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[locoroco777]

See you around...

[yapak]

now, what am I pointing out na nakaka apekto talaga for the long term use and engine lifespan is yung local fuel blend na euro 2 that has a high sulfur content... which in the first place is not meant to be used with the engine itself....kaya nga nag dedetune yung mga car companies ng kanilang mga CRDI engines pagdating dito...

...just be ready for the high cost of ownership when buying brand new. hindi dahil nairaos yung pambili ng unit tapos na gastos. far from it! with the newer diesels, you can only have your pms done at your brand's authorized dealer, hindi na pwede DIY

but if you buy a second hand vehicle, expect your troubles to start the moment you drive off from where you bought it.

i deal with engines everyday and i have an extensive fleet of vehicles both purchased new and used. and i have had my fair share of headaches with maintaining both sides.

salamat mga sir sa replies.

matagal tagal din pala before yung filter replacement, so i guess ok lang din. A little effort (at gastos, hehe) sa alaga/maintenance nga talaga kailangan lalo na with the dirty fuel concern. balak ko pa naman matuto't mag-DIY at iharabas ung unit. hehe.

anyway, konti pa isip. dame rin kasi tsismis sa internet on release of newer models/upgrades by next yr.

[yapak]

* locoroco: sa malolos sir?

hehe, medyo marumi lang po

para hindi OT... see? nakakapag-offroad din nav kahit naka 20" hihihi.

ok nga yung madungis look...parang may orange highlights ung gilid. hehe
shortlisted din navara sa pinagpipilian ko

[trucker111]

bump lang natin.

[gambit1978]

ahh I see sir....

well, actually if you would ask me...

assuming the quality of our diesel fuel here after 10 years is still the same(well I surely hope not)....I can surely say that no current truck in the market with a CRDi engine can last that long....but then again, assuming the Euro 4 diesel will be available in our market soon....this trucks will surely last longer...So I would recommend what am I using now...

mag sir ask ko lang,, sa time ngayon at mga bagong labas na unit may mga issue paba na tumtirik na lang bigla mga crdi engine? na resolve na ba mga problem na ganito ??. tnxx..

[Ry_Tower]

mag sir ask ko lang,, sa time ngayon at mga bagong labas na unit may mga issue paba na tumtirik na lang bigla mga crdi engine? na resolve na ba mga problem na ganito ??. tnxx..

Seems mas ok na ngayon yung mga models na lumalabas. Basta proper observance of PMS and TLC lang, tatagal naman yang CRdi akthough medyo mataas maintenance due to more oil needed pero bawi naman sa performance and FC eh.

[gambit1978]

Seems mas ok na ngayon yung mga models na lumalabas. Basta proper observance of PMS and TLC lang, tatagal naman yang CRdi akthough medyo mataas maintenance due to more oil needed pero bawi naman sa performance and FC eh.

tnxx , kind of getting 1 ... concern lang ako sa mga tirik problems ng mga new ones kaya eto gathering more info muna..

[Benzmizer]

tnxx , kind of getting 1 ... concern lang ako sa mga tirik problems ng mga new ones kaya eto gathering more info muna..

Aside from the valid (if not #1) point that RY pointed out, be conscious also with the type and location of the gas stations you'd have your pick-up filled up. Diesel itself is dirty.... the more it is aggravated with poor maintained tanks. Lalo na yung mga gas stations na madalas nababaha. Sa malamang pinapasok ng tubig mga fuel tanks ng mga yun.

[locoroco777]

mag sir ask ko lang,, sa time ngayon at mga bagong labas na unit may mga issue paba na tumtirik na lang bigla mga crdi engine? na resolve na ba mga problem na ganito ??. tnxx..

from our recent info there is a new version of the part that always fails in the injection which is the suction control valve...

Lets wait a little more from the new owners and see if their units are safe from premature SCV wear....

[Ry_Tower]

Yung SCV ng istubshi bagong model na daw, mas malaki so hindi na susceptible as per the other threads info AFAIK. SO its good.

