NEED ADVISE: Vehicle/Engine submerged in flood water [MERGED]

[wendellburug]

was in my brother's place in valle 2. sampaguita st. (parallel to lanuza ave.) was waist deep in flood water. i heard it was the same in valle 1 also.

I see..kasi my binebenta sa akin dun car..he told me their place is not flooded which is valle verde..so now i know..wag na lang ituloy..thanks magister

[pedro2002]

got my city 2002 working a week after being flooded in dashboard deep water. buti na lang hindi nasira ECU. been driving it for the past couple of days. at first maingay yung alternator and i had the stuck up bearings replaced. after that ok na alternator but yung clutch naman maingay kapag nakadis-engage. it's most probably a stuck up or dirty clutch release bearing. question is, will it cause more damage to the clutch assembly pag pinabayaan ko na lang? i just had the clutch replaced last year kaya medyo hesitant pa ko pabuksan ulit. thanks in advance for all the help.

[jabbronx]

What if nilusong mo lang kotse mo sa baha lubog halos yung gulong pero nakaka-andar ka pa naman, do you still need to replace engine oil, tranny oil?

[shadow3616931]

What if nilusong mo lang kotse mo sa baha lubog halos yung gulong pero nakaka-andar ka pa naman, do you still need to replace engine oil, tranny oil?

No need unless kung tumirik ka at pumasok na sa loob ang water, kung hindi naman kelangan mo din pa check and repack mga wheel bearing CVT joint if any, tranny and differential fluid if contaminated, alternator kung inabot, sensors kung umilaw engine trouble warning light, check exhaust sytem and catalytic converter if any.

Kaya hanggat maaari ayoko lumusong kahit SUV dala ko.

[ehnriko]

was in my brother's place in valle 2. sampaguita st. (parallel to lanuza ave.) was waist deep in flood water. i heard it was the same in valle 1 also.

you mean Valle Verde 2?!?....

[ehnriko]

What if nilusong mo lang kotse mo sa baha lubog halos yung gulong pero nakaka-andar ka pa naman, do you still need to replace engine oil, tranny oil?

Any Car na na-baha or binaha... whether if its running or not - will need servicing and check up. Basically - brakes, wheel bearings and tranny oil.

The Trannies have a breather orifice, pag ang baha ay lampas baywang - it follows that your trannies oil is more likely contaminated. Your wheel bearing have light grease and will definitely be washed out and displaced by Flood water which is basically much heavier in molecular weight than oil.

Unless you are using a metal treating oil which can protect the surface of the bearings metal from water.

But this is not common, and normally, petroleum based oils and greases are used by most cars which is and can be easily displaced by flood waters.

Pag inabot ang dashboard - everything should be taken apart for inspection, rinsing, cleaning, drying and greasing or lubing.

If your alternator showed the first sign, and your clutch is now making funny sounds when disengaged, rest assure - the starter will soon follow, then your idler pulley will soon freeze and stuck up - affecting the fan belt/s which will and can slow down your engine and make the car even consume more fuel, worse - ovewrheat once the belt is destroyed since it runs the water pump.... then terminals having lose connections or corrosions, not to mention corroded wires, (they tend to arc and will fuse out eventually) your electrical connections will start triggering lamps and lights or busting them including fuses...

The car is not a living thing... it's just a machine that was not designed to be submerged under water. Parang Celfone, pag nahulog sa tubig, you need to remove the battery - let it dry, blow air into it - leave it to dry under some airy, lighted and dry surface. If your lucky, it will work back to normal. With cars that have more metal to metal contacts - the tireless rust will give you a different story.

Murphy's Law suggests that - if anything can go wrong... it will go wrong. So if it was flooded...the probability for it to go wrong has been raised to the power of 10.

You need to eliminate this factor by replacing the primary item that controls 90% of the cars performance... and that is it's central nervous system... the ECU (brain) and the electrical contacts...(the nervous system). The fluids..(fuel, lube oil, greases= this is your cars blood). Bearings (muscles and joints).

[speed unlimited]

Kung may paraan pa huwag ng ilusong sa baha ang kotse ninyo kung may maiiwasan pa . Abala sa pagpapagawa sa stock up na brake piston. at marami ring papasukin ng tubig sa mga suspension .Transmission pag kulay gatas contaminated na ng tubig.

[ehnriko]

OK....

If anyone is still having problems with their ECU on a new car because of flood problem.

Just PM me... Try the MEGA Squirt VEMS-1 solution. We can do a demo installation if anyone is interested. Install time may take between 3 to 6 hours. But if it's an OBD2... maybe lesser.

Don't bother entertaining the thought that you can still bring your flooded car back to it's real state or even value. Do yourself a favor.... Mega Squirting it will solve not only your immediate problem... getting your car to run ASAP - is urgent since you need this to move around. But restoring it to original condition? - dont even think of it. You need not restore it... you need to Rejuvenate or Rehabilitate it... this is what you need to do in order to raise up the service value of a flooded car. Moreover, the faster it can be used back to livery - the slower can rust eat it.

