its a tie!

[pocket rocket]

cant wait for the Suzuka GP, i think alonso is getting desperate, to win the drivers championship at all cost, now ithe news he's blaming Renault for not giving thier support to him....

[rab]

cant wait for the Suzuka GP, i think alonso is getting desperate, to win the drivers championship at all cost, now ithe news he's blaming Renault for not giving thier support to him....

pati nga si fisichella sinisisi na rin niya e, bakit daw siya inunahan nito. hehehe. baka mamaya pati si santo papa sisisihin na rin ni alonso. hahaha.

[prinsipe]

pati nga si fisichella sinisisi na rin niya e, bakit daw siya inunahan nito. hehehe. baka mamaya pati si santo papa sisisihin na rin ni alonso. hahaha.

ganyan ba ang ugali ng championship caliber? peace!

[CVT]

Hahaha,- I can't blame you for asking that question.


However, give him a few more years,- he will mellow down... (I think?)... hehehe



:starwars:

[allen_the_great]

Here is an incident even a blind man will take notice: How can Fernando Alonso who is 25 seconds behind on 3rd place catch up and overtake his teammate Fisi when both of them are already on dry tyres, if not for TEAM ORDERS.

How the tables have turned. I don't hear anyone complaining though. Looks like as long as you are not Michael Schumacher, it's perfectly okay to let your champion teammate miraculously rocket himself ahead so he can defend his title or risk being lynched by an angry mob of conquistadors and matadors.

eto pa isa:
how can massa let schumi pass on the 3rd lap in the Japanese GP if not for team orders??

[number001]

His point is, why make a such big deal when Ferrari issues team orders when other teams (most notably Renault in the last two races) are equally capable of issuing such an order.

[allen_the_great]

His point is, why make a such big deal when Ferrari issues team orders when other teams (most notably Renault in the last two races) are equally capable of issuing such an order.

wasnt able to see the shanghai GP, though from what ive read here, mukha ngang malabo mahabol ung 25 secs in just 3 laps. team orders nga malamang.

though i wud just like to point out that AFAIK, ferrari introduced the first known team orders in F1 history, when barrichello let schumi past on the final lap of a GP many years ago. follow the leaders lang SIGURO ang mga ibang teams. i must concede though that team orders really go beyond ferrari..

peace

[jeff1101]

wasnt able to see the shanghai GP, though from what ive read here, mukha ngang malabo mahabol ung 25 secs in just 3 laps. team orders nga malamang.

though i wud just like to point out that AFAIK, ferrari introduced the first known team orders in F1 history, when barrichello let schumi past on the final lap of a GP many years ago. follow the leaders lang SIGURO ang mga ibang teams. i must concede though that team orders really go beyond ferrari..

Frankly I dont really care about team orders. Some people make a big deal
out of it. I for one am for it, if it means winning the race for the driver and
the team.

Its not really fair if Ferrari is only doing it. So if Ferrari does it then Renault
can do it too, no problem !

[IPSG_SlimShady]

So now the Renault fanboys are finally embracing team orders. Hard to dispute live TV. Before, they were screaming at Ferrari saying their team orders are the problem. Then suddenly, it's now a no problem when their idol's championship woes were in tatters.

[number001]

wasnt able to see the shanghai GP, though from what ive read here, mukha ngang malabo mahabol ung 25 secs in just 3 laps. team orders nga malamang.

though i wud just like to point out that AFAIK, ferrari introduced the first known team orders in F1 history, when barrichello let schumi past on the final lap of a GP many years ago. follow the leaders lang SIGURO ang mga ibang teams. i must concede though that team orders really go beyond ferrari..

peace

I'm sure team orders have been part of F1 since its inception. And contrary to popular beliefs and biases, Ferrari is not the first and only team doing this. Other teams are guilty as well and its just they dont get much flak for doing so.

For example, In the '97 Belgian GP, Ralf Schumacher was ordered to move over and let Damon Hill take the first win for Jordan (current Midland-Spyker) in its history. In the '99 Hockenheim GP, Ferrari's sub driver Mika Salo was asked to let teammate, Eddie Irvine, take the win to increase Irvine's chance of winning the championship against the Mclarens. In the '99 Malaysian GP, fresh from a serious accident that took him off the racing track for months, M. Schumacher was ordered to relinquish first place to let Eddie Irvine take the win and let him close the gap bet. the Mclarens. David Coulthard and Mika Hakkinen have done similar things also. There are so much more! Bottomline: Everyone is guilty and no one is a "saint". Everyone has dipped their hands in the cookie jar, so no big deal. Its just it seems Ferrari and Schumacher have become lightning rods of sorts for people who seem to have an inherent abhorment for the all success and achievements they have garnered.

Frankly I dont really care about team orders. Some people make a big deal
out of it. I for one am for it, if it means winning the race for the driver and
the team.

Its not really fair if Ferrari is only doing it. So if Ferrari does it then Renault
can do it too, no problem !

There are no specific rules which explicitly prohibits the use of team orders and it is really upto each team which road they want to go down to. No need to be an apologist for Renault and Alonso bec. they are already quite saintly, sinless and have a "do-no-evil" image, based on your previous posts.

Whether or not, any team wishes to utilize the option of a team order or not is really up to them and there are probably more complex reasons why they elect to do so. At times, it is not something that is easily understandable based on what we see on the surface or based on our presumptions and biases.

[bbt]

There are no specific rules which explicitly prohibits the use of team orders and it is really upto each team which road they want to go down to. No need to be an apologist for Renault and Alonso bec. they are already quite saintly, sinless and have a "do-no-evil" image, based on your previous posts.

aren't team orders banned by the FIA? in fact i remember hearing on tv that teams actually have "code words" for team orders, like telling the driver in front to conserve his tires, conserve his engine, etc..

[number001]

aren't team orders banned by the FIA? in fact i remember hearing on tv that teams actually have "code words" for team orders, like telling the driver in front to conserve his tires, conserve his engine, etc..

Havent seen/read their rules, so I cant say for sure if FIA really banned the practice, but so far so one (driver or team) have been punished yet, despite the obviousness or its sometimes pervasiveness when a championship is about to be decided.

[jeff1101]

Havent seen/read their rules, so I cant say for sure if FIA really banned the practice, but so far so one (driver or team) have been punished yet, despite the obviousness or its sometimes pervasiveness when a championship is about to be decided.

Only because its so hard to prove.

[SNAKE V6]

Go Schumi!

Well, team order or none, it's a sport, it has its loop holes and to use it to gain the most advantage is what makes it exciting. Imagine if its just a plain old single driver, one car head to head with another, going about for four to five seasons, that IMO is boring, speed and skill, parang bunong braso lang, sino mas malakas, not much strategy.. This present platform utilizes both the teams' and the driver's speed, skill and BRAINS. And remember that F1 (and most other..)besides being a sport is also a business

[ARB]

NEWS Schumi was spotted here in the Philippines last month while getting money from a local bank. He was diving with friends in Apo island in Dumaguete. Confirmed with some friends, they saw daw 3 big yatchs anchored off the island.