[gambit1978]

Yung SCV ng istubshi bagong model na daw, mas malaki so hindi na susceptible as per the other threads info AFAIK. SO its good.

tnx sa info... available lang ba eto sa mga bagong model at high ends ng mitsu?? or kahit pati sa mga GL??.. tnxx

[locoroco777]

it should be applied all throughout the entire lineup of 4d56 VGTs including the montero....

[gunslinger]

Reviving thread and posting my query baka may makatulong.

I currently own an automatic 2003 Nissan Exalta DS, bought pre-owned 3 years ago and my gripe is that parts, even the minor ones are not readily available and more expensive compared to other brands. Plus point is the engine reliability since I have had no major problems so far despite daily usage and the car is also used for 10-12 hour drive to the province almost every 2 months.

I am now in the market for a pick-up that will double as family vehicle and delivery truck for my small rice retail store. Can you help me with chossing the best 4x2 pick-up that are currently available in the market?

Purpose: Family vehicle for long drive, Manila to Northern Luzon. 3 kids and 2 adults including driver. Occasional use as a rice delivery truck (5-10 sacks/load).
Budget: 1.1-1.2M
Considerations:
- Ride Comfort
- Passenger Safety
- Fuel Efficiency
- Interior
- Size/capacity of the bed
- Parts availability and product supports
- Maintenance cost

So far, the short list for test driving are the following:

Strada 2.5 GLX 4x2 MT - 12 MY - 975,000.00
Navarra 2.5 CRDi 4x2 MT NUM - 1,110,000
Ford Wildtrak MT 2.5L DuraTORQ TDCi Wildtrak 4x2 Manual - 1,080,000
Strada 2.5 GLS 4x4 MT - 12 MY - 1,210,000.00
DMAX 2012 4x2 LS MT - 1,138,000.00
Hilux 2.5G DSL 4x2 M/T - 1,075,000

I have read through some of the discussions but I would like to solicit answers based on the considerations I have posted. Thanks in advance.

[Ry_Tower]

Reviving thread and posting my query baka may makatulong.

I currently own an automatic 2003 Nissan Exalta DS, bought pre-owned 3 years ago and my gripe is that parts, even the minor ones are not readily available and more expensive compared to other brands. Plus point is the engine reliability since I have had no major problems so far despite daily usage and the car is also used for 10-12 hour drive to the province almost every 2 months.

I am now in the market for a pick-up that will double as family vehicle and delivery truck for my small rice retail store. Can you help me with chossing the best 4x2 pick-up that are currently available in the market?

Purpose: Family vehicle for long drive, Manila to Northern Luzon. 3 kids and 2 adults including driver. Occasional use as a rice delivery truck (5-10 sacks/load).
Budget: 1.1-1.2M
Considerations:
- Ride Comfort
- Passenger Safety
- Fuel Efficiency
- Interior
- Size/capacity of the bed
- Parts availability and product supports
- Maintenance cost

So far, the short list for test driving are the following:

Strada 2.5 GLX 4x2 MT - 12 MY - 975,000.00
Navarra 2.5 CRDi 4x2 MT NUM - 1,110,000
Ford Wildtrak MT 2.5L DuraTORQ TDCi Wildtrak 4x2 Manual - 1,080,000
Strada 2.5 GLS 4x4 MT - 12 MY - 1,210,000.00
DMAX 2012 4x2 LS MT - 1,138,000.00
Hilux 2.5G DSL 4x2 M/T - 1,075,000

I have read through some of the discussions but I would like to solicit answers based on the considerations I have posted. Thanks in advance.

IMHO, get the Strada GLS 4x4. You are only sacrificing a bit on bed space (but considering 10 sacks of rice is just 500kgs, very manageable yan sa Strada) but everything else is good or great plus for that price range, it's a 4x4 baby!

