"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

**romski123** · October 18th, 2009 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Better not believe all the PR BS you hear from the news. "Positioning" doesn't mean it has happened already.

actually betterplace http://www.betterplace.com/ is happening already

**ghosthunter** · October 18th, 2009 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by romski123

actually betterplace http://www.betterplace.com/ is happening already

so what about a website? "Heaven's Gate" had a website but the spaceship didn't pickup the cult members as mentioned in the site.

**romski123** · October 18th, 2009 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

so what about a website? "Heaven's Gate" had a website but the spaceship didn't pickup the cult members as mentioned in the site.

We visited Better Place's head office in Palo Alto Nov lastyear. They presented to us the concept. Truly inspiring. Hardly a cult

They already have operations running in Israel and Denmark. They got the government to opt in. So they set up a network of charging stations and commisioned Nissan to build 5,000 electric cars that betterplace is leasing out.
They are using the business model of the celfone. Build the network first then sell the units cheap. And they will only charge based on kilometers driven, much like the celfone which charges by the minute.

here are some people in our delegation. (wla ako dyan hehe)

and we also visited tesla.

they are backed up with 1,000 orders.

e-vehicles are here to stay.

**jpdm** · October 18th, 2009 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by romski123

We visited Better Place's head office in Palo Alto Nov lastyear. They presented to us the concept. Truly inspiring. Hardly a cult

They already have operations running in Israel and Denmark. They got the government to opt in. So they set up a network of charging stations and commisioned Nissan to build 5,000 electric cars that betterplace is leasing out.
They are using the business model of the celfone. Build the network first then sell the units cheap. And they will only charge based on kilometers driven, much like the celfone which charges by the minute.

here are some people in our delegation. (wla ako dyan hehe)

and we also visited tesla.

they are backed up with 1,000 orders.

e-vehicles are here to stay.

Good to hear these news from you, romski123!

**marg** · October 18th, 2009 07:42 PM

Romski,

As long as you use Lead-Acid batteries for your vehicles, it will have range problems and will not be accepted by the mass market. Not to mention the 15-month battery replacement that costs P160T.

Tesla and the Nissan Leaf uses lighter and higher capacity Li-Ion batteries in order to be viable.

**ghosthunter** · October 18th, 2009 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by marg

Romski,

As long as you use Lead-Acid batteries for your vehicles, it will have range problems and will not be accepted by the mass market. Not to mention the 15-month battery replacement that costs P160T.

Tesla and the Nissan Leaf uses lighter and higher capacity Li-Ion batteries in order to be viable.

I just want to add something.

Lead acid batteries have a shorter life if the batteries are drained deeper during each cycle. So example to illustrate:

battery drain at 80% of max capacity before recharging = 200 cycles
battery drain at 50% of max capacity before recharging = 500 cycles
battery drain at 20% of max capacity before recharging = 800 cycles

Actual capacity drain vs cycles might differ between lead acid batteries.

**romski123** · October 18th, 2009 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by marg

Romski,

As long as you use Lead-Acid batteries for your vehicles, it will have range problems and will not be accepted by the mass market. Not to mention the 15-month battery replacement that costs P160T.

Tesla and the Nissan Leaf uses lighter and higher capacity Li-Ion batteries in order to be viable.

We have learned to accept that we are not yet meant to service the mass market. And it does not make sense to sell to PUJ's because no new franchises are being given out by the LTFRB. And existing PUJ operators are unwilling to change their units.

That is why we are servicing resorts, institutions and LGU's who want to pioneer the electric vehicle revolution for the Philippines.

Right now I think what's important is to provide jobs for local workers in the auto industry.

The City of makati will soon be launching its Green route around the Central Business District. They dedicated 2 loops around Makati specifically for e-jeepneys! It's FREE!! (Not only on fares, but on emmiessions as well)Watch for it!

It's already viable marg. We have supplied to many resorts, banko central, congress, LGU's and NGO's.

