Digong, The President

[kisshmet]

No need to fight China; We can share – Duterte >> Manila Bulletin News

Ok naman talaga sharing pero bakit kasi sa China pa na inaagaw nga ang teritoryo natin. Pwede naman sa Shell/Chevron tutal meron na partnership sa Malampaya.

Sa China kasi dehado tayo masyado.

china will take it ALL..thats what their claim in the area is for

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[kisshmet]

Lalaban sana, kaya lang ang hina ng philippine military. Sige na nga, share na lang ng sovereignty. Bayot kasi ang military natin, puro tapang na lang

peke nga ang tapang ni duterte

kung yung nakulimbat at itinago ni marcos na yaman ng pinas sa ibang bansa ay naipambili natin ng submarino at air defense systems may laban tayo

kaso hangat may mga pinuno tayo na sarili lang nila ang inuuuna kawawa tayo sa mga manlulupig

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[Wh1stl3r]

Teka, hindi ko pa narerenew Instik passport ko.

Buti na lang mukha kaming intsik ng pamilya ko. 😂

Ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'yo.




Sige, sinong gusto mamatay����

Kung kelangan, ako na lang. Di na rin naman ako bata bro. Pero ililipat ko muna family ko. Kaso di naman yata tatanggap ang AFP ng mga youngish. ☺

[jick.cejoco]

peke nga ang tapang ni duterte

kung yung nakulimbat at itinago ni marcos na yaman ng pinas sa ibang bansa ay naipambili natin ng submarino at air defense systems may laban tayo

kaso hangat may mga pinuno tayo na sarili lang nila ang inuuuna kawawa tayo sa mga manlulupig

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Your "manlulupig " comes from within, elected by bobovoters. The philippines "run like hell by Filipinos". Candidates spend millions to run with an expected salary as a "public servant " only in the hundreds of thousands, you do the math.

[kisshmet]

^the manlulupigs are from the outside who manipulates our compatriots to betray their nation

the philippines is deprived of selfless leaders who put their countries interest first before their own

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[Ry_Tower]

Your "manlulupig " comes from within, elected by bobovoters. The philippines "run like hell by Filipinos". Candidates spend millions to run with an expected salary as a "public servant " only in the hundreds of thousands, you do the math.

Before ganyan, after the 2016 elections, we have what we call an organized machination of China to install a puppet gov't.

[Trippin]

Before ganyan, after the 2016 elections, we have what we call an organized machination of China to install a puppet gov't.

And we all thought Binay was the worst among them in 2016.

[shadow]

And we all thought Binay was the worst among them in 2016.

I called it then. We are better off with binay than duterte.


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[brushless]

If my history and short research is correct.

1937 - Japan invaded the whole of South China Sea.
1947 - China marks South China Sea claim - the nine dash line. Was formally 11 dash line.
1951 - Treaty of San Francisco. Japan renounces all claim on South China Sea.
1974 - Beijing builds military installation, airfield and harbor on Woody Island, the largest of the Paracels. Vietnam plants first permanent installation on Spratlys.
1982 - UNCLOS established.
1988 - China sinks 3 Vietnamese ships, killing 74 sailors, one of the most serious confrontation on the South China Sea.
1992 - China passes law on territorial sea.

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The problem is really old. China has been at it since 1947. None of us here exist yet. lol

[brushless]

I think we are not the only region with overlapping EEZs. Thank you so much UNCLOS for the overlapping EEZs that created so much conflicts which they also cannot police.

1) Canada and United states: Beaufort Sea
2) Canada and France: Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon
3) Croatia, Italy and Slovenia: Adriatic Sea
4) Turkey and Cyprus: south of Cyprus
5) Lebanon, Cyprus and Israel: Overlapping EEZ

[Ry_Tower]

I think we are not the only region with overlapping EEZs. Thank you so much UNCLOS for the overlapping EEZs that created so much conflicts which they also cannot police.

1) Canada and United states: Beaufort Sea
2) Canada and France: Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon
3) Croatia, Italy and Slovenia: Adriatic Sea
4) Turkey and Cyprus: south of Cyprus
5) Lebanon, Cyprus and Israel: Overlapping EEZ

If you are reasonable wala naman conflict eh. If may pareho kayong claim then hahatiin niyo dapat area.

Simple example ia a strait na 100 kms lang. Since may 2 countries in bith sides, their EEZ will be 50kms only from the shoreline.

