China Corona Virus Outbreak

[uls]

I heard theres a silent vaccination this february sa mga chinese community, pero sinovac yata, my wife turned down the offer at naka reserved na kami sa astra yata yun na vaccine.

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last year pa

sinopharm

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Huwg tayong umasa ng definitive findings ng WHO investigative team sa tsina considering na guarded sila, bawal mag tanong ng kung sino sino, escorted palagi, ang itinerary ay dinidikta at ginawa lang ito pagkalipas ng mahigit isang taon.

Walang ka transparency, independence, openess at freedom ang imbestigasyon ng CHINA WUHAN VIRUS na yan doon sa tsina

[Wh1stl3r]

Anong meron pala sa copper mask?
Anong inadvertise na advantages niya compare sa N95, N88 mask?

They don't advertise that they are better than medical grade respirators like N95 naman. Kaya lang yung unang labas may butas sa bottom part na tawag nila "air channel". Why anyone would sell a mask with a hole in it for the pandemic is beyond me. Yung binebenta ngayon na bago 2.0 hindi na inaadvertise yung "feature" na ito so they might have removed it or are not highlighting it. Kung yung valved masks nga na may 1 way protection para sa wearer hindi suitable para sa pandemic paano pa yung butas lang na mask?

[bloowolf]

They don't advertise that they are better than medical grade respirators like N95 naman. Kaya lang yung unang labas may butas sa bottom part na tawag nila "air channel". Why anyone would sell a mask with a hole in it for the pandemic is beyond me. Yung binebenta ngayon na bago 2.0 hindi na inaadvertise yung "feature" na ito so they might have removed it or are not highlighting it. Kung yung valved masks nga na may 1 way protection para sa wearer hindi suitable para sa pandemic paano pa yung butas lang na mask?

Image is everything! Japorms muna.


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[uls]

tama ung skepticism ko sa pirma pirma ng mga LGU for Astrazeneca vaccine

nasa news kanina wala pa nangyayari sa order ng mga LGU dahil humihingi ng 20% downpayment ang Astrazeneca

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pati ung press release ng gobyerno na mag uumpisa na ang bakunahan sa Feb 15

(ung 117,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine galing covax)

maniniwala ako pag nag landing na ang eroplano

[boybi]

tama ung skepticism ko sa pirma pirma ng mga LGU for Astrazeneca vaccine

nasa news kanina wala pa nangyayari sa order ng mga LGU dahil humihingi ng 20% downpayment ang Astrazeneca

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pati ung press release ng gobyerno na mag uumpisa na ang bakunahan sa Feb 15

(ung 117,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine galing covax)

maniniwala ako pag nag landing na ang eroplano

Wala pa nga guidelines on how to get vaccinated, what happens after vaccination, will they give a proof of vaccination? Dapat nationalized yang proof of vaccination, baka hindi tanggapin ng ibang LGUs yung proof of vaccination from another LGU if mag travel ka, tapos i-require ka pa ulit ng lahat ng requirements before (health cert, covid test, travel pass, etc.)

[uls]

Wala pa nga guidelines on how to get vaccinated, what happens after vaccination, will they give a proof of vaccination? Dapat nationalized yang proof of vaccination, baka hindi tanggapin ng ibang LGUs yung proof of vaccination from another LGU if mag travel ka, tapos i-require ka pa ulit ng lahat ng requirements before (health cert, covid test, travel pass, etc.)

hilaw pa eh

ang nasa news lang ung nag re-rehearse sila paano mag diskarga from airplane, transport to cold storage...

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tingin ko naman dun sa pirma pirma ng mga LGU it's all theater

inumpisahan kasi ni yorme so other mayors followed para di mukhang wala ginagawa

pero di naman kinikilala ng mga pharma ang LGUs

national gov't lang kilala nila

ang national gov't naman ayaw mag cash advance

wala manyayari sa mga order

mga bakunang dadating puro galing sa covax hindi purchase ng gobyerno

[ale828]

Totoo yan, gusto ng mga vaccine companies sa government makipagusap or at least a high level representative should be there during negotiations with private entities.

more press release:
PH signs deal for 3M doses of another vaccine brand – The Manila Times

[uls]

^^^

from the last part of the article

ito ung lagi ko tinatanong baket di pa dumadating

November last year pa ito eh

Go Negosyo has secured 20 million doses of the AZD1222 for both the private sector and local government units through a tripartite deal with AstraZeneca, the manufacturer of the vaccine, and the Philippine Government.

[shadow]

Totoo yan, gusto ng mga vaccine companies sa government makipagusap or at least a high level representative should be there during negotiations with private entities.

more press release:
PH signs deal for 3M doses of another vaccine brand – The Manila Times

Kasi nga EUA lang sa FDA so dapat govt lang talaga kausap nila. Kaya laging kasama govt pag order mga private.


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[BratPAQ]

I wonder pano nakikipag negotiate ang government. Ang hinihingi ng mga pharma 20% down, ang nasa procurement law eh 15% lang. Baka dumating lang sa bansa natin this year eh yung mga libre lang from WHO. Not until they revised that procurement law.

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[uls]

gov't: "pipirma kami kahit ilan papel ang gusto niyo ipa-pirma pipirmahan namin"

pharma: "umm... can you give cash advance?"

gov't: "akala ko COD"


haha

[ale828]

Ang itindi ng government sa COD is sign ko approval ng payment on delivery tapos ma release yung bayad after 30-60 days dahil sa mga paperworks.

Wala lang urgency itong government or not thinking ahead. gumagaya lang sila sa gawa ng ibang bansa.
Natatakot sila sa ibang upcoming covid vaccine na nasa Stage II and III pa lang. fallout due to the Dengvaxia vaccine controversy. Most likely naman the other up coming vaccine will also be approved soon in other countries once its clinical trials are finish and reported. Those upcoming vaccine surely won't have that many orders yet as of now, pwede tayo makisingit dun dahil hindi pa pila mga bansa.

Double masking is only the start. Here are latest CDC face-covering recommendations.

Double mask recommended by CDC.

[uls]

Ang itindi ng government sa COD is sign ko approval ng payment on delivery tapos ma release yung bayad after 30-60 days dahil sa mga paperworks.

well that's even worse

pharma companies want advance payment before delivery

ayaw nga nila ng COD

mas lalo ayaw nila payment 60 days after delivery (di na COD tawag diyan)

sa panahon na ito sobra lakas ng demand siga mga pharma nasa position sila mag dictate ng terms

"kung ayaw mo madami iba bibili"

right now a poor 3rd world country like PH is not in a position to dictate the terms

[uls]

duda pa ako sa dadating na bakuna from WHO/covax

just coz it's free doesn't mean wala tayo gagawin

may mga requirements yan and it seems the gov't hasn't yet complied with all the requirements

[shadow]

Delayed daw documents ewan ko kung saan WHO or sa atin. Kaya delayed din dating nun covax.


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[shadow]

Documents snag arrival of Pfizer's COVID-19 shots in Philippines: Palace | ABS-CBN News


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[uls]

^^^

haha

sabi ko na nga

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may dadating sinovac donation

baka mauna pa kesa covax

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Don't demonize made-in-China COVID-19 vaccines, says Recto | Inquirer News

Well taken. But the whole point is "where is the science?" Where are the studies and evaluation, the openess, transparency and good governance to share the results, whether good or bad?

If the system (media, research, business, etc) in the CHINA WUHAN VIRUS country is subordinate to the political will of the communist party, what can we expect?

[uls]

this Monday lang



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