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    #37761
    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    I feel awful. I'm afraid to take a covid test. Sobrang malas ko naman kung ma strike 2 pa ko. I already had delta variant and suffered so much from it

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    Do the test ASAP. It’s not for you but for the seniors na kasama mo. Go into civic isolation protocol na. Don’t delay it.


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    Protection no longer possible...

    Recently, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna reported that their bivalent shots yielded antibody levels in study participants that were four to six times higher than those produced by the original vaccine.

    But the companies were measuring antibodies against BA.4 and BA.5, not the rapidly accelerating BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 variants. A spate of preliminary research suggests that the updated boosters, introduced in September, are only marginally better than the original vaccines at protecting against the newer variants — if at all.

    The studies are small, based on laboratory tests, and have not yet been vetted for publication in a scientific journal. But results from several teams generally agree.

    “It’s not likely that any of the vaccines or boosters, no matter how many you get, will provide substantial and sustained protection against acquisition of infection,” said Dr. Dan Barouch, head of Beth Israel Deaconess’ Center for Virology and Vaccine Research, who helped develop the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

    Designing a vaccine for an evolving virus is a formidable challenge. Pfizer, Moderna and federal regulators had to choose which coronavirus variants to target earlier this year, so enough vaccine could be manufactured by the fall.

    But BA.4 has all but disappeared. BA.5 now accounts for less than 30% of cases and is swiftly receding. BQ.1, on the other hand, has sent numbers soaring in Europe. That virus and its close relative, BQ.1.1, now account for 44% of U.S. coronavirus infections.

    In recent research, Barouch’s team found that BQ.1.1 is roughly seven times as resistant to the body’s immune defenses as BA.5, and 175 times more so than the original coronavirus.
    Will COVID Boosters Prevent Another Wave? Scientists Aren't So Sure.

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    #37763
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post





    kahit anong vaccine gawin, the virus will keep producing variants that will escape antibodies

    unlike other viruses, SARSCOV2 evolves fast
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    #37764
    I have test pa pala that I brought from the US. Buti di pa expired, pero not sure if accurate kasi nag spill some of the drops so I added again. I'll do another test tomorrow

    Pero ang sama talaga ng sipon ko at nanghihina ako. I don't know what's wrong with me e I drink so much vitamins and eat pineapple daily



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    #37765
    ^
    ano klase sipon mo madaling tumulo or kailangan ipilit isinga???

    meron ka rock salt jan na HINDI iodized? Ibabad mo sa dila mo. Kung biglang ka pinawisan at lumakas eh ayan ang lunas.

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    #37766
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
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    ano klase sipon mo madaling tumulo or kailangan ipilit isinga???

    meron ka rock salt jan na HINDI iodized? Ibabad mo sa dila mo. Kung biglang ka pinawisan at lumakas eh ayan ang lunas.
    Runny nose, pero pag sininga ko mabilis naman lumabas. I did another test. Salamat sa Poong Hesus Nazareno at negative [emoji120] But then ang sama talaga ng pakiramdam ko Feverish ako

    Mahirap maghanap ng rock salt saka katakot naman nagbabad ng salt e di mag shoot up sodium ko?

    Na harass na naman ilong ko. I did 3 tests today [emoji15]





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    #37767
    ^
    wag ka matakot sa asin. Try mo kung mali.ako but asusual tama ako. Subok ko na yan sa paligid ko sa trueQC kaya kahit unvaxx ako they dont mind. Kasi result matters.

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    #37768
    the truth of the matter is,
    many illnesses spontaneously resolve, even if no "medication" is taken.

    so if one took fried frogs' gallbladders, and the illness resolves as-is-its-nature-but-the-human-does-not-know-it-does,
    the fried gallbladders come out as "miraculous", and the person advocating it then appears as "hulog nang langit".
    heh heh.

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    #37769
    https://www.bworldonline.com/opinion...YGrIz3es-hdcc#


    Move on after their COVID tyranny? Never!
    November 10, 2022 | 5:24 pm

    Being Right
    By Jemy Gatdula


    It’s almost like dialogue straight out of the movie Airplane!

    COVID “experts”: Let’s just move on, this demand for accountability will get us nowhere.


    Normal people: “No accountability,” what’s that?

    COVID “experts”: It’s when people do or say anything without consequences, but that’s not important right now.

