Sabah Standoff Issues

[niky]

Specifically, you will not find in them mention of the fact that the Sabah people struggled to be free, gained self-rule in 1963, and voted to become part of Malaysia.

Wrong! By royal decree, only the Sultan may decide the fate of Sabah! And let's give the US back to the Queen while we're at it.

[iOz]

Remember Afghanistan vs The Mighty USSR? Who do we think who won? Not saying anything.

How about Vietnam? The well equipped Americans has no much with the jungle experience of

Vietnamese.

Do we have to talked about the Korean War?

Malaysia? Insurgency? Sabah is the training grounds of the Muslim Insurgents from the Philippines for

three decades.

[hein]

Remember Afghanistan vs The Mighty USSR? Who do we think who won? Not saying anything.

How about Vietnam? The well equipped Americans has no much with the jungle experience of

Vietnamese.

Do we have to talked about the Korean War?

Malaysia? Insurgency? Sabah is the training grounds of the Muslim Insurgents from the Philippines for

three decades.

Mahina ang PH military. Philippine soldiers rank very low in the quality scale.
They couldn;t even subdue a ragtag group of bandits like the NPA or the Abu Sayyaf.

The Malaysian trained insurgents have been running circles arounnd the Pinoys for more than 50 years.

With what equipment will PH use to invade Sabah? Dito pa lang olats na ang mga Pinoy.

[Altis6453]

Remember Afghanistan vs The Mighty USSR? Who do we think who won? Not saying anything.

How about Vietnam? The well equipped Americans has no much with the jungle experience of

Vietnamese.

Do we have to talked about the Korean War?

Malaysia? Insurgency? Sabah is the training grounds of the Muslim Insurgents from the Philippines for

three decades.

IIRC, the Afghans were supported clandestinely by the US with weapons and MANPADS. Look at what happened to Afghanistan after the Russians left. It became the bed of the Taliban. The US lost political support for the Vietnamese War which is why they withdrew instead of fighting to the end. The Korean War, AFAIK, isn't over. There's just an armistice existing between the 2 Koreas which is now being voided by the North.

[rollyic]

Remember Afghanistan vs The Mighty USSR? Who do we think who won? Not saying anything.

as far as i know, one of the main reason why the USSR retreat was because the terrain of Afghanistan.
mabundok at hindi nila madala yung mga tanke nila. pag binomba mo naman via plane or rocket, magtatago lang sila sa mga kweba ng bundok.

[ryanwilder]

Remember Afghanistan vs The Mighty USSR? Who do we think who won? Not saying anything.

How about Vietnam? The well equipped Americans has no much with the jungle experience of

Vietnamese.

Do we have to talked about the Korean War?

Malaysia? Insurgency? Sabah is the training grounds of the Muslim Insurgents from the Philippines for

three decades.

Parang red dawn the movie ba lol

[greenlyt]

Malaysia? Insurgency? Sabah is the training grounds of the Muslim Insurgents from the Philippines for

three decades.

and who do you think trained the muslim insurgents?
syempre the Malaysian military

[iOz]

My points is, look back...history speak for itself. Even the unthinkable happened...

[Monseratto]

Err...the Vietnamese and the Afghan Talibans were fighting on their own territory.. Those veteran Muslim insurgent would be in their 60s and the new recruits only watched "Video training"... You're giving the Kirams too much credit they don't deserve...

Dr M: Malaysia knows guerrilla combat, Sulu Sultan ‘ignorant’
BY CLARA CHOOI
March 24, 2013

KUALA LUMPUR, March 24 ― Dr Mahathir Mohamad appeared to suggest today that the Sulu insurgents in Sabah were underestimating the ability of Malaysia’s security forces, saying self-styled Sultan Jamalul Kiram III’s orders for guerrilla warfare was borne of “ignorance”.

He pointed out that guerrilla tactics were familiar to Malaysian soldiers and police, whom he also said were willing to die in the defence of their homeland and people out of love for the country.

“Perhaps Jamalul Kiram knows nothing about how Malaysia dealt with the guerrillas,” Dr Mahathir wrote in a post on his blog at chedet.cc.

“His suggestion about conducting a guerrilla war in Malaysia seems to be based on ignorance.”

Malaysian security forces have killed 63 Sulu militants and arrested 408 suspected supporters since the start of the incursion last month, and yesterday said they have crippled the group’s movement with the capture of its military commander.

Local security intelligence believe the group’s leader and Jamalul’s brother, Agbimuddin Kiram, had abandoned his remaining forces in Sabah’s Lahad Datu on March 11 and fled back to southern Philippines where he is currently evading capture by island-hopping. Since clashes began between Agbimuddin’s band of 235 rebels and Malaysian forces on March 1, a total of 10 Malaysian lives have been lost ― eight policemen and two soldiers.

Dr Mahathir said Malaysia has been following the decades of violent standoffs by the Moro people in southern Philippines, but added that the situation here is vastly different.

“Malaysia... is well aware that guerrillas can be disruptive. It can render Malaysia less stable and secure.

“But the situation today is much better for Malaysia to defeat any attempt at guerrilla war by the Kiram and Suluks,” he said.

