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    #141
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah
    patay lahat yan... si robin padilla ba hinde sasama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah
    Sorry to sound insensitive, but if they're going there "ready to die", I hope its with the knowledge that the real beneficiaries of their "martyrdom" are all in Manila, twiddling their thumbs and talking tough to the media. Probably waiting for the government to do the negotiating over higher rental payments from Malaysia. Probably not one cent of that cash will go to the families of those who died because the rent is paid to the Sultanate.

    Something's really wrong here.

    I heard an expert on Islamic affairs from U.P. say that the government's tack on this was wrong from the start and that it should have supported the Sultanate's claim to Sabah the way past PH Presidents did. What is skewed about this is that issuing statements of support by the government now, in light of what the "Royal Army" did in doing an armed incursion to Sabah would be tantamount to condoning aggression over a territorial dispute --- something the PH is trying to get support over from the international community for its territorial claims in the Spratlys and the South China Sea.

    Another "expert" on geopolitics, U.P. Professor Clarita Carlos, went live on radio to say that "eh kung magalit man ang Malaysia, eh ano? Unahin mo muna ang damdamin ng Pilipino!" --- shooting from the hip, as it were. It's also skewed because she tries to call on sympathy for the plight of the Sultanate and the sentiments of the Tausugs because of their "warrior" tradition. The elephant in the room would be: So, it's perfectly ok for Tausugs to arm themselves, call themselves a "Royal Army" and completely disregard the consequences of their acts of going to Sabah like an invading force. Nevermind that the country that presently administers or governs Sabah can retailiate against Filipinos who are in that country legally, just trying to earn a living for their families back home.

    Also, it would seem from these experts' statements that it's perfectly alright for the Sultan and his kin to disregard and ignore Philippine laws considering that their historical claims to Sabah trumps whatever legalities or processes that are in place for pursuing their claims.

    Given that PNoy probably should've reined his previous statements in and not threatened the Kirams with prosecution to convince their followers to come home, nothing and absolutely nothing gives justification for what the Kirams are doing. Sadly, even these so-called U.P. "experts" are condoning them.

    Now, any cultural minority group can just take up arms, occupy territory, and ask that government and the people of the world be "SENSITIVE" to them. Wait till some minority group lays claim to Manila and sends an armed group to city hall to do it.

    What rubbish!

    Something is very wrong indeed.
    Last edited by Altis6453; March 6th, 2013 at 12:10 PM.

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    #143
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah
    Wow! Saan daanan yan? Di ba may naval blockage? Baka naman press-release lang or intimidation? If ever na true ito then sasakit na talaga ang ulo ng Malaysian govt.

    Sa 100 na "royal soldiers" eh gumamit na ng F-16 at artillery. Tapos sumagot pa sa media na ok pa sila at walang nakitang dead bodies ang Malaysian Army yun pa kayang 10,000. Laban na ito. :D

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    #144
    Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sira ulo sa pilipinas...
    Last edited by Monseratto; March 6th, 2013 at 12:19 PM.

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    #145
    "daw" meron "daw" 10,000. Wala yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    Sorry to sound insensitive, but if they're going there "ready to die", I hope its with the knowledge that the real beneficiaries of their "martyrdom" are all in Manila, twiddling their thumbs and talking tough to the media. Probably waiting for the government to do the negotiating over higher rental payments from Malaysia. Probably not one cent of that cash will go to the families of those who died because the rent is paid to the Sultanate.

    Something's really wrong here.

    I heard an expert on Islamic affairs from U.P. say that the government's tack on this was wrong from the start and that it should have supported the Sultanate's claim to Sabah the way past PH Presidents did. What is skewed about this is that issuing statements of support by the government now, in light of what the "Royal Army" did in doing an armed incursion to Sabah would be tantamount to condoning aggression over a territorial dispute --- something the PH is trying to get support over from the international community for its territorial claims in the Spratlys and the South China Sea.

    Another "expert" on geopolitics, U.P. Professor Clarita Carlos, went live on radio to say that "eh kung magalit man ang Malaysia, eh ano? Unahin mo muna ang damdamin ng Pilipino!" --- shooting from the hip, as it were. It's also skewed because she tries to call on sympathy for the plight of the Sultanate and the sentiments of the Tausugs because of their "warrior" tradition. The elephant in the room would be: So, it's perfectly ok for Tausugs to arm themselves, call themselves a "Royal Army" and completely disregard the consequences of their acts of going to Sabah like an invading force. Nevermind that the country that presently administers or governs Sabah can retailiate against Filipinos who are in that country legally, just trying to earn a living for their families back home.

