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    June 21st, 2013 09:24 AM #121
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    hirap talaga maintindihan ang stock market in a layman's point of view. kahit cguro mga financial analyst hindi rin nila alam yan kung kailan tataas at baba.
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    June 21st, 2013 10:39 AM #122
    Quote Originally Posted by A121 View Post
    hintay na lang sa mga bibitawang salita ni Ben Bernanke. ahahahaha

    ilang percent ba interest rate sa us ngayon? tataas ba? lol

    US 10 yr yield

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    June 21st, 2013 11:42 AM #123
    Peso still falling against US $...

    BDO selling rate= 44.35

    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...against-dollar

    MANILA -- The peso has breached the P44-level against the dollar on Friday, further weakening from an already 17-month-low finish on Thursday.

    The local currency opened lower on Friday at P44 per dollar, from its P43.80 close on Thursday.

    The peso, mirroring other Asian currencies, weakened on Thursday after the US Federal Reserve announced it would reduce stimulus due to an improving US economy.

    US Fed Ben Bernanke's statement prompted investors to pull out of emerging markets and divert funds to the US.

    As a result, such also prompted sell-offs in regional equity markets, including in the Philippines.

    The Philippine Stock Exchange index on Friday lost 2.88% or 182.29 points to 6,144.38 as of 9:55 a.m. The broader all-shares index also fell 2.65% or 103.92 points to 3,815.73.
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    June 21st, 2013 11:54 AM #124
    selling peso-denominated assets convert pesos to dollars driving up the dollar

    as the dollar strengthens more foreign-owned peso-denominated assets have to be sold quickly before the dollar goes even higher

    so more selling of peso-denominated assets convert pesos to dollars driving the dollar even higher

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    if you're a local company who borrowed in dollars when USDPHP was at 40...

    your business earns in pesos so now you need more pesos to buy dollars to pay back the loan

    USD appreciation just made the loan more expensive to service
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    June 21st, 2013 12:04 PM #125
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    selling peso-denominated assets convert pesos to dollars driving up the dollar

    as the dollar strengthens more foreign-owned peso-denominated assets have to be sold quickly before the dollar goes even higher

    so more selling of peso-denominated assets convert pesos to dollars driving the dollar even higher

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    if you're a local company who borrowed in dollars when USDPHP was at 40...

    your business earns in pesos so now you need more pesos to buy dollars to pay back the loan

    USD appreciation just made the loan more expensive to service
    There goes the price of fuel products...
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    June 21st, 2013 12:07 PM #126
    importers must be scrambling to buy dollars

    driving the dollar even higher
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    June 22nd, 2013 12:46 AM #127
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    if you're a local company who borrowed in dollars when USDPHP was at 40...

    your business earns in pesos so now you need more pesos to buy dollars to pay back the loan

    USD appreciation just made the loan more expensive to service
    I know of some who borrowed USD before the 1997 financial crisis. Almost got broke. They have to sell a lot of properties to pay the loans.
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    June 22nd, 2013 12:49 AM #128
    Are ROP bonds good? Someone wants to sell me ROP bonds in USD. Guaranteed 5% dividend per annum, given every 6mos.

    Maturity 24yrs from now, yield of around 120%.
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    June 22nd, 2013 10:06 AM #129
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    afaik bonds/government securities guaranteed by the philippines is seemingly safe.
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    June 22nd, 2013 10:24 AM #130
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    Philippines Government Bonds | Philippines Government Bonds Yields
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    June 22nd, 2013 10:38 AM #131
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
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    Philippines Government Bonds | Philippines Government Bonds Yields
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    afaik bonds/government securities guaranteed by the philippines is seemingly safe.
    So will you recommend it?
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    June 22nd, 2013 11:21 AM #132
    i would wait for newer issuance

    bumaba ang prices ng Phil. govt bonds coz of the EM selloff

    newer issuance could have higher interest rate
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    June 22nd, 2013 01:03 PM #133
    But tumataas ang USD.
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    June 22nd, 2013 01:32 PM #134
    but for the same amount of capital why wouldnt you want a newer bond that pays higher interest?
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    June 22nd, 2013 01:35 PM #135
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    But tumataas ang USD.
    oks lang yan. nagbebenta lang ng hawak na local stocks ang mga foreign investors. it will stabilize soon. convert na habang maaga! haha
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    June 22nd, 2013 01:40 PM #136
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    but for the same amount of capital why wouldnt you want a newer bond that pays higher interest?
    Mababa pa pala 5% int?

    Ilan percent ba usually pag govt bonds?
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    June 22nd, 2013 01:43 PM #137
    25yr ba yan?
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    June 22nd, 2013 03:08 PM #138
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    25yr ba yan?
    Yes. Maturity in 2037.
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    June 22nd, 2013 03:24 PM #139
    Or consider corporate bonds..

    Ayala Land May Offer 25-Year Tenor in $486 Million Bond Sale - Bloomberg
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    June 22nd, 2013 03:37 PM #140
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Yes. Maturity in 2037.
    it's already trading at 5.76% yield as of yesterday
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