due diligence assessment...

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I remember an old Pugad Baboy cartoon strip where Joboy the mechanic recommends "palitan na lang po natin ng brand new".

[StockEngine]

I remember an old Pugad Baboy cartoon strip where Joboy the mechanic recommends "palitan na lang po natin ng brand new".

upgrade the mrt 👌

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[kisshmet]

Hindi ba tinanggihan na ng Sumitomo yan? Napabalita na nung isang araw unless nagbago isip?

Ahhhh Japanese govt na nilapitan nila.

Anyway, replacing a Japanese maintenance provider with someone is a very dumb decision. Pinagkaperahan lang talaga bago mag-election.

Sumitomo may have built the rails but not the train coaches which were made in europe.

The manufacturing life of those coaches ceased already a long time ago. Sumitimo are not the kings of restoration so with an exorbitant maintenance contract and no chance to increase the number of old coaches for lack of fresh spare parts wont change the bad picture. The same thing will happen, it will get worse before it gets any better. Sumitomo is a japanese company tasked to maintain the rails they built and the coaches built in europe. Keeping sumitomo wont change the state of those old coaches, it will just continue to dwindle bcoz theyll also resort to cannibalization of other train components on the existing inventory

Any maintenance provider of mrt3 will simply make do with what they have left

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[vinj]

I remember an old Pugad Baboy cartoon strip where Joboy the mechanic recommends "palitan na lang po natin ng brand new".

Haha. Classic! I also liked the one where he did nothing but mods to the car (lowered, P&P, etc.) but did not do the actual repairs needed.

But yes, i would liken the MRT to an old, dilapidated house. Seems to be less pain and more cost effective to just thrash it and palitan ng brand new.

[StockEngine]

ebay photo hosting

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[kisshmet]

^This guy is fooling himself and the filipino people..the mrt3 woes wont cease unless you replace those old (creaky) coaches and replace worn out rails

Sumitomo are not miracle workers

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[absinthe]

^^ Kasama na yung rail replacement sa rehab program. Ginawa na yun nung past Admin kaso hindi nila napaltan yung lahat ng riles, "pakitang tao" lang nangyari.

As for the existing RT8D5 units, well mahihirapan na nga diyan kasi yung gumawa mismo ng mga trams (isa pa tong sakit sa ulo) na yun ay kaput na. Pero per an insider, meron padin on stock ang Sumitomo na mga spare parts na compatible sa 1st gen sets.

As for the Abaya era Dalian 8MLB, well...power / rails / signaling upgrade / etc still needed

[kisshmet]

^hinihintay ko nga yun pagbabago e..kaso waley

Palala lang ng palala

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[Monseratto]

Merry xmas...

[maxpedition]

Merry xmas...

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[StockEngine]

Feeling ill? Don’t ride MRT-3 | Metro, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

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[Flipo]

^This guy is fooling himself and the filipino people..the mrt3 woes wont cease unless you replace those old (creaky) coaches and replace worn out rails

Sumitomo are not miracle workers

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After beating the dead horse and nothing is happening up to this new admin, now GMA man Magno is admitting MRT3 is bad engineering.

... those who built the MRT-3. In the first 15 days of December, the MRT-3 operations broke down 16 times. It will not get better anytime soon. It can only get worse.

Every aspect of the MRT-3 appears under-designed. Corners were cut on nearly every aspect.

MRT-3 uses overweight trams converted into rapid transit trains by lifting the cars to align with the stations. There was a mismatch from the very start.

A few months after it started operating, maintenance provider Sumitomo discovered several cracked bogeys. The engineers suspected that either inferior steel was used for them or the Czech supplier delivered refurbished parts.

As early as the first year of operations, the rail system experienced too much shelling and damage to the tracks. Two things explain this: the rails were of inferior quality and the gravels ballasts were too thin to soften the impact of train wheels. Those train wheels wore out easily, explaining the swaying motion of the MRT-3.

In the Makati area, the rails were found to be misaligned, causing the trains to twist and vibrate. Engineers surmise the reason for this is that two separate contractors built the rails and failed to align them properly.

In 2003, the Czech suppliers were summoned to examine the flaws in the system. They recommended horizontal dampers be installed to absorb the excessive lateral vibrations and mitigate damage to the rail cars. Sumitomo took no corrective action. We inherit rolling wrecks as a consequence.

Cesar Chavez, before he resigned as DOTr Undersecretary for Rails, was obsessed with getting maintenance provider Busan out and bringing Sumitomo back in. He succeeded in getting Busan out, but did nothing about the structural flaws in this system. He withheld monthly payments to Buri from September last year and expected the company to deliver.

In the meantime, in-house crews do the sophisticated maintenance work needed on a daily basis. Less than a third of the trains are in use, causing the long queues and the overcrowding that further deteriorates the system.

Since Abaya’s mis-designed Dalian trains are unusable, we could run out of trains for this dinosaur of a mass transit system. Good luck to all of us.