The Perpetual NBA Thread

[mikaztro]

Who wil win, USA's best or Team Europe etal?

TEAM USA
C-Shaq Oneal
F-Kevin Garnett
F-Tracy Mcgrady
G-Kobe Bryant
G-Allen Iverson


C-Jermain Oneal
F-Ben Wallace
F-Vince Carter
G-Steve Francis
G-Jason Kidd

Reserves:
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce


INTERNATIONAL TEAM
C-Yao Ming
F-Tim Duncan
F-Dirk Nowitzki
G-Pedja Stojakovic
G-Steve Nash

C-Pau Gasol
F-Andrei Kirilenko
F-Jamaal Magloire
G-Manu Ginobili
G-Tony Parker

Reserves:
Hedo Turkoglu
Zydrunas Ilgauskas

[theveed]

Galing ni AK kagabi... hehe I really admire Sloan, kahit anong ibato mo he'll make something out of the team... Lupet din ni Boozer...

[kimpOy]

iba talaga ang ang fetish ni sloan sa white/semi-white players

[theveed]

in today's league, white guys have better fundamentals than the lebron-minded kids... Malone and Duncan lang naiisip ko na itim na ok fundamentals eh hehe.

[ILuvDetailing]

Don't forget about Kobe, he's as fundamentally as sound a player as there is in the League. He just makes a lot of spectacular plays thats why it gets overshadowed.

[theveed]

Being fundamentally sound covers your skill to become a team player, Kobe doens't fit my bill on that one, rarely do highschool players play disciplined fundamental bball, Kobe got some from playing in Italy, but far cry from being "fundamentally sound" for a pro IMO.

[mikaztro]

Lacking in FUNDAMENTALS is the main reason why TEAM USA lost the Gold in the Athens Olympics.

I think players with good fundamentals are the ones who can (dribble & shoot the ball with ease left/right, adept passing, sound free throw shooting, unrelenting rebounding, defensive audacity and teamanship skills).

There are international players who have good fundamentals like:

Dirk Nowitzki, Peja Stojakovic, Pau Gasol and Manu Ginobilli.

White Americans who have it are:

Larry Bird, Chris Mullin, Kevin Mchale, Mike Bibby, Rick Barry, Pete Maravich and Bob Cousy to name a few.

Underrated players with good fundamentals:
Tayshaun Prince, Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard, Bobby Jackson, Jalen Rose, Deshawn Stevenson, Hedo Turkoglu, Marco Jaric, Bob Sura, Vlad Radmanovic, Zach Randolph, Kareem Rush, Eduardo Najera, Gilbert Arenas, Ron Mercer, Matt Harping, Eddie Griffin, Brent Barry, Jiri Welsch, Luke Jackson, and yes!... Yuta Tabuse.

[ram]

Kobe likes to pass if the team is winning. Otherwise, he wants to get the ball. Period. That's why Shaq got the boot. Payback time for Shaq :badboy:

[luloym]

it's early in the season, folks. team's true worth should come out december.

[ILuvDetailing]

Kobe can be one of the best passers in the L if he wants to the problem is his willingness... Lets see he can pass, shoot, dribble, play defense. Kobe came into a league as an raw 17yr old, but he developed and polished his game and won three championships playing within the triangle.

mikaztro: mmm... How can you include Deshawn Stevenson and Eddie Griffin on your list of "underated" fundamentally sound players???

[theveed]

Luloym: Team's true worth comes on in April, when they win the finals hehe...

ILUVDETAILING: The big word is "IF", if Steve Francis dribbles less, he'll be unstoppable... If Shaq works on his freethrow, no more hack a Shaq... and since he doesn't he's not currently a good passer then... An attribute should be based on results and stats, not potential... Yao has the potential to block 10 and rebound 20 every game... he came to the league at 18 btw, bawal ang under 18 sa NBA.

[ownertype]

Originally posted by kimpOy
iba talaga ang ang fetish ni sloan sa white/semi-white players

yung isa pa nila rookie na forward si Kris Humphries nung una kala ko egoy, guess what another hulking white boy. Si Bell, Boozer, Eisley di naman kaitiman (kung si kulay ni KG ang batayan).

[theveed]

May albino bang NBA player?

San team napunta yung Japanese guard? Yung kinut ng Denver sa training camp...

