Leni Robredo, The Vice President

[Ry_Tower]

Who let the dogs out
Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof
Who let the dogs out
Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof
Who let the dogs out
Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof
Who let the dogs out

The party was nice the party was pumping
Ah yepee ah yo
And everybody having a ball
Yepee ah yo
And tell the fellas stop the name callin'
Yepee ah yo
Then them girls respond to the call
I hear a woman shout outa?

[kartog]

yeah I just differentiated the use of the word "they" according to who or what it should directly refer to, because even though they are both government entities, one is in the Executive Branch and the other Legislative...both elected by the way

of course!
only congress can give out budgets.
what are budgets for?
that is a question whose answer is limited only by the imagination. i am confident, government can think of something for the VP to do.

the person is there.
it is up to government to either sideline the VP to uselessness, or to mandate the VP certain active duties.
either way, the VP's salary remains for the taxpayer to pay for.

Again, the Chief Executive already gave her something significant to do. Twice.

If it were you sitting as President, which would you rather do: give your VP your continued trust and confidence--and a cabinet portfolio--in the process risking yet again her daily efforts of sabotaging and undermining your entire administration; or yes, just sideline your VP to uselessness?



Will we be arguing in circles here, me stating the obvious opportunities given to Leni that she squandered, and in reply you wondering whether the government--the Executive Branch in this case--can think of something for the VP to do?



Again, on the "sayang" angle....how much is the VP's salary? Better yet, her entire annual budget? Around PhP600M+? Isn't that more than enough for her daily canned press releases and photo ops? Did the public even get its money's worth during the time she was HUDCC chair? Or when she was the drug czar? Overall, did she contribute to the betterment of the common good or simply just added negativity to the equation?

some administrations ago,
the VP was appointed the nation's foreign affairs secretary.
i thought this gave the VP something important to do, and saved government some spending money.

eliminate the VP position?
that's a thought...
who becomes the spare tire?

The 1987 Constitution provides for the presidential line of succession. If the VP is unable to succeed--which would be the case if the post is eliminated--the Constitution states the Senate President, or if incapable, the Speaker of the Lower House, shall be Acting President until such time a President is elected.

shadow government?
ikaw ang nagsabi niyan.
personally, i do not approve of shadow governments. i prefer everything up front.

That's exactly my point.

The question is, Is that Leni's point as well?

A glaring example: inunahan pa yung Presidente mag congratulate sa "projected" POTUS-elect


That has been her trademark all along.......ambilis masyado magpress release parang may karera tsk.....unahan ba labanan ?




Who does that? Is she the head of state now to do something like that? She just illustrated my point, brilliantly.

[jut703]

Are you implying I'm paid to post on the internet? And that there's even a 13th month bonus?

I knew I've been missing out on something all this time...so where does one sign up for that?


You and your...ahh, "bro" never even pretended to reply to the points I raised, he just posted an overacting commentary on what he thought my emotions were and an image of a crying face while you inferred something forthcoming on my finances..


Do you like Leni and this is your way of standing up for her? Or are you just on the fence regarding her, and figured it'd be funny to post some things you thought would be hilarious?

I've been on this forum for over a decade and have been moderating for several years now - history has proven that anyone who posts exclusively in political threads is typically just out to push an agenda or wreck havoc rather than have a civil discussion. So pardon the skepticism.

Assuming that you're indeed here for proper discourse instead of forcing your beliefs and bulldozing dissent, then perhaps we can have a productive dialogue.

I have high trust in Leni as Vice President, and I believe she's doing a better job at her role than Duterte is as chief executive, for 3 key reasons:

1. She acts with statesmanship - Her addresses have no cusses, are done in a timely manner, and does not digress off-topic like a late-night inuman.

2. She has made the most with the limited budget of the OVP - the OVP has followed through on their suggestions and has transparently accounted for where all the donations have gone to, with regular updates on their page on their COVID relief efforts, as well as poverty alleviation projects in the past and the recent typhoon relief efforts. It's not grandstanding, it's the bare minimum.

