China Corona Virus Outbreak

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All Women under the age of 50.

All six cases occurred in women ages 18 to 48, with symptoms developing six to 13 days after they received the shot.

The blood-clotting disorder is called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, and it was only reported in individuals who also had low levels of blood platelets, a condition called thrombocytopenia.

“The real thing that is so notable here is not just the cerebral venous sinus thrombosis or the thrombocytopenia,” Dr. Peter Marks, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said during a separate media briefing. “Those two things can occur. It’s their occurrence together that makes a pattern, and that pattern is very, very similar to what was seen in Europe.”

Rare blood clots tied to J&J’s COVID-19 shot are similar to issues with AstraZeneca’s vaccine, FDA official says - MarketWatch

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Australia reports second AstraZeneca blood clot case, vaccine rollout steady | ABS-CBN News

[dr. d]

Maybe they should prescribe blood thinners sa viral vector vaccine recipients as a precaution.

coming from a non-medical person, that's a very good idea!
coming from a medical person, that's still a very good idea.
let's wait for a medical specialist, for his comments.
this vaccine cum blood clot issue can be a very complicated issue...

[bloowolf]

Maybe they should prescribe blood thinners sa viral vector vaccine recipients as a precaution.

No doctor will prescribe a blood thinner as a precaution unless the patients history warrants it but, the signs for clotting will be something to watch out for.


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[dr. d]

No doctor will prescribe a blood thinner as a precaution unless the patients history warrants it but, the signs for clotting will be something to watch out for.


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there have been instances in the past, in some research protocols,
when the evidence was strong, that withholding "treatment" was verging on criminal negligence...

the problem with blood clots,
is that by the time it is evident,
it may already be too late to take action.

animal models are...
less litiginous.

[ray_noel]

Yun mga nag positive after completed shots ba? Like yun mga HCW, tingin ko puro mild yun or asymtomatic like doon sa orthopedic, Hindd siguro malalaman na positive sila kung walang schedule test sa kanila.

Isa pa yan, they ca get the sinovac now then pag dumating na yun orders nila then pwede na siguro sila pabakuna ulit. Mas gusto pa yun hinde tested na gamot kesa sa vaccine? It doesn't make sense.

Takot sila mamatay sa covid or magkaroon pero andyan na yun sagot sa takot nila, ayaw pa rin?


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Ito yung..., Di bale na magka infection basta hintay lang sa pfizer... at huwag sinovac...


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A balancing act between benefits and risks: making sense of the latest vaccine news

Understanding risk
It’s important to note every therapeutic agent (a drug or a vaccine, for example) carries the risk of unintended consequences. For most of us, most of the time, this will be minimal. This is a biological reality reflecting the interconnectedness and complexity of the human body.

So like for any other therapeutic agents, there are risks as well as benefits we have to accept in taking COVID vaccines. What we need to do is to weigh up these risks against the benefits.

We make these sorts of calculations every day in all aspects of our lives. When we decide to get in the car, we know there’s a risk associated with driving. But we assess the risks are worth taking as the benefits of getting where we want to go quickly are worth it.

Mostly, we make these calculations without being consciously aware we’re doing it. Sometimes the parameters underlying these calculations are easy to grapple with — but sometimes they’re more nebulous.

Weighing up the risks and benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine
We know the vaccine offers near-complete protection against severe disease and death from COVID-19.

We also know severe side effects from the vaccine, in particular vaccine induced prothrombotic immune thrombocytopenia (VIPIT, the blood-clotting disorder in question), are extremely rare. But the condition is serious and around 25% of people have died after developing VIPIT.

There are a range of estimates of how often this syndrome occurs. But it’s generally accepted its incidence is about 4-6 cases per million doses of vaccine.

To put it in perspective, this puts the risk in the same order of magnitude to the average risk of dying if you complete a marathon, go scuba diving, or rock climbing.

It’s also important to note that we’ve started to see a pattern in that those who are at higher risk of this syndrome tend to be younger and tend to be women. We don’t have a clear understanding of why this is, but recognising this is really helpful in terms of making decisions about how to mitigate this risk.

Why the balancing act isn’t so easy
Although we have a pretty good understanding of the rate of severe outcomes from COVID-19, since we have over 12 months’ experience now of this illness, context is important. There are different levels of risk depending on where you live and what the rate of transmission in the community is.

While it’s all well and good in some countries to say you’re more likely to get very sick with or die from COVID than experience a complication from the vaccine, in Australia we have next to no COVID, so the risk of adverse outcomes from COVID is much lower. This needs to be factored into the equation.