Dr Mahathir said this is because the hearts and minds of Malaysians are generally with the government, despite the existence of some detractors from the opposition.

He said the Malaysian government also has enough money to help relocate those who may be terrorised into supporting the invaders, therefore blocking them from strengthening their army with local reinforcements.

But most important of all, the still-influential Dr Mahathir said, were the men and women who make up Malaysia’s security forces.

“The soldiers and police who are currently participating in the fight against the terrorist in Lahad Datu are well-trained and well equipped,” he said. “The Malaysian forces have inherited the knowledge and the skills in fighting anti-guerrilla wars.”

Dr Mahathir said the spirit of patriotism in the Malaysian forces is very high and the attempt by the Sulu militants to frighten them by desecrating the bodies of their comrades had not worked.

“If at all it has made our security personnel very angry and more determine to defeat the enemy. It has become almost a personal war for them,” he said.

[threx666]

My points is, look back...history speak for itself. Even the unthinkable happened...

Well , those countries that you cite as examples have their pride in fighting for the independence of their country

And for the so called Royal Army of Sulu , hmmm you might think that they are really fighting for the sake of the whole country as a whole , ?

Well, I'll just leave the answer up to you sir

[oliver1013]

Imo sa lahat ng bagay, ang nananalo yung mas determinado manalo...mas matagal lang pag dehado...pero may tsansa parin.

Ngayon ang tanong sinng mas determinado

[hein]

Dr M: Malaysia knows guerrilla combat, Sulu Sultan ‘ignorant’
BY CLARA CHOOI
March 24, 2013

KUALA LUMPUR, March 24 ― Dr Mahathir Mohamad appeared to suggest today that the Sulu insurgents in Sabah were underestimating the ability of Malaysia’s security forces, saying self-styled Sultan Jamalul Kiram III’s orders for guerrilla warfare was borne of “ignorance”.

He pointed out that guerrilla tactics were familiar to Malaysian soldiers and police, whom he also said were willing to die in the defence of their homeland and people out of love for the country.

“Perhaps Jamalul Kiram knows nothing about how Malaysia dealt with the guerrillas,” Dr Mahathir wrote in a post on his blog at chedet.cc.

“His suggestion about conducting a guerrilla war in Malaysia seems to be based on ignorance.”

Malaysian security forces have killed 63 Sulu militants and arrested 408 suspected supporters since the start of the incursion last month, and yesterday said they have crippled the group’s movement with the capture of its military commander.

Sulu Royal Army boat after the Malaysian attack

The Malaysians have prepared for this event since Sabah was given to them by the Brits.

Sorry but IGNORAMUS talaga si Kiram. BOBO mga soldiers niya.

"Fortune favors the prepared mind" Louis Pasteur

[hein]

My points is, look back...history speak for itself. Even the unthinkable happened...

Yes, just look as history.

Nobody has ever won a war through Wishful Thinking and Stupidity.

[ryanwilder]

My points is, look back...history speak for itself. Even the unthinkable happened...

Walang sincerity kasi yan sultan clan na yan eh, obviously they are using too much media propaganda, if they really want to disturb that mayalsian island for decades to come, they need to look and feel sincere for their cause para ma-feel ng kapwa nila muslim and even us Filipino Christians as their brothers. For instance, the sultan himself should head their in sabah even if he's sick, he should be ready to die for his cause. Now that is admirable and convincing, and will definitely gather support and sympathy.

[ryanwilder]

Boy bastos, wag muna patulan si hein. Ganyan talaga yan sa scarborough, sa china sya. Dito sa issue, sa malaysia. Nakikitira lang dito yan ata sa tin, walang pagmamahal sa sariling bayan, though the same with the sultan, sana magbakbakan na lang sila, si hein, yun sultan yun malaysia, para mabawasan na pamapagulo sa mundo lol

[hein]

Boy bastos, wag muna patulan si hein. Ganyan talaga yan sa scarborough, sa china sya. Dito sa issue, sa malaysia. Nakikitira lang dito yan ata sa tin, walang pagmamahal sa sariling bayan, though the same with the sultan, sana magbakbakan na lang sila, si hein, yun sultan yun malaysia, para mabawasan na pamapagulo sa mundo lol

When you have a weak military, which wasted Billions upon Billions of taxpayer's money in an endless insurgency war. You will be tripped on by the foreigners.

That is the Reality in this world.

No amount of CHEST THUMPING Pinoy Pride can change this.

[Ry_Tower]

^ Can you, though, answer ryanwilder's comment about you not being just a transient being.

[badkuk]

ryan_wilder eh? sa biglang tingin akala ko si van_wilder :D

[Luap]

^ Can you, though, answer ryanwilder's comment about you not being just a transient being.

Transient being pala unang basa ko transvestite being.

[ryanwilder]

When you have a weak military, which wasted Billions upon Billions of taxpayer's money in an endless insurgency war. You will be tripped on by the foreigners.

That is the Reality in this world.

No amount of CHEST THUMPING Pinoy Pride can change this.

Basta ang alam ko it's in our best interest to maintain a war in the Mindanao. Boundary yan ng two religions eh, an age old situation anywhere around the world.

Kaya magaling ang AFP natin