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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    parang mahirap hanapin ung tocilizumab

    saw posts on fb (different people on different days) naghahanap niyan
    best to contact the manufacturer, and ask for the local representative.
    or contact some medical representatives, who may know the right med reps.

    errr,
    why are you looking for it?
    ... rheumatoid arthritis?
    heh heh.

    just imagine the cost,
    it lists for USD$122 per 80 mg.
    that's about 18,000 pesos per session for RA.
    what is the dose for covid?
    and there's no guarantee for effectiveness.

    mahal magkasakit.
    Last edited by dr. d; March 21st, 2021 at 11:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    best to contact the manufacturer, and ask for the local representative.
    or contact some medical representatives, who may know the right med reps.

    errr,
    why are you looking for it?
    ... rheumatoid arthritis?
    heh heh.

    just imagine the cost,
    it lists for USD$122 per 80 mg.
    that's about 18,000 pesos per session for RA.
    what is the dose for covid?
    and there's no guarantee for effectiveness.

    mahal magkasakit.
    not me doc

    nakita ko sa fb may mga nagpapatulong maghanap

    seems like wala stock

    that monoclonal antibody drug which goes after interleukin-6... is being used to dial down immune overreaction in covid

    malakas ang demand now

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    #22643
    doc, 400mg iv infusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    not me doc

    nakita ko sa fb may mga nagpapatulong maghanap

    seems like wala stock

    that monoclonal antibody drug which goes after interleukin-6... is being used to dial down immune overreaction in covid

    malakas ang demand now
    well, i can imagine,
    at that price,
    the local demand as a drug for RA is probably too low as to justify keeping a large stock on hand.
    then covid hits, and the more affluent easily wipe out whatever local stocks are available.
    and if we think we can easily order from the home office...
    the worldwide demand for it is simply mind-boggling now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    doc, 400mg iv infusion
    oh!
    apologies.
    i computed the 18,000 pesos for a 320 mg dose.
    at 400 mg, that's 22,500 pesos per dose.

    if the drug is approved for use by the health insurance provider over there,
    then it probably comes as no additional expense to the patient.
    Last edited by dr. d; March 22nd, 2021 at 01:01 AM.

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    #22646
    In Chile, which is one of the top five countries in number of citizens vaccinated... Now being pummeled by COVID variants.

    More than 5,000 new infections have been reported on average daily in the past seven days, with the Metropolitan region, where the capital city of Santiago is located, accounting for 44 percent of all cases in the country.

    Dr Sebastian Ugarte, who runs the intensive care unit in Santiago’s Indisa clinic, said that every bed is occupied at his facility, even though the number of critical care units nearly doubled this week.

    “People over 70, most of whom have already been vaccinated, have almost disappeared from our emergency rooms,” Ugarte told Al Jazeera on Wednesday.

    “Now, we have younger patients, but some gravely ill.”

    Chile has been battling the second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, which has turned out to be far more aggressive than the first one, despite the Latin American nation vaccinating more than one-third of its population.

    The country has carried out one of the most aggressive vaccination campaigns in the world since early February, having set itself the target of inoculating approximately five million citizens against the disease by the end of March.

    Chile, which started targeted inoculations late last year for front-line health workers, has been rolling vaccines out to older adults and essential workers after receiving nearly four million doses of China’s Sinovac vaccine in February.

    Today, more than 33 percent of the more 18 million Chileans has one or both jabs, which makes the country one of the world leaders in terms of the percentage of people who have received vaccines.

    Health officials warn that vaccinations will not make much difference to the big picture right away, since 80 percent of Chileans must be fully vaccinated in order for herd immunity to be effective, and that is not predicted to happen for another three months.

    Chile: Alarming rise in COVID cases despite vaccination efforts | Latin America News | Al Jazeera
    Last edited by Monseratto; March 22nd, 2021 at 08:06 AM.

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    #22647
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    In Chile, which is one of the top five countries in number of citizens vaccinated... Now being pummeled by COVID variants.




    Chile: Alarming rise in COVID cases despite vaccination efforts | Latin America News | Al Jazeera
    “People over 70, most of whom have already been vaccinated, have almost disappeared from our emergency rooms,” Ugarte told Al Jazeera on Wednesday.
    Does this mean Sinovac is effective in persons over 65yo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Does this mean Sinovac is effective in persons over 65yo?
    that,
    or the elderly population has died away.
    heh heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    well, i can imagine,
    at that price,
    the local demand as a drug for RA is probably too low as to justify keeping a large stock on hand.
    then covid hits, and the more affluent easily wipe out whatever local stocks are available.
    and if we think we can easily order from the home office...
    the worldwide demand for it is simply mind-boggling now...
    bakit di nalang bigyan ng dexamethasone


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    Do you guys have any plans or outing this dry season? or just stay at home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    And these doctors' estimates would be correct. More accurate on the ground data and feedback.

    Salot talaga itong CHINA WUHAN VIRUS.
    The numbers support it. According to DOH around 2% of COVID positive patients are severe/critical so they will need hospitalization. My uncle in law was considered a "moderate" case yet also needed hospitalization. Aside from the shortage of HCW the problem with COVID is the lengthy recovery time. 3 weeks for moderate cases and even longer for severe/critical unless they die. It takes a long time to free up bed space.

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    Are there really some people who doesn't get infected by covid virus? I mean the virus spikes wont land in your body cells or they just have a strong immune system? Im asking this because in a small room 15sqm 4 people inside during office hours 3 of them got covid but 1 of them tested negative.

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    maybe steroids not as golden as the public believes.
    some of these drugs have two edges. they can alleviate, and they can push them over the edge.
    the two, seemingly opposing, WHO recommendations above, attest to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Do you guys have any plans or outing this dry season? or just stay at home?

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    we're staying home.
    we do not want to tempt fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    maybe steroids not as golden as the public believes.
    some of these drugs have two edges. they can alleviate, and they can push them over the edge.
    the two, seemingly opposing, WHO recommendations above, attest to that.
    yes it's only recommended for those with severe symptoms

    not for mild

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Are there really some people who doesn't get infected by covid virus? I mean the virus spikes wont land in your body cells or they just have a strong immune system? Im asking this because in a small room 15sqm 4 people inside during office hours 3 of them got covid but 1 of them tested negative.

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    That 1 person should be studied.

    He might have the solution to the CHINA WUHAN VIRUS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Are there really some people who doesn't get infected by covid virus? I mean the virus spikes wont land in your body cells or they just have a strong immune system? Im asking this because in a small room 15sqm 4 people inside during office hours 3 of them got covid but 1 of them tested negative.

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    the virus attaches to human ACE2 receptors

    everybody ACE2 receptors

    maybe his immune system is very alert and is able to clear the virus quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Do you guys have any plans or outing this dry season? or just stay at home?

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    there's nowhere to go coz di pwede lumabas ng NCR tama ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    bakit di nalang bigyan ng dexamethasone

    maybe these drugs are not as golden as what public believes.
    for one thing, bodies do not all respond in the same manner, to the same medical regimen. that is why there are many drugs out there, each claiming to remedy the same illness or condition.

    steroids. they have two edges. one can patch, the other can cut.
    that the WHO has two, seeming opposite recommendations above, attest to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    yes it's only recommended for those with severe symptoms

    not for mild
    are you wondering why?
    it's because "we must measure what we may gain, by what we might lose".
    Last edited by dr. d; March 22nd, 2021 at 10:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Do you guys have any plans or outing this dry season? or just stay at home?

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    Are you really even thinking of going to resorts?


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