Toyota Innova J gas or diesel?

**cripple_rooster** · December 21st, 2012 10:41 AM

With a well-mantained D4-D you shouldn't worry about an overhaul, at least not until the 500.000km milestone is achieved.

**Retz** · December 21st, 2012 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by samcoy

Okay, mas mahal ba yang maintenance na yan sa Gas variant on the same casa? Also, if I will follow the schedule religiously maiiwasan naman yung overhaul, right? Sa gas kasi ganun din kung hindi i-maintain ng maayos ma-overhaul in the end.

Generally it is much more expensive to maintain a diesel compared to gas. Sa engine oil pa lang mas madami sa d4-d.

**cripple_rooster** · December 23rd, 2012 02:16 PM

In spite of eventually requiring more oil than a gasser counterpart, it's usually easier and cheaper to mantain a diesel. The fuel savings back it up easily, and the waste motor oil can be filtered and blended with the regular diesel fuel

**dr. d** · December 24th, 2012 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Retz

Generally it is much more expensive to maintain a diesel compared to gas. Sa engine oil pa lang mas madami sa d4-d.

actually, i think it just evens out, or even puts the diesel ahead of the gas.. the savings in fuel expenses of the diesel, are spent on the additional oil requirement. aside from the regular oil and fuel, i don't see anything else to spend on that the gas variant does not spend on just as much..plus, diesel does not have to worry about spark plugs and hi tension cables..

**vinj** · December 24th, 2012 01:22 PM

additional oil for diesel engines doesnt have any effect really in most 2L to 2.5L diesel engines today. Just compare the price of the 5L Mobil Delvac MX or Caltex DGU as against the 4L gasoline oils. Pretty much the same.

We've owned both gas and diesel SUVs and AUVs and definitely, the diesel still comes out cheaper and more practical to own for our regular use. If you're goingfor big displacement SUVs like the LC where you use 10L of oil, the gas counterparts use just as much.

**cripple_rooster** · December 31st, 2012 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by vinj

additional oil for diesel engines doesnt have any effect really in most 2L to 2.5L diesel engines today. Just compare the price of the 5L Mobil Delvac MX or Caltex DGU as against the 4L gasoline oils. Pretty much the same.

We've owned both gas and diesel SUVs and AUVs and definitely, the diesel still comes out cheaper and more practical to own for our regular use. If you're goingfor big displacement SUVs like the LC where you use 10L of oil, the gas counterparts use just as much.

And in a Diesel you can even blend the WMO with regular Diesel fuel, so it won't be wasted

**bors** · October 16th, 2013 11:55 AM

One factor against the diesel - ASBU.

Get the gas.

**Innovajdriver** · November 8th, 2017 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by markduguran

Good Day!

Were thingking of having an Innova but were still not decided on what to get. We intend to use it as long as it could serve us..just like our 20 year old corolla....obviously if we are to look at the fuel consumption....diesel will definitely be a good choice ( better FC and diesel fuel is cheaper than gas) but i we are to look in the Maintenance cost (Gas will be a better choice because of maintenance cost and parts)....my father owns a 2003 toyota revo GLX (1.8 efi gas engine) it has already drove morethan 130,000kms and still no problems encountered especially in its engine......i need your advice please.

D4d is expensive plus the maintenance cost. Wont let you save money in the long run. The price of gas and diesel is not much of difference.

I have second hand innova j 2007. Im glad i decide to buy her. These are the factors

1. Fuel consumption is not bad. A good driver knows how and when to accelerate. With diesel the more you shift the more fuel consumption. With gas a light acceleration will let you go. City driving i would say depends on how you accelerate. My innova j can accelerate at 60 km/hr at 4th gear at 1500 rpm. Thats gas. Can diesel do this? Of course not. Try it and you end up stalling your car. So gas innova is still efficient.

2. Maintenance. My J is timing chain built. So no worries at all. Your d4d? If its belt not chain? How much will it cost you for labor to change it?

3. Pick up speed varries on engine power. All normal engines the top speed is 160 to 170 km/hr. Other than that your engine is supercharged. Sa karira 2.0 vs 2.5 or 2.8 talagang talo ang 2.0. Pero sa top speed pareho lang.

4. Gas is for better millage. Most d4d at 100k plus millage tumatagas na. Maitim na usok beyond the normal smoke belch.

5. Diesel unang maoverhall. Ang gas umaarangkada pa rin.

6. Wear and tear issue. Diesel engines parts worn out fast due to high fuel compression. Where as gas as long as you change the oil according to the recommended mileage of the oil brand engine parts are still like new. Mine is still gold in color.

These are just few but important considerations.
I will say go for INNOVA GAS

**dr. d** · November 8th, 2017 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Innovajdriver

D4d is expensive plus the maintenance cost. Wont let you save money in the long run. The price of gas and diesel is not much of difference.