3. She is not corrupt and does not give key positions to her corrupt and incompetent lackeys - This again is a bare minimum, but much more so when you promise corruption gone in 3-6 months. As VP though, there's really not much to appoint so that remains to be seen, but untested is better than having a shady track record, i.e. appointing Sinas as Police Chief when he should've been sacked (and Sinas is just the most recent in a long list).

Overall, I would rate her performance as VP 8/10. Minus 1 point for not having the charisma to capture the masses (something that Duterte has loads of). Another point subtracted because she lacks the political capital to get all other politicians to toe the line - should she seek higher office, she will have to rely on the clout of more established politicians/parties who might influence her with their own agendas.

Far from perfect, yes, but a far cry better than the incumbent.

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[Ry_Tower]

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[kartog]

I've been on this forum for over a decade and have been moderating for several years now - history has proven that anyone who posts exclusively in political threads is typically just out to push an agenda or wreck havoc rather than have a civil discussion. So pardon the skepticism.

I appreciate the apology.

Assuming that you're indeed here for proper discourse instead of forcing your beliefs and bulldozing dissent, then perhaps we can have a productive dialogue.

As a regular poster here I have no capability to bulldoze dissent. And even if I had such capability I would still prefer a discussion. As for forcing one's beliefs and a productive dialogue, the former would simply depend on one's perspective and the latter would require both parties participating in it.

I have high trust in Leni as Vice President, and I believe she's doing a better job at her role than Duterte is as chief executive, for 3 key reasons:

1. She acts with statesmanship - Her addresses have no cusses, are done in a timely manner, and does not digress off-topic like a late-night inuman.

If that is what her voters elected her to office for--incidentally, "elected" being still under protest--then her voters got what they wanted. As I've said before in the locked/deleted old Duterte thread, being "disente" is so easy.

If that's all it takes to do good at being Vice President we can just pull a random guy from the streets, dress him in something very dignified, make him recite a prepared politically-correct speech, cancel the hostile Q&A's just to be extra safe and bombard the news spectrum with daily fluff press releases on the random clueless guy. It's not that hard. One would be hard pressed to deny that is actually what they did to Leni.

Duterte, on the other hand, campaigned with his dirty mouth from the start. The Filipino people voted for him, warts and all. You may not have voted for him in 2016, but he won the mandate of the Filipino people.

He may not speak and dress "presidentially" according to your own standards, but it did not matter to the 16 million who voted him to office. What he does have is political will to run the country independent of the traditional influences from the local elite and foreign interests.

Would you rather have the "easy on the eyes" window dressing or the really valuable merchandise carefully kept by the owner inside the safe?

Apparently, some are more superficial and would rather choose the dignified look rather than more pedestrian things like say, political will, which admittedly does not lend itself well to photo ops but is actually one of if not the most important leadership attribute.

2. She has made the most with the limited budget of the OVP - the OVP has followed through on their suggestions and has transparently accounted for where all the donations have gone to, with regular updates on their page on their COVID relief efforts, as well as poverty alleviation projects in the past and the recent typhoon relief efforts. It's not grandstanding, it's the bare minimum.

I will state again, all this is on a scale that is simply not even making a respectable dent on the nation. PhP 14M of what, in a nation of ~106M ? Should we be even serious here?

To pick on a particular point you raised, specifically on donations...during one discussion very similar to the one we're having, I have been informed by some people on her side of the fence, proudly at that, that she and her office actually do not handle the donations at all. A certain NGO known to be very politically aligned with the Cory alliance handles these donations and so yes, she does not have the opportunity to bilk these funds, but whether these NGO's that do the financial work do bilk them, I have no further knowledge to comment one way or the other. The salient point in all these is that, apparently, Leni does not do the work but according to the exact words of her supporter, she just takes the credit and yes, the obligatory photo opp.

How's that for doing the bare minimum?