    Also, it would seem from these experts' statements that it's perfectly alright for the Sultan and his kin to disregard and ignore Philippine laws considering that their historical claims to Sabah trumps whatever legalities or processes that are in place for pursuing their claims.

    Given that PNoy probably should've reined his previous statements in and not threatened the Kirams with prosecution to convince their followers to come home, nothing and absolutely nothing gives justification for what the Kirams are doing. Sadly, even these so-called U.P. "experts" are condoning them.

    Now, any cultural minority group can just take up arms, occupy territory, and ask that government and the people of the world be "SENSITIVE" to them. Wait till some minority group lays claim to Manila and sends an armed group to city hall to do it.

    What rubbish!

    Something is very wrong indeed.
    totally agree! simple lang naman sinabi sa kanila, bumalik kayo dito then we will talk and we are dropping claims sa sabah...tigas ulo lang, akala nila wimpy boy si Pnoy, hinde nila alam mas matigas ulo ni Pnoy...

    spoiled brat na kung spolied brat ugali ni Pnoy but kung hinde ganyan katigas ulo ni Pnoy, sasagasaan lang siya ng mga taong epal

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    #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sir ulo sa pilipinas...
    pati na rin si Robin padillla. in fact mag petition tayo pumunta na doon si Robin

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    10,000 Tausugs to sail to Sabah | Free Malaysia Today

    ZAMBOANGA CITY: Thousands of Tausug from Basilan, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi have sailed to Sabah to reinforce members of the so-called royal army of the sultanate of Sulu who are fighting it out with Malaysian security forces, a Moro National Liberation Front official said Tuesday.

    “We can no longer prevent our people. We are hurt and many of our people, even the non-combatants, are going to Sabah to help the sultanate,” Habib Hashim Mudjahab, chair of the MNLF’s Islamic Council Committee, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer by phone.

    Mudjahab said at least 10,000 Tausug from Basilan, Sulu, Tawi-Tawi and Zamboanga on Monday night started to reinforce the followers of Sultan Jamalul Kiram III now holed up in a coastal village in Sabah via the Philippines’ so-called “southern backdoor,” a route regular traders are familiar with.

    He said the reinforcements “sailed in small numbers so they can easily penetrate Sabah unnoticed.”

    ‘It is about pride and honor, and our people are ready to sacrifice.’

    “The naval blockade is of no use; our military should have known that. We did that before at the height of Marcos regime. We can easily go to Sabah and blend with the people there,” he added.

    He was referring to a naval blockade thrown up by the Philippine Navy and Coast Guard to ensure armed sympathizers do not joined the beleaguered men in Sabah as reinforcements.

    Days ago, Mudjahab said, he advised several MNLF commanders against going to Sabah to help a group of about 200 men who landed in a coastal village in Lahad Datu on Feb 9 to assert the sultanate’s claim to Sabah.

    “I told them to hold on to their ranks and avoid getting emotionally affected with the situation. But our President Noynoy (President Benigno Aquino III) kept issuing statements favoring the Malaysians, which made our people agitated. The President must realize that for the Tausugs, being pushed to the wall, fighting for a cause, is dying with victory,” he said.

    He said with three old heirs of the Sultanate, “who have no history of rebellion, living quietly on their own, now leading the cause in Sabah, is something great for the Tausugs.”

    “It is about pride and honor, and our people are ready to sacrifice,” Mudjahab said.

    Ajil Jaffar, 50, an oil palm plantation worker in Kota Kinabalu and who was among those repatriated to the country on Sunday, said he wanted to return to Sabah.
    “I want to help them. It’s our honor to be with the sultan so that this deportation and abuses will stop,” he said.

    A retired educator in Tawi-Tawi, who asked not to be identified by name, said the sultanate of Sulu represents an extension of their rich heritage. “They are the first Filipinos. The sultanate of Sulu was already there even before Philippines existed,” he said.

    Amirah Lidasan of the non governmental group Suara Bangsamoro said the status of the sultanate of Sulu was unfinished business that “keeps on nagging us.”

    “We have a bloody history of Moro people getting killed while defending the homeland. It also speaks of the Philippine government’s giving in to the interest of foreigners instead of its citizens,” Lidasan said.

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    #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sira ulo sa pilipinas...
    Sama na rin nila sila Binay sa invading force. MAg-aambag pa ako para sa piso fare nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    Sama na rin nila sila Binay sa invading force. MAg-aambag pa ako para sa piso fare nila.
    +1

    Hati tayo, Vinj! Bigyan ko pa ng pang in-flight meal. Hehe!

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