We also have different strains of the virus, which can vary in how infectious they are and how sick they might make you. This also needs to be added to the mix.

In acknowledging the difficulty in completing these risk-benefit analyses, it’s really helpful to use a visualisation the University of Cambridge has put together based on UK data, which we’ve adapted here, comparing the risks and benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

[bloowolf]

there have been instances in the past, in some research protocols,
when the evidence was strong, that withholding "treatment" was verging on criminal negligence...

the problem with blood clots,
is that by the time it is evident,
it may already be too late to take action.

animal models are...
less litiginous.

Opine ko lang yun doc. & medicine is a continually changing field.


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[dr. d]

Ito yung..., Di bale na magka infection basta hintay lang sa pfizer... at huwag sinovac...


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the infectious disease expert already said it:
"the best vaccine is the one that's already available."
i can only imagine how many turn-arounds he caused, when he turned up for his own vaccination schedule.
this is the reason why i feel our leaders should set the example, so's the rest of the populace agree to get vaccinated.
dito na lang sa neighborhood namin, ang daming ayaw magpa-vaccuna.

[ray_noel]

Ang hirap yun alagain na meron caregiver tapos iinom gamot lagpas 15 tablet prescription medicine tapos kailangan pa S2 prescription para makatulog. Hindi na productive life.

Ito na ba yung kino consider as mercy killing, right to die and euthanisia?


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[dr. d]

Opine ko lang yun doc. & medicine is a continually changing field.


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well,
everything covid is new here.
it's the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" season.
kahit ano ang gawin mo, may pipintas pa rin.
"if we are gonna get tarred and feathered, let it be for something we did, and not something we didn't do."

[ray_noel]

the infectious disease expert already said it:
"the best vaccine is the one that's already available."
i can only imagine how many turn-arounds he caused, when he turned up for his own vaccination schedule.
this is the reason why i feel our leaders should set the example, so's the rest of the populace agree to get vaccinated.
dito na lang sa neighborhood namin, ang daming ayaw magpa-vaccuna.

Mabilis kumalat ang negative news sa media compared to positive... kaya madami naniniwala sa fake news...


si covid-19 lang yata mabilis sa positive doc...


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[bloowolf]

well,
everything covid is new here.
it's the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" season.
kahit ano ang gawin mo, may pipintas pa rin.
"if we are gonna get tarred and feathered, let it be for something we did, and not something we didn't do."

Perfect example is how “split” the doctors are on the ivermectin issue.


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[dr. d]

Perfect example is how “split” the doctors are on the ivermectin issue.


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i suspect that if we dig deep into these doctors' backgrounds,
the "split" won't be as mysterious...
i mean, they probably think like that because of something from their past...

my opinion only.

[dr. d]

Mabilis kumalat ang negative news sa media compared to positive... kaya madami naniniwala sa fake news...


si covid-19 lang yata mabilis sa positive doc...


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the most-read page in the tabloids,
isn't the front page.
it's the entertainment page.

[ale828]

Maybe they should prescribe blood thinners sa viral vector vaccine recipients as a precaution.

All Women under the age of 50.

Rare blood clots tied to J&J’s COVID-19 shot are similar to issues with AstraZeneca’s vaccine, FDA official says - MarketWatch

The problem with prescribing blood thinner is that the demographic of those afflicted with the blood clots are Women under 50, which is the menstrual age. doing so might produce more problems than prevent the little benefit the blood thinner would provide given the small number of cases. The CDC, FDA and manufacturer should be able to find a causality with those afflicted with blood clots and screen patients with the same profile conditions then that is patient profile that requires blood thinner or probably a different vaccine instead.

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coming from a non-medical person, that's a very good idea!
coming from a medical person, that's still a very good idea.
let's wait for a medical specialist, for his comments.
this vaccine cum blood clot issue can be a very complicated issue...

Why not go natural? Turmeric Ginger tea? Soothing.

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*uls meron pa isang test pala ELISA specific for the neutralizing antibodies against covid-19. Totoo ba yan? Ano pag kaiba niya sa ECLIA? So either dito sa 2 pwede ba?


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*uls meron pa isang test pala ELISA specific for the neutralizing antibodies against covid-19. Totoo ba yan? Ano pag kaiba niya sa ECLIA? So either dito sa 2 pwede ba?


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sa pagkaalam ko eclia is a newer test

ok yan either

both are better than rapid antibody test

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sa pagkaalam ko eclia is a newer test

ok yan either

both are better than rapid antibody test

Ang gulo ng hi-precision eh. Sabi postive or negative lang daw ang lalabas na result, wala daw yun mismong reference value ng result.


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