Considerations:
- Ride Comfort - Strada has the best ride
- Passenger Safety - Strada has high safety test results
- Fuel Efficiency - Dmax would be the best bet, the hilux
- Interior - Navarra/Strada
- Size/capacity of the bed - Navarra/Hilux/dmax
- Parts availability and product supports - Ford lang medyo not on par with the rest
- Maintenance costs - I think basically same lang mga yan, cheaper would be Toyota of course due to multitude of aftermarket parts.

Next reco for me will be the Navarra. Third is the Hilux. I am biased in rear seat legroom since it will be used for long travels with yourfamily.

[gunslinger]

IMHO, get the Strada GLS 4x4. You are only sacrificing a bit on bed space (but considering 10 sacks of rice is just 500kgs, very manageable yan sa Strada) but everything else is good or great plus for that price range, it's a 4x4 baby!

Considerations:
- Ride Comfort - Strada has the best ride
- Passenger Safety - Strada has high safety test results
- Fuel Efficiency - Dmax would be the best bet, the hilux
- Interior - Navarra/Strada
- Size/capacity of the bed - Navarra/Hilux/dmax
- Parts availability and product supports - Ford lang medyo not on par with the rest
- Maintenance costs - I think basically same lang mga yan, cheaper would be Toyota of course due to multitude of aftermarket parts.

Next reco for me will be the Navarra. Third is the Hilux. I am biased in rear seat legroom since it will be used for long travels with yourfamily.

Thanks for the inputs. Wifey had started looking for pics in the net and Strada, Navarra and DMAX are on her list in terms of looks. I've decided to scratch DMAX because one of my cousin who owns one doesn't recommend the ride comfort for long distance driving. Hilux I will still test drive for comparison but will not be getting it because of the D4D problem.
Btw, I noticed in looking over postings for the Strada that the latest model for the GLS MT now only comes in 2.5L whereas the previous year its 3.2L. Is the difference noticeable? Aside from the obvious engine diifference, are there any other notable changes between these 2 models?
Forgot to mention that my wife will also be driving the pickup occasionally. She used to drive the 1st Gen Nissan Pathfinder which was her daily car before we got married.
Will appreciate more inputs.

[sjcbagacay04]

Reviving thread and posting my query baka may makatulong.

I currently own an automatic 2003 Nissan Exalta DS, bought pre-owned 3 years ago and my gripe is that parts, even the minor ones are not readily available and more expensive compared to other brands. Plus point is the engine reliability since I have had no major problems so far despite daily usage and the car is also used for 10-12 hour drive to the province almost every 2 months.

I am now in the market for a pick-up that will double as family vehicle and delivery truck for my small rice retail store. Can you help me with chossing the best 4x2 pick-up that are currently available in the market?

Purpose: Family vehicle for long drive, Manila to Northern Luzon. 3 kids and 2 adults including driver. Occasional use as a rice delivery truck (5-10 sacks/load).
Budget: 1.1-1.2M
Considerations:
- Ride Comfort
- Passenger Safety
- Fuel Efficiency
- Interior
- Size/capacity of the bed
- Parts availability and product supports
- Maintenance cost

So far, the short list for test driving are the following:

Strada 2.5 GLX 4x2 MT - 12 MY - 975,000.00
Navarra 2.5 CRDi 4x2 MT NUM - 1,110,000
Ford Wildtrak MT 2.5L DuraTORQ TDCi Wildtrak 4x2 Manual - 1,080,000
Strada 2.5 GLS 4x4 MT - 12 MY - 1,210,000.00
DMAX 2012 4x2 LS MT - 1,138,000.00
Hilux 2.5G DSL 4x2 M/T - 1,075,000

I have read through some of the discussions but I would like to solicit answers based on the considerations I have posted. Thanks in advance.

