Air Force to buy fighter jets by 2011

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MiG 1.44 written all over...

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I guess all of China's neighbours are now more worried...

http://defensenews.com/story.php?i=5341327&c=ASI&s=AIR

Photos of Chinese 5th-Generation Fighter Revealed
By WENDELL MINNICK

TAIPEI - China's fifth-generation stealth fighter program took a noticeable step forward this week when the first high-resolution photographs appeared on Chinese non-governmental websites of a prototype of the Chengdu J-20 fighter being built for the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)

In the photos, the J-20 appears to be conducting a high-speed taxi test. There have been suggestions the photographs are fake, including questions over the unusually large Chinese red star painted on the tail. PLAAF red star insignias are normally smaller with parallel adjacent red bands.

In the past, due largely to grainy photos taken by cell phones, the existence of the J-20 was treated with some skepticism by many observers.

However, the newest photos are "the real deal," said Richard Fisher, an Asia military affairs analyst at the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center.

The photos reveal the J-20 has a canard-delta twin-engine configuration, diverter-less supersonic intakes, and a shaped nose consistent with the use of an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

The J-20 design is similar to the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the Sukhoi T-50 fighters. Sources indicate the twin-engine J-20 prototype could be using the Russian-built Saturn 117S (AL-41F1A) engine, the same being used in the T-50 and Su-35 prototypes. China has expressed interest in procuring large quantities of the Saturn 117S from Russia and rumors at the recent Zhuhai Airshow in China indicate a J-20 prototype had been outfitted with the 117S.

There is also the possibility the prototype is being outfitted with the Chinese-built Shenyang WS-10 or WS-15 engine.

"At first glance this fighter has the potential to be competitive with the F-22 and to be an efficient F-35 killer," Fisher said. Fisher is the author of the new book, "China's Military Modernization."

The release of the J-20 photos follows comments made last week by U.S. Pacific Commander Robert Willard in the Japanese media that China had reached the "initial operational capability" of its first anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), the Dong Feng 21D. The DF-21D has been dubbed the "aircraft carrier killer" in China, a reference to China's overall anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) strategy.

China's ability to undermine two critical pillars of U.S. deterrence in Asia, with the ASBM and now with the advent of its first 5th generation fighter, "points to a real crisis in U.S. political-military leadership" in Asia, Fisher said.

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kinda fail in the info

T-50 uses article 117(non serial production; albeit modified or "new" as the designer would put it) not 117S(S=serial production)

and the J-XX bort. 2001 (Wei Long) will most prolly use AL-31 found in Su-30MKK or the indigenous WS-10 series(WS-18 long term)

AL-41F1A(117S) is used by the Su-35S(not BM, otherwise it would be T-10BM)

and yes, Russian designations are a pain(been corrected a lot of times by flateric)

Chinese are yet to release an AESA... prolly still mechanically steered PESA which may be logical since the nose is wide

anyway, the J-XX is estimated to be larger than both the F-22 and T-50 given the size of the cockpit...

I reckon it would be in serial production as early as 2015 given that their average development time is 5 years(recent)

in terms of design, it's definitely designed to supercruise... most probably limited to m=1.5 since single piece frameless canopies are not designed for prolonged supercruising above that speed(YF-23 which had a framed canopy can supercruise at m=1.7); in reference, a clean Su-35S with 117S was able to supercruise at m=1.3

it has DSI side mounted intakes and utilizes the bump for "diverting" low energy pressure, compression and blocking the compressor face. it also has the advantage of having easier maintenance and less weight unlike intakes with splitter plates. pressure recovery from the half-offset S-duct is eased by the length though they have the disadvantage in terms of performance at high alpha and beta although AL-31 engines are known for their tolerance(which also makes them ideal for testing airframes)

I reckon the current engines are temporary and will be eventually replaced by WS-18 which is currently in parallel development. the way the engines are placed hints a flat nozzle in the future...

similar to this:

there is also a rumor that there's already a second prototype for testing flight systems while the first one is obviously a taxi trial airframe(kinda weird that they decided to paint it)

it's funny that they also copied how the Russians test their planes... T-50-0 for taxi trials(and drag chute) and T-50-1 for flight testing

[Zeus]

Hintayin na lang natin yung stealth fighter ng China...



http://www.dailymailtimes.com/?p=693

Baka mas ok pa maging uncle si uncle Chin, mga bagong fighter plane tulad nito ang ibigay sa atin...di tulad ni uncle Sam, panay luma ang binibigay

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Baka mas ok pa maging uncle si uncle Chin, mga bagong fighter plane tulad nito ang ibigay sa atin...di tulad ni uncle Sam, panay luma ang binibigay

i'd say it's highly unlikely. It's one thing to provide fighter jets to a country to *defend* its borders, it's another to give them a plane that is mainly *offensive* in nature.