[ILuvDetailing]

"Fundamentally Sound" can be subjective, well almost all the players in the NBA are have good fundamentals, the great ones simply work harder at their fundamentals/skills and add more to their game every year... KG, Kobe, MJ in his prime are good examples, KG is nearing his prime and I feel is a better player than TD, Kobe is also nearing his prime and has added a move or two in his arsenal every year, As for MJ well you know the story. TD and Karl Malone (in his prime) are very good but not better that KG in terms of all around brilliance. Peace

mmm... bawal na pala under 18 ngayon.

Anyway Tabuse is with the Phoenix Suns if am not mistaken.

[kimpOy]

correct, kahit ynug mga kalaro dito sa amin fundamentally sound,

kaya nga may training camp, prospected players are only invited.

also correct that the great ones (once) work harder to add more to their game,
sadly to other players they loose their fundamental sitting on the bench/injuries/age, they lose a step as they say.

[mikaztro]

Originally posted by ILuvDetailing
mikaztro: mmm... How can you include Deshawn Stevenson and Eddie Griffin on your list of "underated" fundamentally sound players???

Yes, I included Deshawn Stevenson & Eddie Griffin in my list of under-rated players with good fundamentals.

DeShawn Stevenson:
(good fundamentals but lacking in experience & direction)
23rd pick overall of the 2000 NBA Draft from Washington HS. With 12 ppg, 4rebs, 2asts average last year playing for Orlando. Player with no College ball experience whatsoever.

Eddie Griffin:(defensive oriented player with satisfactory shooting)7th pick overall in 2001.

Drafted out of Seton Hall. led Seton Hall with averages of 17.8 points, 10.8 rebounds and 4.4 blocks.

Made the NBA rookie team 01-02. In 01-02 became the first rookie and just the sixth player in NBA history to average more than one blocked shot and one 3-pointer made per game in a season. With averages last year of (9ppg, 2blks, 6rebs in 25mins of action).

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It doesn't mean that a player with no college ball experience doesn't posses good fundamentals. Kobe, Lebron, Tmac, Garnett to name a few have it. They just have to learn teamanship and elevate their leadership potential just as Kobe & Garnett do right now. Through time, they will achieve it with ease.

[ILuvDetailing]

I saw Eddie Griffin play a couple of seasons ago before he got busted, he's strictly a 3 point shooter, no low post moves, good at help defense, not so sure about his straight up defense. What am trying to say is that he lacks the commitment to develop his skills further, maybe he has the raw talent and good fundamentals but he has yet to show the willingness to put in the time to develop. Sure he's was a good college player and made the all rookie team, but he has not progressed enough, if at all.

Same can be said for Stevenson (Good midrange shooter, suspect handle, average passer very athletic). Sure he has good averages, but he plays for a lottery team, he has not developed his game enough in his 3 or 4 years in the L.

Like what I said before almost all the players in the NBA have good fundamentals, its a matter of putting in the time to develop their skills.

[mikaztro]

Originally posted by ILuvDetailing
I saw Eddie Griffin play a couple of seasons ago before he got busted, he's strictly a 3 point shooter, no low post moves, good at help defense, not so sure about his straight up defense. What am trying to say is that he lacks the commitment to develop his skills further, maybe he has the raw talent and good fundamentals but he has yet to show the willingness to put in the time to develop. Sure he's was a good college player and made the all rookie team, but he has not progressed enough, if at all.

Same can be said for Stevenson (Good midrange shooter, suspect handle, average passer very athletic). Sure he has good averages, but he plays for a lottery team, he has not developed his game enough in his 3 or 4 years in the L.

Like what I said before almost all the players in the NBA have good fundamentals, its a matter of putting in the time to develop their skills.

Yup! I agree with you. Players with good fundamentals needs exposure, trust of the coach, maximize his potentials and enthusiasm to reach his goals.

That is the sad part, some if we may call them under-rated players are always under the shadow of the more popular players. Their talent and fundamentals gone to waste.

[empy]

so what else is happening with the nba?

hindi ako makapanood ng tv...naloloko kasi sa GTA: San Andreas eh :bwahaha:

[ILuvDetailing]

Surprise surprise the Magic are now 2-0 thanks to a couple of Franchise's buzzer beaters. Rockets are 0-2. Kings 0-2.

Watch out for the Nuggets and Timberwolves, if they meet again in the playoffs there will be lots of fireworks. Kenyon Martin will be huge.

Tabuse is officially the 1st Japanese player in signed in the NBA... great news. Kailan kaya tayo magkakaroon ng player sa NBA.