Sir Why don't you add Nissan Navara Brute 4x4 (1.125M) and Navara Brute XL 4x4(1.235M) to your list?. Looks good to me and 4x4. Maybe just wait for the upcoming 2012 pick up models starting this November: Nissan Navara Tech Xtreme, Chevrolet Colorado, Ford Ranger, Isuzu D-max Models? It's quite worth waiting for a while

[Ry_Tower]

Sir Why don't you add Nissan Navara Brute 4x4 (1.125M) and Navara Brute XL 4x4(1.235M) to your list?. Looks good to me and 4x4. Maybe just wait for the upcoming 2012 pick up models starting this November: Nissan Navara Tech Xtreme, Chevrolet Colorado, Ford Ranger, Isuzu D-max Models? It's quite worth waiting for a while

The Brute from Nissan are bare for that price range vs. the Strada. The new models you mentioned are way over the budget esp the Ranger and Coloradao that's for sure.

Thanks for the inputs. Wifey had started looking for pics in the net and Strada, Navarra and DMAX are on her list in terms of looks. I've decided to scratch DMAX because one of my cousin who owns one doesn't recommend the ride comfort for long distance driving. Hilux I will still test drive for comparison but will not be getting it because of the D4D problem.
Btw, I noticed in looking over postings for the Strada that the latest model for the GLS MT now only comes in 2.5L whereas the previous year its 3.2L. Is the difference noticeable? Aside from the obvious engine diifference, are there any other notable changes between these 2 models?
Forgot to mention that my wife will also be driving the pickup occasionally. She used to drive the 1st Gen Nissan Pathfinder which was her daily car before we got married.
Will appreciate more inputs.

The 4d56 (2.5) is timing belt and indirect injection, the 4m41 (3.2) is timing chain and direct injection. For a daily driver, the 2.5 will give better fuel economy and lower maintenance cost per PMS because you would need less engine oil. 6-6.5 ltrs vs 8 ltrs for the 3.2. Indirect injection is less noisy than direct injection although with the advent of CRDi, this is almost negligible. 4d56 needs glowplugs but direct injection 4m41 don't need glow plugs. Of course you need to change the timing belt every 100,000kms while timing chain can last up to 300,000 kms AFAFAIK.

Read on: Indirect injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[gunslinger]

The 4d56 (2.5) is timing belt and indirect injection, the 4m41 (3.2) is timing chain and direct injection. For a daily driver, the 2.5 will give better fuel economy and lower maintenance cost per PMS because you would need less engine oil. 6-6.5 ltrs vs 8 ltrs for the 3.2. Indirect injection is less noisy than direct injection although with the advent of CRDi, this is almost negligible. 4d56 needs glowplugs but direct injection 4m41 don't need glow plugs. Of course you need to change the timing belt every 100,000kms while timing chain can last up to 300,000 kms AFAFAIK.

Read on: Indirect injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the engine difference explanation and the informative article. How about the difference in the other features and accessories of the 2 models?

Navara will still be considered but as I said, Strada is leading in terms of our considerations.

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sir, the 2012 models are worth the wait.... Hang on to your hard-earned money just a bit more.

May announcement naman ang Ford Ranger that this 2012, the 3.2-litre penta-cylinder is coming. This i think will guarantee the smoothest ride of them all, engine-wise (since it's a straight 5-cylinder) and chassis-wise (should come now with better suspension).


At a hindsight, as far as the current models are concerned:

If you're after ride comfort ---- the Navara ang Strada are well-suspended.

If you're after fuel-economy and engine longevity ---- the DMax 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ the most frugal of them all. Also, you know anyway for a fact that Isuzu are timing chain and gear-driven anyway. Our 2003 Crosswind has thus far travelled 320,000 km now and counting (no major engine maintenance nor opening up), and our 2004 DMax 3.0 TD Intercooler, the same no opening up of the engine, 300,000 km now and counting. Now, let's see if our 2008 DMax 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ can outlast the two.

If you're after chassis-longevity ---- both the DMax and the Navara have 8-cross members rolling chassis, the most number in the class.

But if i were you, i would wait for 2012.

Goodluck!

[locoroco777]

My advise? with your budget of 1 to 1.2m.....I'll wait for the All new Ford ranger....