MR for president

[draiman]

Midyo duda ako kay Mar Roxas.
Like yung pulis car na KIA. 1M ang price.. pinag mamalaki niya na naka discount pa daw...
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Ganun din yung parang off road na auto na from INDIA. Na hindi naman kilala sa pinas.

Yung sagot nya sa issue ng Tanim-Bala, umiiwas, at marami pa. Hindi ito ang tipo ng iboboto ko.

[chua_riwap]

Nag basketball kanina si mar sa Big Dome.
Kaso, gumugulong sa basketball court. Ha ha! Nadapang mag-isa.....

[niky]

Nag basketball kanina si mar sa Big Dome.
Kaso, gumugulong sa basketball court. Ha ha! Nadapang mag-isa.....

Boy Semplang, ang pagbalik?

[dishcom]

^ pwd naman ang L300 at hilux or strada. Mas subok na sa mahabang panahon. Maraming parts, mas maraming marunong gumawa. Bakit kasi hindi practical ang goverment ng pinas.

[niky]

^ pwd naman ang L300 at hilux or strada. Mas subok na sa mahabang panahon. Maraming parts, mas maraming marunong gumawa. Bakit kasi hindi practical ang goverment ng pinas.

There is no 4x4 L300.

There are no cab-chassis variants of the Hilux and Strada in 4x4. And if there were, it wouldn't be as cheap as the Enforcer or KC2700.

The only real problem people are having with the win is the actual price. But it should be noted CAC won the bid by underbidding the Japanese, who couldn't field units with better specs for the same price. (supposedly... we don't know what the exact specs were)

It would be interesting to see what those specs were. It's often possible to rig bids by writing arbitrary specification requirements that favor certain manufacturers. But without a copy of those specifications, it's hard to see what other manufacturers could have fielded that could compete on a body-in-white cost basis with the Mahindra or Kia entries. Perhaps only Foton or Tata would have had a chance to get in the door.

And even then, I'd rather the PNP be using Mahindra Boleros than Foton Blizzards.

[dishcom]

There is no 4x4 L300.

There are no cab-chassis variants of the Hilux and Strada in 4x4. And if there were, it wouldn't be as cheap as the Enforcer or KC2700.

The only real problem people are having with the win is the actual price. But it should be noted CAC won the bid by underbidding the Japanese, who couldn't field units with better specs for the same price. (supposedly... we don't know what the exact specs were)

It would be interesting to see what those specs were. It's often possible to rig bids by writing arbitrary specification requirements that favor certain manufacturers. But without a copy of those specifications, it's hard to see what other manufacturers could have fielded that could compete on a body-in-white cost basis with the Mahindra or Kia entries. Perhaps only Foton or Tata would have had a chance to get in the door.

And even then, I'd rather the PNP be using Mahindra Boleros than Foton Blizzards.

I think hindi naman need ng 4X4 setup for L300.
Hindi naman pang off road even the KIA. Then pwd din naman siguro bumili ng walang likod na part sa L300 at hilux then ipa gawa na lang sa local manufacturer.

[Juan Martinez]

There is no 4x4 L300.

There are no cab-chassis variants of the Hilux and Strada in 4x4. And if there were, it wouldn't be as cheap as the Enforcer or KC2700.

The only real problem people are having with the win is the actual price. But it should be noted CAC won the bid by underbidding the Japanese, who couldn't field units with better specs for the same price. (supposedly... we don't know what the exact specs were)

It would be interesting to see what those specs were. It's often possible to rig bids by writing arbitrary specification requirements that favor certain manufacturers. But without a copy of those specifications, it's hard to see what other manufacturers could have fielded that could compete on a body-in-white cost basis with the Mahindra or Kia entries. Perhaps only Foton or Tata would have had a chance to get in the door.

And even then, I'd rather the PNP be using Mahindra Boleros than Foton Blizzards.

+1
and i'd like to add, in government procurement, agencies do not have the privilege to choose a specific brand among several bidders because reference to brands is NOT allowed. in general, without going into specifics, we go by the specs, the ABC, and the LCB.

[niky]

+1
and i'd like to add, in government procurement, agencies do not have the privilege to choose a specific brand among several bidders because reference to brands is NOT allowed. in general, without going into specifics, we go by the specs, the ABC, and the LCB.

Hehe... from my days in purchasing, I can say it's possible to pre-arrange a bidding by asking for specific items that no one else will have... like "The unit must possess a super-turbo encabulator, and a Mister Fusion accessory dock"... but in this case, it would be impossible. There are no proprietary software/hardware items on the Enforcer or KC that you can use to exclude competing hardware. The only way to rig the bid would be to write the hp/Nm/cargo capacity/etcetera requirements precisely to exclude certain competitors who don't meet those, but in the end, other "cheap" brands like Foton will still be able to field competitive bids.

For everyone else, or those who've never bid for the government, sample of PNP bid documents:

http://pnp.gov.ph/portal/images/bidd...20document.pdf

I can see ways in which this could be improved.

For example, the acceleration tests seem pretty lackluster. The braking tests, on the other hand, are pretty strict. Though I would change it from a single test to a five-stop test. After the fifth stop (no rest period), the brakes must still hit the required braking distance.

