LTO to implement RFID tags

[ghosthunter]

agree that this device can possibly be considered as a tool that can be used for the invasion of privacy... but.. we have to establish muna the technical capabilities of the RFID itself. hanggang gaano kahaba / lawak ba ang range ng RF signal nito? from what I read in the column, ang design is may mga handheld readers that would "read" the RFID just like a handheld scanner reads the bar code of the products you buy off the grocery / mall...

kung limited ang range, it has to be established exactly how long is that range... kapag sobrang lapit, it is quite useless for surveillance purposes...

Taken from: http://www.rfidjournal.com/faq/18/69

[SIZE="4"]What is the read range for a typical RFID tag?[/SIZE]

There really is no such thing as a "typical" RFID tag, and the read range of passive tags depends on many factors: the frequency of operation, the power of the reader, interference from other RF devices and so on. In general, low-frequency tags are read from a foot (0.33 meter) or less. High-frequency tags are read from about three feet (1 meter) and UHF tags are read from 10 to 20 feet. Where longer ranges are needed, such as for tracking railway cars, active tags use batteries to boost read ranges to 300 feet (100 meters) or more.

[ghosthunter]

bro, this is the one that confuses me most... does it mean that privately owned vehicles are not included with the implementation?

In the "law" all vehicles must have the RFID chip

mahal din ha? 350 petot per tag. another source of income to be used for the elections.... tamang tama ang timing sa implementation.

Exactly, the timing is so suspiciously convenient for additional election funds

and if private owned vehicles are included in the implementation, pano yung mga vehicles na hindi pa na transfer of ownership? so yung previous owner pa din ang nakalagay?

It would be possible that a new RFID tag would be issued to replace the old one if the vehicle is sold.

[jjmd3_787]

hinde ko lang alam kung magkano naman ang babayaran. will start this coming October daw.

bakit ganun kung kailan malapit nanaman ang election eh meron nanaman project ang LTO. remember the road user's tax? ginamit lang sa election yun funds

A fee of php350 for the RFID will be shouldered by us, motorists. As for the RUT, there will be a Senate investigation . . . May nagyayari ba sa mga imbestigasyon na yan sa Senado? As far as I know, magpapa-pogi na naman ang mga ito para sa upcoming 2010 election.

[jjmd3_787]

I concur with GH! Dapat sa PUVs, gov't vehicles, and emergency services lang ang RFID. Hindi pa ba sapat ang nararanasang harassment ng mga private motorists mula sa mga corrupt traffic enforcers/authorities, poor road/infrastrucutre conditions, at windshield-punas boys ?

A fee of php350 will be imposed for the chips. Dagdag pasanin uli ito. OK lang sana kung matino ang pamamalakad nila.

'Ganda talaga ng timing para next year. Isama mo na din yung balak i-increase sa 200% ang PAGIBIG fund collections. Nabuko na kasi pag gamit nila sa OWWA, GSIS, at PhilHealth funds nuong past election.

[jundogg]

gastos nanaman at abala
dapat for puv's lang to track down such things like cholorum, etc

we did a thesis on this way 2003, proposed din sa dotc. di lang natuloy yun deal. i still have the prototype and programs with me.
costly talaga dahel yun RFID inorder pa namin from U.S.

[nicolodeon]

According to a couple of LTO folks that I know, all motor vehicies, whether PUV or PV, would be required to install RFIDs on their winshields starting October 1. Sabi din nila, it should be placed where it would be "most visible" on the windshield. Cost is 300-350 pesos. Pero since hindi naman daw lahat makakabile agad, may grace period sila bago manghuli.

EDSA traveler here. Pardon my negativity but I can just imagine MMDA traffic personnel having a field day apprehending vehicles that do not have RFID attached. Good intentions from LTO perhaps but another possible source of kotong.

[CVT]

i read somewhere that the silver plastic used to pack hard-discs are enough to block the signal

That's antistatic bag, bro....

Another fund raising campaign for we-know-who.....

Typically, on volume order, less than a dollar(<P48) ang isang unit nito.... That means P300 goes to the "infrastructure" ....

8701:soccer:

[jundogg]

Sabi din nila, it should be placed where it would be "most visible" on the windshield.

RFID yan, kahet san pa nakalagay yan, they should be able to detect if one vehicle has it or not.


nothing against you sir, sa context lang ng sinasabi nila

[wowiesy]

upon further thought of this issue... lalo ko naisip na the people who are proposing this scheme should really have a high level of service, or talagang dagdag kita lang talaga ito...

granted they get past beyond the opposition to the RFID tags and the RFID scanners, for this to work, kailangan reliable tama ang capability ng network kung saan dadaan ang data.... ji think it's highly impossible to put all the contents of the database into the scanners.. since on a daily basis may mga bagong registration... they have to put in in a central repository where it will be queried..

what will the network infrastructure be? ready na ba sila? eh dun lang sa LTO registration eh mukhang problematic na yung network backbone nila.... kung mababa ang level of service ng network sa LTO registration, would they use the same backbone / infrastructure for this RFID system? kung ganun... i think this is really a fast way to earn not just a buck...

but if I put it on the other side.. I will speculate that a big chunk of the price will go to the network infrastructure...