    Laughable, perhaps. But essentially what Emily Oster wrote in her Atlantic piece (“Let’s declare a pandemic amnesty,” October 2022), calling for people to move on and forget the relentless demands to mask up, vaccinate, and be locked down. Needless to say, her article generated an outrage firestorm.

    Forgive and forget? COVID tyrants shrieked in a deranged manner: “just put the damn mask on!,” “stay home, save lives!,” “buhay muna bago negosyo (life before business),” “do you want to kill others,” and “don’t be selfish!” They demanded mandatory vaccination, locked-up children at home or forced them to sit at their desks fully masked, and (worse of all) prohibited people from visiting family members or even to bury their dead — only to see doctors and nurses dancing on TikTok — for two freakin’ years and we’re now supposed to act as if nothing happened?

    Include among those that wanted people to be deprived of their rights those members of the clergy who simply forgot what courage is and let their faithful be lost for years on end.

    These are the “Catholic authorities and experts who followed those in the government and the media who now say ‘we didn’t know’ — but who at the time were obviously silencing discussion (let alone criticism).

    “These Catholics insisted on following calls to mask and vaccinate, using religious authority, theological arguments, and the virtue of obedience to harm persons, families, and consciences.

    “This group includes various bishops’ conferences, bishops, vicar generals, pastors, parish administrators, theologians, and ethicists, not to mention random pundits, columnists, and podcasters. Many are left-leaning, politically.” They all “abdicated their duty to defend personal autonomy and bodily integrity, as well as justice and right reason.” (“No COVID amnesty for bishops, theologians, et al., either,” Leila Lawler, Happy Despite Them: No Covid amnesty for bishops, theologians, et al., either, November 2022)

    All simply because they let fear get the better of them, knew it, and thus wanted everyone to join in their misery, these COVID tyrants insisted that those wanting to decide for themselves about their own health should lose their jobs, see their children deprived of an education, be either trapped in their own homes or forcibly removed from it, threatened even with starvation (unbelievably, there was this insane suggestion to not let the unvaccinated enter groceries), be deprived of the sacraments and personal spiritual consolation. To lose any and all constitutional rights.

    In short: it was demanded people be punished simply for not being scared of a virus with a 99% survival rate and for using their brains.

    Never forget.

    Ah, but people like Ms. Oster would say: “In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing.”

    Not really. And, yes it is.

    Precisely because things were so uncertain, particularly in 2020 and 2021 (regarding lockdowns, masks, and vaccines), it was all the more important that each person be allowed to take responsibility for his or her own health. The fact that those terrified of COVID, many narcissistically so, would bully others when they themselves knew next to nothing about it, is the true act of selfishness. And of being utterly unthinking.

    A variation of the COVID defense would argue: “But we didn’t know. Nobody knew then.” But we knew that people didn’t know. We knew then that science could change when more facts came in. And yet, even without waiting for studies, common sense and history already told us that lockdowns and mandatory public masking didn’t work, that they have never been employed in such massive scale effectively. Common sense and history also told us to be wary of a drug that did not exist two years ago.

    Indeed, common sense and history tells us there’s something deeply strange about medical “experts” and media so fanatically hard-selling a new and basically untested vaccine and yet see those very same experts and media be very dismissive of medicines (e.g., ivermectin) that have been around and tested for decades.
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    continuation last part

    And now?

    Now that studies have confirmed that lockdowns were ineffective at stopping COVID transmission, that it did nothing to keep the death rates down, and yet caused vast economic devastation and millions of lost livelihoods;

    Now that research is confirming that masks are basically ineffective in stopping COVID transmission, while at the same time subjecting the wearer to all sorts of bacteria, as well as speech problems in the young;

    Now that a deluge of reports has come out that vaccines were ineffective in stopping COVID transmission, without beneficial effects for those below 60 years of age and healthy, and yet see vaccinated healthy young people suddenly fall ill or die of myocarditis or sudden adult death syndrome, of women having menstrual and fertility issues, pregnant women having complications, with birth rates across the globe falling down while excess deaths have gone up;

    Now, after all the insults, threats, and even outright deprivation of civil rights, now that they have been proven wrong — about lockdowns and masks and vaccines — these supposed medical “experts,” our “betters” in government and media, the self-righteous scolds in the clergy and the academe, the mask-wearing-never-leaving-the-house-and-triple-vaxxed-and-boosted virtue signalers now want to ignore and forget all that and demand that we just “move on”?