And i don't think any of our pilots -- by no fault of their own since we can barely afford planes that don't crash -- are trained to handle anything that high-tech. i'd say they'd be quite confused with the instrument panels of any current fighter plane.


imho, we'd be lucky to get their current "workhorse" planes.

[Monseratto]

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-J-XX-Prototype.html

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mali yung planform ng trailing edge ng wing saka yung LEX

parallel dapat yung trailing edge na merong high camber profile

atsaka wag kayo masyado nagpapaniwala kay Carlo Kopp

agenda lang nun e magkaroon ng F-22 yung Australia which is very unlikely to happen

anyway, *kakalipad* lang kahapon

taxi "VIDIO":


mukhang WS-10 nga ang ginamit na engine though some believe it's the WS-15

[safeorigin]

hmmm... magkano kaya aabutin yung LS-X ng indonesia or yung I3 ng Japan...

[Monseratto]

Pwede na rin mga gawa ng mga mumbai...

HAL Tejas





or Pakistan-China J-17

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJDI4OHtzsw"]YouTube - Youtube首å?‘： ä¸*国四代机滑跑视频（2011-01-05） J-20 Stealth Fighter Flight Test[/ame]

well, it's not a flight video but a taxi trial run...

I hope the guy who took the "VIDIO" will live after this

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[safeorigin]

center of lift further to the back and center of gravity at the front makes it highly stable...

so I reckon it's an interceptor

[safeorigin]

kaya naman pala painted...

para magpapicture ang mga top brass ng Chinese military...

pansinin niyo yung nozzle, polished din!:rofl:

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-double poast-

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RIP in peace to the pilots. 6 S-211s to go...

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/219057/r...ne-crash-found

Body of missing pilot in Bataan plane crash found

04/29/2011 | 09:22 AM

Army troops have finally recovered the body of the missing Philippine Air Force (PAF) pilot killed in a plane crash on April 28, a military official said.

In an interview on dzBB radio on Friday, Air Force spokesperson Lt. Col. Miguel Okol confirmed the military has recovered the body of the plane's missing co-pilot identified as Capt. Raymond de Leon.

Okol said the body was recovered underwater around 7 a.m. Friday.

On April 28, an S-211 plane of the PAF crashed in Banawang village near the Stela Mariz Beach Resort in Bataan, moments after it took off from Clark Air Base around 3:15 p.m. Thursday.

The S-211 trainer jet is an old aircraft of the PAF, being with the air force since 1991, Okol said.

According to him, the PAF still has six other S-211 units but these are grounded while an investigation on the plane crash is ongoing.

"As of this time, we're not going to let those aircraft fly until we find out substantial information on what really happened," Okol said.

In an earlier text message to media on Friday, Okol said the PAF condoles with the families of Capt. De Leon, combat-ready pilot; and Maj. Ephraim M. Suyom, a PAF instructor pilot, who was earlier reported killed in the incident. — Emmanuel Louis Bacani/LBG/RSJ, GMA News

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^ 2 PMA topnetchers pala yung mga pilots.

RIP.......

[timrev]

DND Eyes Indonesian-Made Surveillance Plane
DND Eyes Indonesian-Made Surveillance Plane | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

gumagawa pala ang Indonesia ng surveillance plane eto kaya yun?

CN-235

[yapoy86]

galing nila.. naiwan na talaga tayo...

well at least may eat bulaga na sila ngayon.. gawang pinoy...

[uls]

DND Eyes Indonesian-Made Surveillance Plane
DND Eyes Indonesian-Made Surveillance Plane | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

gumagawa pala ang Indonesia ng surveillance plane eto kaya yun?

di mo alam meron aircraft manufacturers ang Indonesia?

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