Have you Ever wondered why a house deteriorates faster if nobody lives there?... ganun din ang kotse. Kelangan laging nagagamit para di kapitan o kainin ng kalawang.

Meron pa bang mga otong di pa na se servisan up to now?... If there is... and if I were you the owner... you need to do this ASAP. Dont wait for the Casa to do this for you... try another detailing shop, or detailer to dry everything in out. Have all the joints, parts repacked and greased. ASAP.

If water settles down into your engines and bearings and electrical contacts... you will have a bigger problem waiting to happen like a surprise. Thats the least thing you need right now.

[magister]

you mean Valle Verde 2?!?....

yup. valle verde 2. walang kalaban-laban yung auto ko. pinanood ko lang lumubog. had i stayed home, baka na save ko pa yung kotse.

[hammerhead2]

is there a way to know if the parts that casas tell you to replace should really be replaced? I have my car under insurance for AOG but it might be causing delay due to the said "unavailability" of parts.

i think dealers tend to make profits by delaying repairs as well. some of the more well-off people have bought new cars because they could not wait. hopefully, casas do not abuse us by further delaying the supposed "parts."

[arguscane]

mga sir evening sa inyong lhat, kailangan ko sana ng opinyon nyo....d ko alam kung buo p computer box ko o hnd...hnd dn nman masabi ng electrical na nakuha ko kung ok b sya o hnd...hirap nman pa check sa mga auto electrical shop kc dami tlga nag papagawa. tanong ko lng kung sira b tlga ang computer box kung ayaw magstart ng makina? ano b tlga ang indication kung sira ang isang computer box? any opinion is much appreciated...salamat!

[ehnriko]

is there a way to know if the parts that casas tell you to replace should really be replaced? I have my car under insurance for AOG but it might be causing delay due to the said "unavailability" of parts.

i think dealers tend to make profits by delaying repairs as well. some of the more well-off people have bought new cars because they could not wait. hopefully, casas do not abuse us by further delaying the supposed "parts."

Dealers will nevcer make any profit with the delays they make... they are actually helpless with this event.

The problem is - you as a new car owner is at the mercy of the dealer... and the dealer is at the mercy of the supplier in this case - the Auto maker and its' OEM partners.

The allocation of parts and supplies for your dealer is already set for every year... the flood is unexpected and therefore - cannot be prioritized by suppliers just to mitigate shortage in a small market - the Philippines.

The Casas are helpless themselves. Unless you dont want to let rust work overtime, i would consider asking for a rebate from the casa or dealer if I decide to have my car fixed outside - since it is under AOG coverage and since they cannot handle an expedited service naman.

[ehnriko]

mga sir evening sa inyong lhat, kailangan ko sana ng opinyon nyo....d ko alam kung buo p computer box ko o hnd...hnd dn nman masabi ng electrical na nakuha ko kung ok b sya o hnd...hirap nman pa check sa mga auto electrical shop kc dami tlga nag papagawa. tanong ko lng kung sira b tlga ang computer box kung ayaw magstart ng makina? ano b tlga ang indication kung sira ang isang computer box? any opinion is much appreciated...salamat!

Your Computer Box is an Electronic Device or Brain aka ECU - which is not designed to work under water nor survive any flood.

IC's are static and grounding sensitive. The moment water sets in - it will short it's circuitry causing damage to the internal hardwire program.

Mapapagana mo lahat ng Electricals mo - pero yung Electronics - medyo malabo na yan.

Since flooded car naman yan at malabong maibalik na yung integridad ng body compared with the flood survivor cars... I suggest you convert it into Mega Squirt ECU VEMS-1, wala ka pang sakit ng ulo.

But since you have already been spending for the revival of your car... go to Speedlab - I believe they have a good reputation when it comes to ECU repairs.

Ang Casa, nag sa subcon or outsource lang when it comes to this... since they do not really repair ECU's... they only remove and replace them. The Osciloscope cannot tell if it is really going to function back to original... it will only tell about signal and electrical input and output readings. in other words... It will not run the same again.

I hope this helps.

If you want to know about mega squirt baka sakali lang na ma realize mo na mas lalaki pa gagastusin mo... here's one of the links... pinoymegasquirt . blogspot . com

nothing to lose by checking it.

[kingV]

Good day fellow tsikoteers.

The topic of this thread is regarding Advices to flood-submerged vehicles. I have read through the threads & have seen many opinions/comments/suggestions from the tsikoteers with variety of technical knowledge. One thing is accurate though: these flood-submerged vehicles will never perform at the pre-submerged state (even after replacing all that are malfunctioning components now since other problems will surely arise). Even if all wiring harness are replaced, ECU's, relays/ & its boxes & circuitry, etc. The starters, alternators, air compressors & the likes will soon give way also. You may also consider the tensile strength of the chassis, underchassis components, etc. Replacing these all will cost a car owner an amount higher than the value of the vehicle itself. Nothwithstanding the possibility of vehicle breakdowns while in transit, the stress, towing fees, & other incomprehensible risk factors & inconveniences. Later on you'll be burdened with selling a flood submerged vehicle. Buyers these days are knowledgable of the problems a car will have resulting from being submerged in flood.