    Heck no.

    If they are not asking for forgiveness (in fact, many are still even now doubling down on lockdowns, masks, and vaccines against all reason, facts, data, logic), then forgiveness will not be given. And even if they did, forgiveness is given only with contrition. And even with contrition, forgiveness needs to be coupled with justice. And justice must be had.

    Also, two words: moral hazard.

    And, again, emphasizing what this column repeatedly pointed out: “public officials and employees, contractors, manufacturers, volunteers, and representatives of duly authorized private entities” can be sued and held liable if proven that they acted with “willful misconduct and gross negligence” in using or administering COVID vaccines. Republic Act No. 11525 set aside P500 million to compensate people “inoculated through the COVID-19 Vaccination Program” and because of it suffered “severe adverse effects” including “death, permanent disability or hospital confinement.”

    Furthermore, the Employee Compensation Commission (ECC) moved to “grant compensation to all covered members who got vaccinated under the COVID-19 Vaccination Program in the event of disability, serious adverse effects or death that may arise despite the proper use of authorized COVID-19 vaccines” (ECC Board Resolution No. 21-03-08, March 2021). Such a policy was intended to cover “loss of income benefits, medical benefits, death and funeral benefits, and rehabilitation services. ECC shall grant EC benefits upon confirmation of the SSS and GSIS of the causal connection between the vaccination and its medical consequences as supported by relevant medical records and/or findings.”

    PhilHealth, in turn, is mandated to “compensate persons inoculated through the National COVID-19 Vaccination Program in case of death, permanent disability, and hospital confinement for serious adverse effects. The COVID-19 Vaccine Injury Compensation Package, as stated in PhilHealth Circular (PC) No. 2021-0007, is on top of the National Health Insurance Program (NHIP) benefits.

    “Under the NHIP, all Filipinos including those who will claim for the vaccine injury compensation are eligible for PhilHealth benefits. For hospital confinement, the inpatient benefits shall be based on the applicable case rates. It shall be deducted from the hospital bill and shall be claimed by the hospitals through the usual process and procedures.”

    And it is untrue that private institutions are free to discriminate against the unvaccinated or unmasked. Be it businesses, schools, or residential condominiums: they have no right to violate the constitutional prescription that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or be denied the equal protection of laws.

    Violation of constitutional rights (e.g., by discriminating against the unvaccinated or forcing people to wear masks) could render such private establishment liable for damages under a myriad of laws, including the Civil Code, particularly Articles 19, 20, 26, and particularly Article 32: Any public officer or employee, or any private individual, who directly or indirectly obstructs, defeats, violates or in any manner impedes or impairs any right or liberty of another person shall be liable to the latter for damages, which includes: freedom of religion; freedom of speech; freedom from arbitrary or illegal detention; the right against deprivation of property without due process of law; the right to the equal protection of the laws; the right to be secure in one’s person, house, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures; the liberty of abode and of changing the same; and the right to take part in peaceful assembly to petition the Government for redress of grievances.

    Filipinos that suffered serious adverse effects (or had a family member that died) due to COVID vaccination are strongly encouraged to document their experiences and claim government compensation, or (as provided by law) prosecute and hold accountable those that forced or misled them into taking the vaccines.

    People should save, screenshot, and download posts, articles, memes, memos, e-mails of doctors, government officials, employers that forced them to be vaccinated. Especially from 2020-2021. Aside from illness or death, if you or a family member lost employment, income, education, or suffered stress, the need for accountability is clear. Legally complain also against people or establishments (public or private) forcing you to wear masks.

    These “experts” and the COVID self-righteous must be held responsible for their arrogance, bullying, and incompetence.



    Jemy Gatdula is a senior fellow of the Philippine Council for Foreign Relations and a Philippine Judicial Academy law lecturer for constitutional philosophy and jurisprudence

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    Kailan ba nagkaroon ng acccountability ang medical community of the philippines????? in the first place hindi nga sila healthy. Puro mga kapit sa mercurydrug yan my gawd.

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    #37771
    Kaya pala gumaling ang hika ko nung kumain ako ng butiki [emoji38][emoji3577]

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    #37772
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    continuation last part




    Kailan ba nagkaroon ng acccountability ang medical community of the philippines????? in the first place hindi nga sila healthy. Puro mga kapit sa mercurydrug yan my gawd.
    sa total population ng pinas ay 1% lang ang medical community kaya huwag na choosy...