And I'm sure the few recipients of the OVP's donation drives appreciate the help very much. Speaking of donations, have you by any chance also heard of MVP's donations in kind to the government to deal with the pandemic? How about Ang and SMC's? Talk about making a dent, I bet those made some.

3. She is not corrupt and does not give key positions to her corrupt and incompetent lackeys - This again is a bare minimum, but much more so when you promise corruption gone in 3-6 months. As VP though, there's really not much to appoint so that remains to be seen, but untested is better than having a shady track record, i.e. appointing Sinas as Police Chief when he should've been sacked (and Sinas is just the most recent in a long list).

Oh, she is not corrupt?

Do we already know much about her and her inner circle now to declare with so much conviction she does not give key positions to her corrupt and incompetent lackeys? Does she, as a useless Vice President, even have a "key" enough position to give away for us to be able to make such determination?

I must say, in spite of the daily bombardment of press releases on the "esteemed" VP I still do not know much about her inner circle, the way I know from reading the news about Duterte's good as well as not so good angles. Why is that? Is it simply the reality, or a product of an extremely careful image enhancement participated in by the colluding news media themselves?

I can't say I can identify a corrupt lackey in her inner circle, but I know for sure they are incompetent. How can I tell? Her regular press releases, press cons and overall image enhancement. Except for keeping her entire profile, specifically, the bad under wraps--her team has done a stellar job so far.

The survey makers are trying so desperately hard to keep her numbers up but they can only do so much without totally losing their credibility, thus her dismal approval ratings of late. And those figures are still padded.

Overall, I would rate her performance as VP 8/10. Minus 1 point for not having the charisma to capture the masses (something that Duterte has loads of). Another point subtracted because she lacks the political capital to get all other politicians to toe the line - should she seek higher office, she will have to rely on the clout of more established politicians/parties who might influence her with their own agendas.

Far from perfect, yes, but a far cry better than the incumbent.

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She is 0 in my book.

The two failings you cited are the very indicators that she is an absolute creation of mainstream media and the elite powerbrokers of this country.

She never had political charisma. She became a politician because she was simply appointed by the powers-that-be after her husband's death to be their Cory 2.0. They, meaning their allied media and their entrenched political infrastructure, made sure to develop her image to win a congressional seat and then the vice-presidency.

What political capital? She does not and will never have one. Some higher-ups not necessarily politicians themselves, in her chosen political infrastructure are pulling her strings. How will any political entity even give her her due respect knowing she is not her own woman? The only thing she has, is the vice presidency. To make matters worse, even that is under extreme scrutiny so far by the SC's PET.

Yes let's not even talk about being perfect because being absolutely abysmal would be more appropriate.

And she is a far cry better than Duterte?



She is a far cry from Duterte, because she is nowhere near his ability to lead a nation.

[kartog]

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Sorry about that, must have been tough being offline. So, all loaded up now?

[bxr monkey]

Tingin ko, lahat ng national positions may backing ng political elite or power brokers. Tapos pagalingan sa product packaging at marketing message.

[tarzegetakizerd]

Hirap iplease ng mga tao. Kahit anong gawin mo, mali ka pa din. Imagine giving a zero to someone who helped 15% of the population. Ako, Anti-dutertard, pero I would not five the man a zero. I'm stiff with my principles, but I'm not that inflexible.

[Wh1stl3r]

I appreciate the apology.

As a regular poster here I have no capability to bulldoze dissent. And even if I had such capability I would still prefer a discussion. As for forcing one's beliefs and a productive dialogue, the former would simply depend on one's perspective and the latter would require both parties participating in it.


If that is what her voters elected her to office for--incidentally, "elected" being still under protest--then her voters got what they wanted. As I've said before in the locked/deleted old Duterte thread, being "disente" is so easy.

