its a tie!

[ARB]

michael and alonso are now tied in the drivers championship!

good race for michael and ferrari!

[CoDer]

Whohooo! two more to go!

[team_PONGLAI_11]

ganda laban

[jim]

hay di ko napanood pero reading the news made my heart pound!

i'll not miss the Japan race. it would be the turning point for both alonzo and schumi......

[number001]

Did not get to watch bec. millenyo fell one of our trees which fell on the cable connection outside.

Renault is losing big time with their screw-ups. Although I cant really blame them given that they are in that kind of situation during a race.

[bbt]

great race from schumi, considering he barely made it into the q3

i had the live timing screens open on my laptop as i was watching the race and sobrang napa-hanga ako kay alonso. on the final laps he kept setting fastest times one after another!

though it was a disappointment for raikonnen. i think he was in 2nd when his mclaren broke AGAIN.

[BoyFerrari]

Here is an incident even a blind man will take notice: How can Fernando Alonso who is 25 seconds behind on 3rd place catch up and overtake his teammate Fisi when both of them are already on dry tyres, if not for TEAM ORDERS.

How the tables have turned. I don't hear anyone complaining though. Looks like as long as you are not Michael Schumacher, it's perfectly okay to let your champion teammate miraculously rocket himself ahead so he can defend his title or risk being lynched by an angry mob of conquistadors and matadors.

[CVT]

Here is an incident even a blind man will take notice: How can Fernando Alonso who is 25 seconds behind on 3rd place catch up and overtake his teammate Fisi when both of them are already on dry tyres, if not for TEAM ORDERS.

How the tables have turned. I don't hear anyone complaining though. Looks like as long as you are not Michael Schumacher, it's perfectly okay to let your champion teammate miraculously rocket himself ahead so he can defend his title or risk being lynched by an angry mob of conquistadors and matadors.

Hi BoyFerrari,- I am a Ferrari/MS fan like you. But please, let's not take away the great effort from Alonso. I think he deserved number2 for this race, as he drove like hell, after the screw up in the pit. As I said earlier,- Renault/FA is championship caliber, too.

Now, did he(Alonso) risk losing his precious Renault engine in Suzuka?

We'll see this Sunday(no more rain, please)!

This is going to be interesting....


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[ARB]

the 40 second gap between the renaults is not because alonso was quicker they did it on purpose so that people would think that alonso was very quick compared to fisi. 25 seconds in 3 laps! ha tama if sa Ferrari nangyari yon ano kaya ang mga hirit ng mga anti Ferrari.

I think renault should be investigated because of this incident! Fisi even tried to close the door on Michael when he came out of the pits! talk about dirty tactics, buti na lang Michael is such a good driver he countered it well.

[BoyFerrari]

Hi BoyFerrari,- I am a Ferrari/MS fan like you. But please, let's not take away the great effort from Alonso. I think he deserved number2 for this race, as he drove like hell, after the screw up in the pit. As I said earlier,- Renault/FA is championship caliber, too.

Yes, Alonso deserved to be No.2 for this race, that's why Flavio instructed Fisi to let the Spaniard pass through. Yes, he drove like hell to catch up Schumacher, but please drop the fastest lap times issue that he was faster than Schumi on dry tyres since Schumi was not in a mood for a shootout in the final laps (he recovered his brain to avenge his past Hungarian GP mental block). I don't deny the talent of these drivers, I am just saying that conclusions were made using the wrong incidents. Try to pick situations when these two are neck-to-neck, and not when the other was simply reading a pocketbook all the way to the checkered flag.

By the way, I'm just teasing people here who are allergic to F1 team orders. In fact, when Alonso was catching up on Fisi, I literally shouted at Fisi on the TV set to get out of the way and let him through. That's the game plan. And that's exactly what Fisi did. So there's nothing unusual about it. It's Formula 1 team racing.

In Suzuka and Brazil, I expect Massa and Fisi to do their job and block the others. Sabi nga ni Steve Slater ng Star Sports: It's MANO-Y-MANO!!! It's Alonso versus Schumacher. The rest can join Raikkonen in the DNF pitlane.

p.s. Pansin ko lang, talagang hindi matanggap ng iba dito that BOTH Schumi and Fisichella had switched down their engine RPM in the final laps when the podium order was already determined -- kahit i-post mo pa yung mismong interview nila. They kept insisting Alonso was beating Schumi with fastest lap times while the Ferrari was running on low rpm. That would be an insult to Alonso, if you ask me.

[bbt]

p.s. Pansin ko lang, talagang hindi matanggap ng iba dito that BOTH Schumi and Fisichella had switched down their engine RPM in the final laps when the podium order was already determined -- kahit i-post mo pa yung mismong interview nila. They kept insisting Alonso was beating Schumi with fastest lap times while the Ferrari was running on low rpm. That would be an insult to Alonso, if you ask me.

i think you might have misunderstood what i meant (though i might have implied the wrong things with the way i worded my statements). what i meant to point out when i said that alonso was continually posting the fastest lap times was that he was driving extremely well, and that he achieved second place not merely because fisi let him through, but also because of his skill as a driver. i meant to emphasize that alonso near the end was able to drive continually and progressively faster than anyone had been at ANY point of the race, and i think he should get full credit for that

[weremanok]

i think you might have misunderstood what i meant (though i might have implied the wrong things with the way i worded my statements). what i meant to point out when i said that alonso was continually posting the fastest lap times was that he was driving extremely well, and that he achieved second place not merely because fisi let him through, but also because of his skill as a driver. i meant to emphasize that alonso near the end was able to drive continually and progressively faster than anyone had been at ANY point of the race, and i think he should get full credit for that

Alonso achieved 2nd place merely because Fisichella let him through. Period. Alonso indeed has skill but that did not secure his 2nd place finish. If Raikonnen was running in 2nd place at that time, I doubt that Alonso would be able to erase that 25 sec gap.

