Water as Fuel / HHO Technology [Merged Threads]

[fmzart09]

Hello! I'm in Texas and within the past year become intimately familiar with HHO. Yes, you are correct, it's actually H2 & O2. Since they are mixed together the term HHO has become the chosen term throughout the Internet to refer to this very explosive gas combination.

First, I became involved when a member of our local car club began installing one of these "HHO" units on his car. I scoffed at him and explained to him why this absolutely would not work. In detail I showed him the relationship between the energy value of the "HHO" he would produce compared to the energy it would take to make it. Clearly, not even close to a break even point. This individual, a retired Physics professor, looked at me and told me, "You are wrong!" I then told him that the very physics books he was teaching from told me that I am right. He then said something to me I will never forget, "Like I keep telling everyone, the books are wrong!"

Since I made some of these in high school, only to make hydrogen balloons for the fireball effect (yes, I'm lucky to be alive), I fabricated a simple yet somewhat productive unit to prove my point. I had a 67 VW Beetle that was peaking at 42 miles per gallon. Everyone that knows me knows how hard I have worked to break past the 42 mile per gallon barrier, but the little car has no more mileage to give even at slower speeds. After installing this quickly fabricated HHO generator in the car I made some mileage runs. All were consistent at 45 miles per gallon! Instead of proving my point, I was blind sided with one reality. Never argue with a retired physics professor!

I've been studying this and it's not just the HHO (or H2 & O2), but many other factors too complex to go into detail here. Yes, there is a significant at times increase in mileage. No, it's not all from the gas but a combination of factors. So Faraday's Law remains intact and valid concerning the BTU value of the HHO created from water compared to the power robbed from the engine to pull the amperage. Simply put, mileage increases due to several factors and some simple testing under controlled conditions would prove this out.

One thing to consider is definitely the moisture. The higher lever of moisture would net some improvements in mileage. That being said, a friend and myself did many tests on moisture alone compared to HHO, and there is a higher percentage of improvement in mileage using HHO compared to only using a moisture bubbler. This I believe is due to the affect the HHO gas has in the combustion chamber when mixed with gasoline or diesel. If my theory is correct, the improvement in mileage would not be seen in a vehicle fueled by Natural Gas or Propane. Diesels see a higher net improvement in mileage than do gasoline fueled vehicles. Every test done at a pollution station in Houston Texas show more than a 100% reduction in hydrocarbons which support my theory. The primary fuel burns hotter and somewhat faster when a small amount of HHO is introduced into the mix. A vehicle with one bad cylinder was equipped with an HHO generator. The engine never made 2 hours at highway speeds without oil fouling number one cylinder. With the HHO the plug never fouled. What's more, if the fouled spark plug is reinserted into the engine uncleaned, the plug was clean after only one day of driving. This is related to the reason we see a mileage increase. Not only did the spark plug not foul, the motor oil leaking into the cylinder was now combusted and turned to fuel further increasing mileage. This is why when one of these units are installed on a very worn engine the results tend to be even better.

Another factor to consider is amperage. It is very unproductive to increase amperage even if it increases HHO production. On the 67 Beetle when I increased amperage beyond a certain point mileage began to drop. There is a "flywheel effect" in any engine where it will run at ease with a small load nearly free. Once you crank up the amperage and the engine loads up, mileage figures drop. I found that if the engine is idling and you suddenly turn on the unit there should be no drop in engine RPM or heavy loading of the engine. If you keep the amperage in this range where the engine at idle pulls it freely, mileage will be best. Every engine has a different "flywheel effect" zone depending on size or gasoline/diesel.

This is a lot of work and expense that I gone through to save money on fuel many say. But for me it was never about fuel savings, but curiosity on the mechanics of these systems. Most HHO systems I've seen on the Internet will never work properly. But a proper unit should generate better mileage and reduced exhaust emissions if run conservatively. As a former "nay sayer" on this I have to say "Give it a try before you condemn it." Remember, BTU values of hydrogen may apply in the Faraday formula to determine efficiency. But in an internal combustion engine we are creating an increase in volume that pushes a piston that may not be entirely dependent on BTUs of energy released. You can run an engine on compressed air alone and the engine manufacturers do this to seat the piston rings.

Hope this clears up the topic of why so many see mileage improvements where none appear possible. Depends on the engine, of course, and the way the HHO is applied. Be advised this is potentially dangerous as the gas is explosive. If a unit is making one liter of HHO per minute and the engine backfires, the explosion will be more than significant. I've never had an accident myself taking every precaution. However, several friends have blown the tops off of tool boxes by accident testing these on engines without flashback preventers. You could be burned badly or even killed doing this wrong. If that happens law makers tend to pass laws limiting the average person's access to these units. Don't ruin it for the rest of us by being careless.

Glad to be here by the way. I've been to the Philippines once even staying in Manila for 6 months. Might be traveling there again in the next few months.

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I tend to agree with your comments. There are many factors involved using HHO in internal combustion engines which is complicated enough such that a simple mathematical logic cannot explain what's actually happening. It could be the same reason why an increase in mileage is experienced just by cleaning dirty or fouled plugs. No one can argue about this. I have used a diy HHO kit using parallel s/s plates (8 in all), with an input voltage of 12+volts and ampere draw not exceeding 1.25 amps through. The medium I used was distilled water and KOH dissolved in it. The controlling factor of KOH concentration was the ampere reading at initial cold start. Part of the plates are positive and the back of it negative as the only connection between the terminals is the water where the plates are dipped. I have used the HHO generator kit for the last 2.5-3 years. The control car was a Toyota Rav4 '96 model. Here are my observations:
- From the time I first installed the HHO kit, I have not changed NOR cleaned the plugs, but the car has constantly run with great smoothness and glide. It never fouled.
- The engine ran at 25% lower than its operating temperature based on the temperature dial. To find out the 'normal', I have disconnected the HHO kit and observed the dial reading. This I did from time to time.
- I have observed my exhaust as very clean and only trace of black carbon soot, if there was any, can be seen in it. One can run his finger in the last few inches of the exhaust pipe and not end up with black residues in it.
- I used to run my car 85-90% in Manila traffic (and you know how much we have of it) and did'nt noticed any mileage increase. But sometimes running it in hiways beyond the metro, there was an increase of 40% distance compared to traffic conditions. I really am not sure of this significance.
- When I drew the plugs,just recently, the only observation I had was a coating of rust. I cleaned the plugs using a tiny wire rotating brush using a hand held mini drill and a piece of sandpaper. I installed back the plugs and did not replace them. The car ran as if nothing was changed.
There are many theorists around imbibing old known science facts but no new inventions can be had in this world if one will not tinker and observe new facts through experimentations. I believe the saying, "don't argue with an old physicist". They will always try to find new things.
From hereon, I will not drive my own car without an HHO kit.
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