[Mile2]

We are told that validity is 10 years

Just maybe after a couple year this technology is already obsolete

Sweet talking from the people behind this

[jaymd]

campaign money lang yan

[ghosthunter]

RFID yan, kahet san pa nakalagay yan, they should be able to detect if one vehicle has it or not.

Windshield is the best location. The RFID signal may be blocked or shortened it's range easily enough by the metal sheet of the car if placed in the wrong location.

Of course, if you want to block the signal intentionally, a simple sheet of metal mesh is enough to shield it (Faraday cage principle).

[james00112233]

found on other site....

Reading tags on individual store items will be tricky, however, and spies will find it hard to track items with handheld readers or those mounted in doorways. A sheet of aluminum foil is many times thicker than it needs to be to shield an RFID signal, said ThingMagic's Reynolds. The signals are also disrupted by human flesh, which is made mostly of salt water: an RFID tag inside your fist cannot be read.
RFID tag systems, said Reynolds, also suffer from limited range. The readers -- due to FCC tag power limits and design limitations on tag antenna sizes -- work at distances up to about 20 meters. "In practice we see far less read range than that," he said.
Reynolds said he'd favor a "modest increase" in the receiver sensitivity limits set by the FCC.
But he pointed out that a laminated anti-static bag, for example, would not be readable by even a more potent system.

[ghosthunter]

found on other site....

RFID tags differ greatly depending on application. The ones used for in-store security and price-tagging is the low power type. I would think the ones used for vehicles will be more powerful. But of course, will still suffer similar problems of interference or shielding (as experienced by those using e-pass payment for NLEX and SLEX).

[donald22]

yung owner type jeepney namin due for reg na this october, ibig nyo sabihin kahit yung bulok naming owner na kargahan ng paninda ay kakabitan din ng rf id? hahaha
e andito kami sa province wala namang nanghuhuli na lto dito. di nga nakakarating ng bayan owner namin pang bukid lang. pero yearly nireregister pa rin namin.

[wowiesy]

yung owner type jeepney namin due for reg na this october, ibig nyo sabihin kahit yung bulok naming owner na kargahan ng paninda ay kakabitan din ng rf id? hahaha
e andito kami sa province wala namang nanghuhuli na lto dito. di nga nakakarating ng bayan owner namin pang bukid lang. pero yearly nireregister pa rin namin.

tingin ko mas madali itong ma roll out since sticker / RFID lang na dapat idikit sa sasakyan... ang mas matagal nito ay yung hardware / network infrastructure sa mga readers...

imagine.. even if a scanner / reader can read to a range of 100 feet... impossible naman makapag lagay ng reader ang government at every street kung talagang pang surveillance... the most they can do is put in select spots and do a count... say during peak hours ilan ang dumadaan, off peak hours ilang vehicles... for statistics malalaman din kung public private etc...

si Honorable Congressman Casino naghahabol na makapag latag ng TRO bago ma implement ito by Oct1.. let's see what happens...

[ghosthunter]

tingin ko mas madali itong ma roll out since sticker / RFID lang na dapat idikit sa sasakyan... ang mas matagal nito ay yung hardware / network infrastructure sa mga readers...

imagine.. even if a scanner / reader can read to a range of 100 feet... impossible naman makapag lagay ng reader ang government at every street kung talagang pang surveillance... the most they can do is put in select spots and do a count... say during peak hours ilan ang dumadaan, off peak hours ilang vehicles... for statistics malalaman din kung public private etc...

Heck! ... if you want to be RFID "stealth", just install a metal mesh screen or aluminum foil in front and back of the RFID.

[impulzz]

mukhang mahabang pila ang pagkuha ng RFID kasi each RFID has to be encoded with the vehicles data before they issue it to you.

yung verification nga lang ng insurance ilan taon bago nila naayos, tapos nalulusutan pa di sila.

same company ba ang hahawak ng rfid at nung insurance verification? stradcom ba yun?

[jaymd]

naka hold daw muna implementation nito

[shadow]

mukhang mahabang pila ang pagkuha ng RFID kasi each RFID has to be encoded with the vehicles data before they issue it to you.

yung verification nga lang ng insurance ilan taon bago nila naayos, tapos nalulusutan pa di sila.

same company ba ang hahawak ng rfid at nung insurance verification? stradcom ba yun?

yup! same company ulit....

ang balita a big fat man is behind stradcom...*cough*FG*cough*.

P350* ilan ba ang registered vehicles ngayon? plus pa mga motorcycle then every year ilan ba ang bagong kotse nadagdag? ang laking pera!

bakit ba everytime na malapit ang election eh meron bagong project ang LTO? road user's tax...anyone?

anyway, do we have a choice? kung ano gusto nila eh di sundin na lang...wala naman talaga tayong magagawa eh...