[mazdamazda]

what i meant to point out when i said that alonso was continually posting the fastest lap times was that he was driving extremely well, and that he achieved second place not merely because fisi let him through, but also because of his skill as a driver. i meant to emphasize that alonso near the end was able to drive continually and progressively faster than anyone had been at ANY point of the race, and i think he should get full credit for that

IMO you aren't also getting the point of the other posters.

If Alonso passed Fisi (due to the much beloved Team Orders) and drove like a grandma without trying to catch up with Schumi he would still end up in 2nd place. It doesn't matter if he was still 25 or 3 seconds away from Schumi - he still finished 2nd place.

Comparing his end laps to the other parts of the race isn't logical also... I mean he is on slick tires with less fuel and a drying up track at the end portion while during the first part of the race they were using intermediates in wet conditions while having a full fuel load.

Note also that he will be using the same engine in Suzuka (since he blew up his last one). Let's see the reliability of his "worn" engine against the fresher engines of Schumi & Fisi.

No one is disputing the talent of Alonso or of any top driver in F1. But elevating it in light of Ferrari's brilliant pitstop strategy, Schumi's overtaking manuever against Fisi, and Renault's Team Orders for Fisi to stand down is a bit too much for most people here including me.

[CVT]

Agree here that both MS and GF are conserving their respective engines for the Suzuka race. FA should have 'conserved' his, too. IMO, it was a futile chase...

What really 'troubled' me with Renault was the way GF was blocking MS when it was obvious that FA was really off the pace, after their first pitstops. If Ferrari were in that position/strategy,- I could imagine the uproar from everybody. Anyway, they saw it as 'part of the race' yesterday.

Suzuka will be very interesting!


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[BoyFerrari]

What really 'troubled' me with Renault was the way GF was blocking MS when it was obvious that FA was really off the pace, after their first pitstops. If Ferrari were in that position/strategy,- I could imagine the uproar from everybody. Anyway, they saw it as 'part of the race' yesterday.

Now that you mentioned it, that incident was really amusing. It was one of the unusual entertaining moments.

Fisichella couldn't believe that Alonso was THAT slow, he nearly collided at Alonso's rear end at the turn because he was coming up too fast.

And then, for nearly a mile or two while blocking Schumacher, you can tell that Fisichella was having second thoughts whether to pass Alonso or not (I think the Renault pit crew was slow to radio him that Alonso was in trouble and it was okay to pass him). Any normal F1 car would easily slingshot itself pass a slow moving car such as this (and even considering this was his teammate and Alonso was not even blocking him). So the trio was stuck in a blocking game for a few miles until Fisichella took the cue and rocketed himself pass Alonso.

That incident was funny to me because I remembered those people who were allergic to team orders, and here you are in broad daylight. This is the first time I enjoyed watching this Shanghai GP. I generally don't like the circuit. It's too wide and there are no interesting landscape or whatsoever.

[sirmykel]

Agree here that both MS and GF are conserving their respective engines for the Suzuka race. FA should have 'conserved' his, too. IMO, it was a futile chase...

What really 'troubled' me with Renault was the way GF was blocking MS when it was obvious that FA was really off the pace, after their first pitstops. If Ferrari were in that position/strategy,- I could imagine the uproar from everybody. Anyway, they saw it as 'part of the race' yesterday.

Suzuka will be very interesting!


:starwars:

every race is interesting

[ARB]

here's a fact, if Alonso is really that good he could have been the champion by this time of the season! remember the winning run by schumi in 2004. But he is not like Schumi he is just lucky last year and the beginning of the year that Ferrari and Bridegestone were not up to par! If Kimi was not unlucky enough he could have given FA a run for the championship. lets see next year where FA will stand.

[mazdamazda]

Here is an incident even a blind man will take notice: How can Fernando Alonso who is 25 seconds behind on 3rd place catch up and overtake his teammate Fisi when both of them are already on dry tyres, if not for TEAM ORDERS.

How the tables have turned. I don't hear anyone complaining though. Looks like as long as you are not Michael Schumacher, it's perfectly okay to let your champion teammate miraculously rocket himself ahead so he can defend his title or risk being lynched by an angry mob of conquistadors and matadors.

Hehehe... that's were you separate the fanboys from racing enthusiasts.

Yup - Team Orders are a given fact in F1. What's funny is how people scream holy hell when their not-so-favorite driver/team pulls this trick... then just clams up when their favorite driver/team pulls out a fast one.

[squatt3r]

go Schumi!

[CVT]

"A reporter also asked Schumacher, 37, whether he was bothered about a Renault engineers' radio call - captured live on worldwide television - sarcastically saying 'poor old Michael' when it became clear that the German would not be near pole." . This was during qualifying Saturday afternoon.


Now this one is not going to help Renault's image a bit.....

I am sure that other camp/s are acting this way too...
Tsk... tsk... tsk... - but talk about thinking aloud on worldwide TV! Whew! Priceless!



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