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    #37773
    easy for you to say, because you and many others are still alive.
    but what about the what-ifs?

    while foresight is at times murky,
    hindsight is usually 20-20 vision.

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    #37774
    doc, bago kita replyan may kwento ako, pag nasa bangko ako eh ako lang walang maskara. Pag nasa mall naman eh mga foreigner at ako lang ang walang mask.

    May sahpak talaga mga peeenoise.. Dati na required pa eh nagrereklamo pero ngayon optional na eh doon biglang nagmask. Ibang klase parang nakadrugs!!!! Saan ba kasi grumadweyt

    so ito magreply na ako sayo.

    hindi mo ako pwede sabihian ng hindsight is 20/20. Ako lang sa tsikot na broadcast & proud na unvaccinated!!!! Imagine of all username here in tsikot ako ang sasabihan ng hindisight hindisight. Ako na laging lumalabas ng bahay nung kasagsagan ng pandemic.

    ang nahihindsight ngayon yung mga bakunado.

    matulog muna ako. Mamaya pag sinipag ako ill elaborate.

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    #37775
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    doc, bago kita replyan may kwento ako, pag nasa bangko ako eh ako lang walang maskara. Pag nasa mall naman eh mga foreigner at ako lang ang walang mask.

    May sahpak talaga mga peeenoise.. Dati na required pa eh nagrereklamo pero ngayon optional na eh doon biglang nagmask. Ibang klase parang nakadrugs!!!! Saan ba kasi grumadweyt

    so ito magreply na ako sayo.

    hindi mo ako pwede sabihian ng hindsight is 20/20. Ako lang sa tsikot na broadcast & proud na unvaccinated!!!! Imagine of all username here in tsikot ako ang sasabihan ng hindisight hindisight. Ako na laging lumalabas ng bahay nung kasagsagan ng pandemic.

    ang nahihindsight ngayon yung mga bakunado.

    matulog muna ako. Mamaya pag sinipag ako ill elaborate.
    you can claim what you like now, because you are still alive.
    yan ang katas nang 20-20 hindsight.

    ah!
    night shift ka pala.
    sweet dreams.
    Last edited by dr. d; November 22nd, 2022 at 10:10 AM.

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    #37776
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    doc, bago kita replyan may kwento ako, pag nasa bangko ako eh ako lang walang maskara. Pag nasa mall naman eh mga foreigner at ako lang ang walang mask.

    May sahpak talaga mga peeenoise.. Dati na required pa eh nagrereklamo pero ngayon optional na eh doon biglang nagmask. Ibang klase parang nakadrugs!!!! Saan ba kasi grumadweyt

    so ito magreply na ako sayo.

    hindi mo ako pwede sabihian ng hindsight is 20/20. Ako lang sa tsikot na broadcast & proud na unvaccinated!!!! Imagine of all username here in tsikot ako ang sasabihan ng hindisight hindisight. Ako na laging lumalabas ng bahay nung kasagsagan ng pandemic.

    ang nahihindsight ngayon yung mga bakunado.

    matulog muna ako. Mamaya pag sinipag ako ill elaborate.
    T*n91n* e takot ka nga pumunta ng covid ward ng hospitals nung kasagsagan ng covid e. Sinabi ko na nga ako mag sponsor ng lian hua mo. Puro ka salita.
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    ^
    eh hinamon mo ako tapos ang price lian hua!!!! Sino naman gaganahan yan. Tapos hindi ako kumagat eh takot na.

    Saan ba nacocovid mga tao???? Lahat na pinuntahan ko crowded places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
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    eh hinamon mo ako tapos ang price lian hua!!!! Sino naman gaganahan yan. Tapos hindi ako kumagat eh takot na.

    Saan ba nacocovid mga tao???? Lahat na pinuntahan ko crowded places.
    Takot ka lang talaga. Pinagmamalaki mo lian hua dapat patunayan mo. Lahat ng mga pinagsasabi mo puro imagination mo, it was the right moment to prove to everyone lahat ng pinagsasabi mo yet takot ka.
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    #37779
    wala daw siya takot sa germs

    bulletproof ang kanyang immune system

    pero nagdadala ng sariling tuwalya sa motel haha

    #notconsistent

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    #37780
    Sobrang bullsh!t na mga pinagsasabi
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