If that's all it takes to do good at being Vice President we can just pull a random guy from the streets, dress him in something very dignified, make him recite a prepared politically-correct speech, cancel the hostile Q&A's just to be extra safe and bombard the news spectrum with daily fluff press releases on the random clueless guy. It's not that hard. One would be hard pressed to deny that is actually what they did to Leni.

Duterte, on the other hand, campaigned with his dirty mouth from the start. The Filipino people voted for him, warts and all. You may not have voted for him in 2016, but he won the mandate of the Filipino people.

He may not speak and dress "presidentially" according to your own standards, but it did not matter to the 16 million who voted him to office. What he does have is political will to run the country independent of the traditional influences from the local elite and foreign interests.

Would you rather have the "easy on the eyes" window dressing or the really valuable merchandise carefully kept by the owner inside the safe?

Apparently, some are more superficial and would rather choose the dignified look rather than more pedestrian things like say, political will, which admittedly does not lend itself well to photo ops but is actually one of if not the most important leadership attribute.

I will state again, all this is on a scale that is simply not even making a respectable dent on the nation. PhP 14M of what, in a nation of ~106M ? Should we be even serious here?

To pick on a particular point you raised, specifically on donations...during one discussion very similar to the one we're having, I have been informed by some people on her side of the fence, proudly at that, that she and her office actually do not handle the donations at all. A certain NGO known to be very politically aligned with the Cory alliance handles these donations and so yes, she does not have the opportunity to bilk these funds, but whether these NGO's that do the financial work do bilk them, I have no further knowledge to comment one way or the other. The salient point in all these is that, apparently, Leni does not do the work but according to the exact words of her supporter, she just takes the credit and yes, the obligatory photo opp.

How's that for doing the bare minimum?


And I'm sure the few recipients of the OVP's donation drives appreciate the help very much. Speaking of donations, have you by any chance also heard of MVP's donations in kind to the government to deal with the pandemic? How about Ang and SMC's? Talk about making a dent, I bet those made some.

Oh, she is not corrupt?

Do we already know much about her and her inner circle now to declare with so much conviction she does not give key positions to her corrupt and incompetent lackeys? Does she, as a useless Vice President, even have a "key" enough position to give away for us to be able to make such determination?

I must say, in spite of the daily bombardment of press releases on the "esteemed" VP I still do not know much about her inner circle, the way I know from reading the news about Duterte's good as well as not so good angles. Why is that? Is it simply the reality, or a product of an extremely careful image enhancement participated in by the colluding news media themselves?

I can't say I can identify a corrupt lackey in her inner circle, but I know for sure they are incompetent. How can I tell? Her regular press releases, press cons and overall image enhancement. Except for keeping her entire profile, specifically, the bad under wraps--her team has done a stellar job so far.

The survey makers are trying so desperately hard to keep her numbers up but they can only do so much without totally losing their credibility, thus her dismal approval ratings of late. And those figures are still padded.

She is 0 in my book.

The two failings you cited are the very indicators that she is an absolute creation of mainstream media and the elite powerbrokers of this country.

She never had political charisma. She became a politician because she was simply appointed by the powers-that-be after her husband's death to be their Cory 2.0. They, meaning their allied media and their entrenched political infrastructure, made sure to develop her image to win a congressional seat and then the vice-presidency.

What political capital? She does not and will never have one. Some higher-ups not necessarily politicians themselves, in her chosen political infrastructure are pulling her strings. How will any political entity even give her her due respect knowing she is not her own woman? The only thing she has, is the vice presidency. To make matters worse, even that is under extreme scrutiny so far by the SC's PET.

Yes let's not even talk about being perfect because being absolutely abysmal would be more appropriate.

And she is a far cry better than Duterte?



She is a far cry from Duterte, because she is nowhere near his ability to lead a nation.

If Leni is a 0 to you, how would you grade Duterte?

[Devastator]

Hirap iplease ng mga tao. Kahit anong gawin mo, mali ka pa din. Imagine giving a zero to someone who helped 15% of the population. Ako, Anti-dutertard, pero I would not five the man a zero. I'm stiff with my principles, but I'm not that inflexible.