Allow us to offer you another option: sell your car & use the suppose repair money (which will give you a false security) & just buy another vehicle (just make sure that it hasn't been submerged in flood). Less worries, stress & hassle.

We are willing to buy your car on an as-is-where-is basis. You may contact Ayen at 09XXXXXXXXX. Give your vehicle's description, your contact name & landline telephone, & we'll get back to you with an offer.

[aremvy]

i have a toyota revo at binaha din. i've got it fix by a mechanic named dennis. he's from mandaluyong. very honest, professional, napakasipag at maayos gumawa. from engine, transmission up to detailing ginagawa niya. kung may kailangang piyesa, ikaw pabibilhan niya o kaya sasamahan kang bibili, hindi tulad ng ibang mechanic na tatagain ka pa pag may bibilhing pyesa.

if you need a mechanic, just call/text him on this no. 09XXXXXXXX
tell him na nirefer ni ryan.

[hammerhead2]

I have two cars submerged in flood. one is a civic up to just below the steering wheel - it has been classified as an A, which the dashboard was not submerged. I got it in Honda Dasma October 1, paid 5K for towing. Only got Letter of Approval from MAA Oct 14! Mine was the 16th car they got for flooding. Now there is 150 plus in there and I got pushed back because of the delay. I only found out yesterday when I visited the casa. Seats and carpet have been pulled out. Rusting evident in some parts. If only I got the LOA earlier, my car would have been out by next week.

Now, my starex can be accepted in the casa. It was submerged only slightly above the flooring. It still runs. They can start working on it tomorrow. However, the LOA will again take some time. Shall I pay for it first then claim from insurance? Is that a good idea? I cannot miss out on the opportunity on someone working on my car immediately but it might be hard to claim for reimbursement.

[_Qwerty_]

hindi nag a approve nang reimbursement ang insurance.. gusto nila wag mo muna galawin yung car hanggang hindi nila nakikita.. kasi pag ginalaw mo.. baka ma deny yung claim kahit may AOG ka pa... yan ang sabi sa Standard Insurance.

[ehnriko]

If your car is new and you have Comprehensive Insurance... always coordinate first with your insurance agent before you decide to have it repaired outside the CASA.

They need to know first what condition your car is in, does it have police report? if it doesn't have one, then at least their official insurance investigator should see it first.

Since your car can't wait to be serviced right away and it need to be dried up inside out... you may demand for your insurance agent to see you right away or just agree for you to conduct emergency works or servicing right away since this will be detrimental to the state of your cars body intergrity as well as it's internal and underpart components including the electricals.

Unless your insurance company agrees to have everything replaced as it is covered in your policy agreement. But the question is... WHEN????

If this is the case, then it is better to leave your car rot or rust by the minute or second as it waits it's turn.

The only certainty is, it will be covered but the rusting and rotting will definitely be accelerated.

The flooded cars with the best resale value or service value will be the ones that have been serviced earlier.

If you realize that you are already in a cut-loss situation... then it's probably better to sell it to those who are in the car exchange business and just buy a new one. This will remove all the headaches... provided you have realized that this is the best move to make.

But if you have the luxury of time, effort and money... and saving your precious investment is more valuable to you than any other options... always make a move that wont go in technical conflict with your insurance coverage.

Unless - you want to break free.

Now if my opinion is taken... I think insurance are useless. Better keep the money you are paying your premiums in the bank as your contingency fund. In case of an emergency - you are free to use it. Insurance for me is like betting for something bad to happen to you. Has anyone ever wondered how much is going to the insurance company?... how much or how many people are really paying or Betting for nothing?.... but of course - this is just me or my opinion... I am not encouraging anyone to think the same way. Just putting more thoughts for everyone to ponder.

Knowledge that turns into Wisdom is true power...

[ghosthunter]

Well, insurance is betting... betting on statistics that in a certain group of people, only a certain number will have an accident.

But I would rather have my insurance than having to be caught ill-prepared. The only reason why the insurance companies are having a hard time is the sheer volume of claims. In normal days, having insurance on your car is a comfort that repairs on your car will not cost YOU an arm and a leg.

Insurance might be a financial "burden" but not having one might be a bigger headache for typical car owners. If paying P10,000 for car repairs is already painful/stressful ... then imagine having to negotiate settlements, etc when there are more than one party involved. Having an insurance company to cover for you is a comfort.

[ehnriko]

Thats true...

Specially if the premium is relatively low.

I guess those MB or the like owners with P300K annual premium also thinks it's a safety net of some kind.

But then again, being comfortable is relative.