But none of this screams of ultra-specific and selective requirement writing.

[Juan Martinez]

Hehe... from my days in purchasing, I can say it's possible to pre-arrange a bidding by asking for specific items that no one else will have... like "The unit must possess a super-turbo encabulator, and a Mister Fusion accessory dock"... but in this case, it would be impossible. There are no proprietary software/hardware items on the Enforcer or KC that you can use to exclude competing hardware. The only way to rig the bid would be to write the hp/Nm/cargo capacity/etcetera requirements precisely to exclude certain competitors who don't meet those, but in the end, other "cheap" brands like Foton will still be able to field competitive bids.

For everyone else, or those who've never bid for the government, sample of PNP bid documents:

http://pnp.gov.ph/portal/images/bidd...20document.pdf

I can see ways in which this could be improved.

For example, the acceleration tests seem pretty lackluster. The braking tests, on the other hand, are pretty strict. Though I would change it from a single test to a five-stop test. After the fifth stop (no rest period), the brakes must still hit the required braking distance.

But none of this screams of ultra-specific and selective requirement writing.

i was a former member of a BAC before. first LGU then a national gov't agency. the way i look at it, our procurement process isn't foolproof. everything isn't. ☺

BTT

manuel araneta roxas has been eyeing the presidency since his day one in the government. he has the bloodline, the education, and the experience, but he hasn't the connection with the majority of our people. that in itself is an enigma.

[dr. d]

+1
and i'd like to add, in government procurement, agencies do not have the privilege to choose a specific brand among several bidders because reference to brands is NOT allowed. in general, without going into specifics, we go by the specs, the ABC, and the LCB.

out of topic, but...
i find this government policy of not prefering certain brands, illogical.
it's common knowledge that some brands are superior to others. so why don't we put this to good use, when it comes to buying?

choose the lowest bidder? does that not somehow equate to, choosing the inferior over the superior?

[shadow]

out of topic, but...
i find this government policy of not prefering certain brands, illogical.
it's common knowledge that some brands are superior to others. so why don't we put this to good use, when it comes to buying?

choose the lowest bidder? does that not somehow equate to, choosing the inferior over the superior?

Procurement law siguro yan. Hinde pwede sabihin yun brand but you can fix the requirements to fit a preferred and favored brand.


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[Monty]

out of topic, but...
i find this government policy of not prefering certain brands, illogical.
it's common knowledge that some brands are superior to others. so why don't we put this to good use, when it comes to buying?

choose the lowest bidder? does that not somehow equate to, choosing the inferior over the superior?

It is about getting the best possible deal for the government (while meeting minimum specifications) regardless of the brand.

[shadow]

Eh bakit kasi galit kayo na mayaman siya? Eh totoo naman eh. Mukhang maraming inggit hinde naman niya kasalanang maging Araneta-Roxas.


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[Syuryuken]

semplang na ang thread na to naging hate thread na

[rambo149]

problema sa pinas iba tingen sa maka-masa ahaha : )

ibang karisma pag usapan haciendero vs sa normal na tao.

kaya mahirap maging PUBLIC SERVANT sa pinas :p

kaya tayo hinde umaasenso eh.

[boomshine]

Eh bakit kasi galit kayo na mayaman siya? Eh totoo naman eh. Mukhang maraming inggit hinde naman niya kasalanang maging Araneta-Roxas.


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Sinu sino rito galit kay Roxas dahil mayaman sya?

[minicarph]

Sinu sino rito galit kay Roxas dahil mayaman sya?

Si Roxas kasi Araneta Center
Si Binay Ayala Center

Ngaun, tanung Nyo sarili where would you rather go on weekends Makati O Cubao

Sabay sila mall commercial since 70s. Napaunlad ba Nila Cubao. Who goes to Alimall

Dyan pa Lang masukat mo na Kung uunlad ang bansa sa leadership . Why can't they do it on their own turf. At least Duterte is well-loved in Davao and Binay is well loved by the republic of Makati

Tanung kayo busibessmen na nag-open sa cubao, lahat galit dyan. Puro promise 21st century mall daw, clean environment
Yun pala taas lang ng taas ng rent to justify

Ask any Fil-Chinese bizmen, they avoid Cubao like the plague coz of there somewhat deceitful practices

Tapos gawin Nyo pa President yan, kayo na Lang. Magaling silA sa collection, kaya malamang Taraas lalo tax nyo sa term nya, pero look at Cubao, did it improve in terms of facilities.

Think folks ..

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Sa Farmers Plaza Market Nya nakuha yun Mr Palengke na slogan. Kaya expect more palengke, and jeepneys and tricycles in the future. That's the reverse of progress

[shadow]

Sinu sino rito galit kay Roxas dahil mayaman sya?

Ikaw saka si OB [emoji12]


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[boomshine]

Ikaw saka si OB [emoji12]


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To the mods, how could we have a healthy discussion on this thread kung may mga ganitong comments?

[shadow]

To the mods, how could we have a healthy discussion on this thread kung may mga ganitong comments?

You're asking me and I just replied.


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