Simple lang iyan, the DDS, Digong and his old boys club don't like Leni because she is part of the opposition. Iba ang usapan kung si BBM ang nanalo, they probably would have given him the red carpet treatment. That's the problem when you have politics that is too focused on personalities rather than the real issues itself.

If Leni is a 0 to you, how would you grade Duterte?

91 iyan malamang.

[Ry_Tower]

Simple lang iyan, the DDS, Digong and his old boys club don't like Leni because she is part of the opposition. Iba ang usapan kung si BBM ang nanalo, they probably would have given him the red carpet treatment. That's the problem when you have politics that is too focused on personalities rather than the real issues itself.



91 iyan malamang.

1-10 lang, walang dayaan.

[Tha_Mann]

Simple lang iyan, the DDS, Digong and his old boys club don't like Leni because she is part of the opposition. Iba ang usapan kung si BBM ang nanalo, they probably would have given him the red carpet treatment. That's the problem when you have politics that is too focused on personalities rather than the real issues itself.



91 iyan malamang.

agree. lahat ng ginagawa ni Leni eh mali pero pag kay Duterte & his minions eh parang Diyos na walang ginagawang kamalian haha.

*kartog, please tell us what do you expect from Leni ba? you keep on calling her useless VP and yet you know that VPs are only there as a spare tire, do you expect more from her? or do you want her to perfom her duty anytime na hehe. also, she is the elected VP unless proven otherwise.

oh and btw, there is a Duterte thread here. you are just blinded by your hatred for Leni that you fail to see it haha

[Wh1stl3r]

Simple lang iyan, the DDS, Digong and his old boys club don't like Leni because she is part of the opposition. Iba ang usapan kung si BBM ang nanalo, they probably would have given him the red carpet treatment. That's the problem when you have politics that is too focused on personalities rather than the real issues itself.



91 iyan malamang.

Pareho lang ng survey? Ang baba naman!

[Ry_Tower]

A VP is what the President wants it to be. To be used effectively or to be resigned into oblivion. Especially in our political culture where a minority VP will most likely be neglected like a bastard child, and as the admin boys will always lord it over Congress after the balimbing exodus is finished after every election, and so, even the budget of the VP can be railroaded. Good thing senate has some sense - the highest audit ratingfrom COA helped tremendously - and actually fought for a higher budget for next year for the OVP.

[Devastator]

A VP is what the President wants it to be. To be used effectively or to be resigned into oblivion. Especially in our political culture where a minority VP will most likely be neglected like a bastard child, and as the admin boys will always lord it over Congress after the balimbing exodus is finished after every election, and so, even the budget of the VP can be railroaded. Good thing senate has some sense - the highest audit ratingfrom COA helped tremendously - and actually fought for a higher budget for next year for the OVP.

Pero grabe rin yung hostility kay Leni. Apparently Digong and his cabal feel threatened and insecure because she manages to make more sense than them.

[ruelle41]

He may not speak and dress "presidentially" according to your own standards, but it did not matter to the 16 million who voted him to office. What he does have is political will to run the country independent of the traditional influences from the local elite and foreign interests.

Idk if serious or comedy, I hope the latter

[kartog]

Hirap iplease ng mga tao. Kahit anong gawin mo, mali ka pa din. Imagine giving a zero to someone who helped 15% of the population. Ako, Anti-dutertard, pero I would not five the man a zero. I'm stiff with my principles, but I'm not that inflexible.

Being an "Anti-Dutertard" means being against Duterte supporters, not the man himself.

"Anti-Duterte" would be being against the man himself.

So how would you classify your political feelings?


"Hirap iplease ng mga tao. Kahit anong gawin mo, mali ka pa din."

That can be said by Duterte himself about the 3% or so hard-core Dilawans finding fault in everything he does.

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If Leni is a 0 to you, how would you grade Duterte?