I think it is possible to have a compromise sa south china sea basta lahat ng claimants before going to arbitration will agree to respect the decision. Tignan mo China, ayaw naman sumunod kaya useless.

The UNCLOS is a good law but has no teeth because no one country or the UN can enforce it withouth violence.

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[brushless]

^If only that was simple. Until now, the countries listed above are still in conflict.

UNCLOS was merely established in 1982.

"Some of its provisions are so vague and imperfect that UNCLOS itself may provide little specific guidance for resolving oceans and law of the sea issues among States." - The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation By Hŭi-gwŏn Pak, p.2

"It is a known fact that UNCLOS contains many ambiguous provisions as a result of compromises reached among States in order to reconcile their conflicting interests and differing views." - Keynote Speech by Judge Shunji YANAI of International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea

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By the way, US did not or will never sign the UNCLOS treaty. It remains outside the convention.

It kind of makes you wonder why.

China can also leave UNCLOS if it wishes to. China signed UNCLOS only in 1996.

[ClaNker]

Mukha ngang masama ang UNCLOS at overlapping EEZ. Panalo paring ang nine dash line ng China.

Mahiya kayo 11 dash line yan before. Nag compromise na ang China, ginawa na lang nilang 9 dash line.

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[Monseratto]

Does the US, Australia or Japan even recognize the claim of PHL over the West Philippine Sea?

[Yatta]

Does the US, Australia or Japan even recognize the claim of PHL over the West Philippine Sea?

At the very least they want freedom of navigation in the area. Having China militarize the SCS hinders both military and commercial movement.

[uls]

[Ry_Tower]

^If only that was simple. Until now, the countries listed above are still in conflict.

UNCLOS was merely established in 1982.

"Some of its provisions are so vague and imperfect that UNCLOS itself may provide little specific guidance for resolving oceans and law of the sea issues among States." - The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation By Hŭi-gwŏn Pak, p.2

"It is a known fact that UNCLOS contains many ambiguous provisions as a result of compromises reached among States in order to reconcile their conflicting interests and differing views." - Keynote Speech by Judge Shunji YANAI of International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea

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By the way, US did not or will never sign the UNCLOS treaty. It remains outside the convention.

It kind of makes you wonder why.

China can also leave UNCLOS if it wishes to. China signed UNCLOS only in 1996.

Kaya nga sabi ko diba unless willing to settle down lahat ng claimants and agree before hand to respect any decision from any tribunal magulo yan.

[brushless]

In the perspective of China, it is merely protecting its 9 dash line claim (was 11) since 1912 where no countries in South East Asia were even contesting it. South East Asian countries and China were at peace with each other.

Come 1982, when UNCLOS was established and the EEZ ruling took effect, territories began overlapping, with each country asserting its rights according to the problematic EEZ.

While the US refuses to sign the treaty.

So, that's the short of the story.

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Problem: How do we resolve the EEZ problem with China in a peaceful manner? We have to take note that we are merely late participants of this territorial claim when UNCLOS was established in 1982.

We have 3 options:

1) Go to war with China with our allies. Kindly note we are not talking about WW2 era weapons. We are talking about advance weaponry and nuclear capabilities on both sides. Severe destruction on our country and the rest of South East Asia.

2) Diplomatic protest till kingdom come, souring ties with China. Worse, cutting ties completely with economic consequences. We will still go to war eventually as it escalates. Same same, only delayed.

3) Peaceful negotiations. You lose some, you win some and get over with it. With economic benefits and friendly ties. Let the US war with China alone to assert open seas. Whoever wins, we will still be at peace with both countries.

My 2 cents worth.

[usong725]

hindi ba parte na nang pilipinas yung ibang nasa loob ng 9-dash line (ie scarborough shoal) nuong panahon pa ng mga espanyol?

sa mga lumang mapa, kasama na sa pilipinas ang scarborough shoal

samantalang napagtripan lang isama nung mga instik (Taiwan) sa mapa nila yung 11 o 9 dash mga 1950s na?



by the way, yung Taiwan may existing claim din ata sa islands sa Batanes

kaya hindi malayong maging probinsya talaga tayo ng china

[uls]

but of course the anti-du30 crowd conveniently ignore rising commodities prices and USDPHP exchange rate and blame everything on TRAIN