Quote Originally Posted by Horsepower View Post
Hybrid is NOT the way to go.

Aside from being overly expensive, they will pollute the environment too. Those batteries aint gonna last forever, after a year or two, you'll have to replace them because they're burned out. Where are you going to dump those humongous batteries then?

Hi-tech diesels are better. Their emissions are even lower than most hybrids. for example, SantaFe CRDi vs Lexus 470h (h means hybrid). They're way cheaper too. Who'd want to pay for an overpriced, anti-environment, supercompact car? fools maybe.
But DIESEL engines aren't the end-all-be-all either....

Like any current engine tech, it still has its disadvantages. It still consumes quite a lot during idle (it can't beat a hybrid there) and although it's easier to create diesel, it's still a pain to refine the fuel.

And seriously, hybrid batteries don't burn out in 2-3 years. Where the hell did you get that crap from? In the US, Japan and Europe, Toyota provides a battery warranty of 7-8 years and even with that, wala pa ngang mga reported cases of battery failure (sources: edumunds.com; carspyshots.net, etc.). What's more, Toyota (and a few other manufactuers) aceept hybrid batteries once you want to get rid of them (kasama sa battery recycling program nila)

Also another BS item is the pollution figure against hybrids. In fact, they produce very minimal emissions. Sa US, there hasn't been a diesel that qualifies for the SU-LEV category.......yet (hanggang ULEV-II pa lamang atm). So sa ngayon, hybrids from Toyota and Honda are the only ones to reach that category.

Another item is your unfair comparison between a Santa Fe CRDI and a Lexus RX400h. Be advised that the latter has a 3.3 V6 engine with hybrid motor (thus the equivalence to a 4.0L V8). What were you thinking comparing a 2.2 diesel to a 3.3 V6 gas/petrol engine (mated to Ni-MH motor)? My golly, that's just an unfair comparison. Plus, you bring in the equation of emissions. I'm sorry to say that you are WRONG.

CO2 emissions:
Santa Fe 2.2 = 193 g/km
Lexus RX400h = 192 g/km

Still has the slight upperhand even if the latter has a bigger displacement engine.

You are right about overall efficiency in that diesels still are better than hybrids on that (I too agree on this) and overall costs still favors diesel.....pero you're other statements are just purely misleading. You state it as if diesel is all high and mighty yet you mention that hybrid is just a 100% white elephant. And worse is that you even state that current hybrids emit more CO2 emissions than current diesel engines??? I wonder what website did you search for all that crap.

I have no bias against any engine tech (I have two gasoline cars at home; four diesel vehicles at that...and I praise the Lexus LS 600 hybrid).....but unlike you (a one-sided diesel fanboy), there are other people who keep their mind open and view all of the current and upcoming fuel technologies with an open mind.

So I guess.....that post you made was so biased that I don't even know what to think. But in any way either, I guess that's something that even you, a pure diesel fanboy who made a clearly one-sided ignorant post, wouldn't even understand for a long while.