I have second hand innova j 2007. Im glad i decide to buy her. These are the factors

1. Fuel consumption is not bad. A good driver knows how and when to accelerate. With diesel the more you shift the more fuel consumption. With gas a light acceleration will let you go. City driving i would say depends on how you accelerate. My innova j can accelerate at 60 km/hr at 4th gear at 1500 rpm. Thats gas. Can diesel do this? Of course not. Try it and you end up stalling your car. So gas innova is still efficient.

2. Maintenance. My J is timing chain built. So no worries at all. Your d4d? If its belt not chain? How much will it cost you for labor to change it?

3. Pick up speed varries on engine power. All normal engines the top speed is 160 to 170 km/hr. Other than that your engine is supercharged. Sa karira 2.0 vs 2.5 or 2.8 talagang talo ang 2.0. Pero sa top speed pareho lang.

4. Gas is for better millage. Most d4d at 100k plus millage tumatagas na. Maitim na usok beyond the normal smoke belch.

5. Diesel unang maoverhall. Ang gas umaarangkada pa rin.

6. Wear and tear issue. Diesel engines parts worn out fast due to high fuel compression. Where as gas as long as you change the oil according to the recommended mileage of the oil brand engine parts are still like new. Mine is still gold in color.

These are just few but important considerations.
I will say go for INNOVA GAS

i have D4d.

1. my 1000 bucks gives me about 300 km in the city. how many km does 1000 bucks of your gas give you? in km/li, i do about 10 km/li. what's your km/li figure? acceleration and top speed? that's what the transmission stick is for. your fuel figures may be not bad. but mine are better.
2. my timing belt is due for change at 150K. i still have at least 20K to go, and that is for the 2005 model. not bad, for a 12 year old car.
3. top speed? whatever for and where can you do it safely? if i wanted a fast car, i would have gotten a sedan. it will probably be faster than the innova gas. but i'm no slouch, either. average speeds lang.
4. how do you treat your cars? mine is 120K already, with not a bit of tagas, and it does not smoke, either.
5. when do diesels get overhauled? it is how you treat your car, sir.
6. diesels wear out faster than gas? i have heard this many times. i have heard it from the guy having his innova's vvti engine fixed, while i was there because i was buying a replacement light bulb for my D4d. the manufacturer compensates the higher compression and hotter temp, with tougher metals. i have not had anything replaced in the engine, after 120K. and it still drives fine. i don't even have to worry about high tensions and sparking plugs. i use ordinary mineral oil, replaced every 5K. and by virtue of the diesel engine's mode of function, oil does and should get dark. i'd be surprised if it does not.

the only beef i have with diesels, is the pollution stuff. to some, that is enough to shun diesels.

**timtonymanu** · November 10th, 2017 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

i have D4d.

1. my 1000 bucks gives me about 300 km in the city. how many km does 1000 bucks of your gas give you? in km/li, i do about 10 km/li. what's your km/li figure? acceleration and top speed? that's what the transmission stick is for. your fuel figures may be not bad. but mine are better.
2. my timing belt is due for change at 150K. i still have at least 20K to go, and that is for the 2005 model. not bad, for a 12 year old car.
3. top speed? whatever for and where can you do it safely? if i wanted a fast car, i would have gotten a sedan. it will probably be faster than the innova gas. but i'm no slouch, either. average speeds lang.
4. how do you treat your cars? mine is 120K already, with not a bit of tagas, and it does not smoke, either.
5. when do diesels get overhauled? it is how you treat your car, sir.
6. diesels wear out faster than gas? i have heard this many times. i have heard it from the guy having his innova's vvti engine fixed, while i was there because i was buying a replacement light bulb for my D4d. the manufacturer compensates the higher compression and hotter temp, with tougher metals. i have not had anything replaced in the engine, after 120K. and it still drives fine. i don't even have to worry about high tensions and sparking plugs. i use ordinary mineral oil, replaced every 5K. and by virtue of the diesel engine's mode of function, oil does and should get dark. i'd be surprised if it does not.

the only beef i have with diesels, is the pollution stuff. to some, that is enough to shun diesels.

Agree with you, sir.

The diesel engine is built with tougher and robust materials designed to withstand the higher compression ratio and operating temperature, including the cylinder block, head, pistons and rings, etc.

I actually had a 2001 isuzu crosswind before, even after 330,000 kilometers on the odometer, it still runs perfectly fine, it does not consume oil, as I dont even have to top-up in between oil change intervals. The only maintenance i did to the engine was change oil and filters. Ni hindi nga nabuksan ang makina. The injection pump was overhauled and calibrated at 330,000 kms (before i sold it) since medyo kinakapos na at low idle (namamatay makina pag menor), damage to my wallet was P 4,000.00. Nozzles di pa din napalitan dahil walang usok, pinapalinis ko nga sana sa calibration shop ayaw nila kasi wala naman daw usok at ang ganda pa daw ng acceleration.

Maintenance wise, for me mas matipid pa nga diesel because you dont have to deal with the electricals of the ignition system, though mas madami siya required na engine oil.

Fuel consumption, well,it is pretty much established na mas matipid talaga ang diesel engine.

Now I own a Gen 2 Innova 2.8 diesel. Even I was surprised that the power and refinement of the same is now comparable to a gasoline engine.