And when Lithium ion becomes affordable we will also go that route. Mabuhay! May pag asa pa ang local auto industry!

**ghosthunter** · October 18th, 2009 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by romski123

The City of makati will soon be launching its Green route around the Central Business District. They dedicated 2 loops around Makati specifically for e-jeepneys! It's FREE!! (Not only on fares, but on emmiessions as well)Watch for it!

False! ... The power used to charge the batteries are still generated somewhere. You can claim there are plans to generate power via bio-mass or solar, etc. But unless it is already functioning, it is just moving emissions from the tail-pipe to somewhere else. It will not be emissions-free.

The batteries themselves are toxic wastes by 1.5 years of operation. The Philippines has no facility to properly handle the proper clean/green recycling of these batteries.

And when Lithium ion becomes affordable we will also go that route. Mabuhay! May pag asa pa ang local auto industry!

Unless there is a major break through with battery technology, it will not be coming from lithium ion batteries.

**romski123** · October 18th, 2009 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

False! ... The power used to charge the batteries are still generated somewhere. You can claim there are plans to generate power via bio-mass or solar, etc. But unless it is already functioning, it is just moving emissions from the tail-pipe to somewhere else. It will not be emissions-free.

The batteries themselves are toxic wastes by 1.5 years of operation. The Philippines has no facility to properly handle the proper clean/green recycling of these batteries.

Unless there is a major break through with battery technology, it will not be coming from lithium ion batteries.

It's actually ....TRUE

The power used to recharge the batteries will come from the Magallanes Biodigester (hindi na plano). And a charging station has been set up at the makati Fire Station. Thus completing the clean and green loop.

If you have read up on our ejeepney project you will know that the ejeepney is just one component of the the Clean Cities Program. The other 2 components is a Biodigester which will generate energy from waste and the other is a network of charging stations.

Check it out. http://www.lucidverses.net/gripp/.

As for the batteries, Motolite now has the facility to properly recycle them. You should see their newly set up recycling plant. State of the art.

**romski123** · October 19th, 2009 12:03 AM

Climate Friendly Cities

The Climate Friendly Cities initiative is a project that aims to contribute to climate change mitigation and promote sustainable transport and waste management initiatives.
Led by the Green Renewable Independent Power Producer, Inc., or GRIPP, in partnership with DOEN Foundation, the project aims to use energy from organic wastes from the wet markets, business establishments, and households of partner cities to power an environmentally-friendly public transport system composed of the eJeepneys.

The project consists of 3 components:

a fleet of electric jeepneys or eJeepneys, each with a capacity of twelve (12) passengers;
a depot that will serve as charging station; and
a power plant consisting of a generator, an anaerobic digester or biodigester (an industrial system that promotes the decomposition of organic waste to produce biogas that can be used to power electricity generators), and a gas engine.

Biogas technologies harness biogas or methane from liquid or wet organic wastes from the livestock, food processing and beverage industries, as well as municipal solid waste and sewage treatment plants, to run a generator to produce electricity.
In the Climate Friendly Cities project, the biodigester will break down organic waste collected from municipal solid waste and sewage treatment plants, as well as the livestock, food processing and beverage industries of the partner cities. The process is as follows:
First, both the wet market and commercial food waste streams will be thoroughly cleaned of material such as metals and plastics. The waste will then be shred and mixed, and fed into digesters where their total solid content will be reduced through the introduction of an effluent such as pig manure or abattoir waste. The resulting slurry will be heated to accelerate the activity of bacteria decomposing the solids, thereby producing gas. The gas will, in turn, be fed to a gas engine that will produce electricity.
By steering clear of fossil fuels, these eJeepneys have not only revolutionized a Philippine icon, they have also provided an answer to the biggest challenge threatening our planet today: climate change.
The Climate Friendly Cities is supported by DOEN Foundation, an organization that strives towards the achievement of a liveable world in which everyone has a place. DOEN supports organizations and projects in the fields of Sustainable Development, Culture, Welfare, and Social Cohesion.