Simple lang iyan, the DDS, Digong and his old boys club don't like Leni because she is part of the opposition. Iba ang usapan kung si BBM ang nanalo, they probably would have given him the red carpet treatment. That's the problem when you have politics that is too focused on personalities rather than the real issues itself.



91 iyan malamang.

1-10 lang, walang dayaan.

I already said,


"She is a far cry from Duterte, because she is nowhere near his ability to lead a nation."


Is that information enough?




Putting the scoring aside, I feel I need to address the statement about Duterte not liking Leni because she is part of the opposition.

If mindlessly repeating this to yourselves like a mantra helps you face the daunting world and go on with your regular lives, then please do tell me so I can stop right here.

Otherwise, allow me to disabuse you of this ridiculous notion which apparently despite spending some time in a thread on Robredo, you all genuinely believe to be, for lack of a better word, true.

Have all of you collectively forgot the fact that Duterte from the start included Leni in his cabinet? She was from the opposition at the time, right?

Why do you think Duterte started not liking her? If he did not like her for being "a part of the opposition" then why bother at all including her in his cabinet as head of the HUDCC, a party to the most sensitive plans and conversations between the President and his most trusted advisers?

Surely you all know what triggered her being booted out of the Cabinet meetings, don't you?


So why are you all twisting facts? Duterte does not like her because she betrayed his confidence and continuously undermined him, having the gall to attend Cabinet meetings face to face with him and then the next minute holding press conferences attacking the very government she was actually a part of, not to mention actually letting privy conversations she was a witness to slip out of her mouth to her partymates, all in the name of partisan politics.

That's the reason Duterte does not like her. Not because she is "a part of the opposition".


Will you repeating that apparently unchallenged fabrication here, make it true? Well if you all actually did not know the truth before, you know now.

[kartog]

agree. lahat ng ginagawa ni Leni eh mali pero pag kay Duterte & his minions eh parang Diyos na walang ginagawang kamalian haha.

*kartog, please tell us what do you expect from Leni ba? you keep on calling her useless VP and yet you know that VPs are only there as a spare tire, do you expect more from her? or do you want her to perfom her duty anytime na hehe. also, she is the elected VP unless proven otherwise.

oh and btw, there is a Duterte thread here. you are just blinded by your hatred for Leni that you fail to see it haha

Who said Duterte does not make mistakes?

I know I didn't, so don't put that on me.

As for the words "useless" and "VP" strung together, in my interactions on this thread I believe the first poster who actually used it was dr. d--pardon me doc--I simply used it in replying to his post, and then in a succeeding post replying to moderator jut073 I used the phrase, for the second time. Hardly enough to merit a "you keep on calling her useless VP" riposte, don't you think? Besides, as you yourself know and actually admitted just now, it is simply the truth. It may hurt your feelings to hear it told, but it is the truth.




Yes, I know there is a Duterte thread. I was actually looking for the older one where some here know me--to them thanks for the welcome back again, by the way.

[kartog]

A VP is what the President wants it to be. To be used effectively or to be resigned into oblivion. Especially in our political culture where a minority VP will most likely be neglected like a bastard child, and as the admin boys will always lord it over Congress after the balimbing exodus is finished after every election, and so, even the budget of the VP can be railroaded. Good thing senate has some sense - the highest audit ratingfrom COA helped tremendously - and actually fought for a higher budget for next year for the OVP.

Again, this seeming collective ignorance of the very recent history.


"A VP is what the President wants it to be. To be used effectively or to be resigned into oblivion."

Leni was given a cabinet portfolio. Twice.

Is this idea too complex for some here?

[kartog]

Idk if serious or comedy, I hope the latter

What about

"He may not speak and dress "presidentially" according to your own standards, but it did not matter to the 16 million who voted him to office. What he does have is political will to run the country independent of the traditional influences from the local elite and foreign interests."

are you hoping to be a "comedy"?

If you would kindly expound, I'd appreciate it much.