World Oil Production Passed its Peak?

[pajerokid]

hehe. flux capacitor lang kelangan nyo

[empy]

sabi ko na nga ba eh

[niky]

True, Brazilian biofuels are seasonal, at best. And prices fluctuate with the growing season.

And unlike many countries, Brazil actually has the agricultural capacity to produce its own biofuels.

Nuclear engines are not an answer either. Fissionable materials are a limited natural resource, and fusion is still a distant dream.

Solar is part of the future. But it's still too expensive. Hydroelectrics, Hydrothermic and Geothermic resources need to be developed to redress the balance.

And again, the hydrogen economy is a false one, because you still use other resources to produce hydrogen in usable form.

[EL Chicane]

And again, the hydrogen economy is a false one, because you still use other resources to produce hydrogen in usable form.

That "other resources" needed to produce hydrogen, can be nuclear power, in which America has. The key here is for America to eliminate dependence on oil. How can that be false?

[Bogeyman]

That "other resources" needed to produce hydrogen, can be nuclear power, in which America has. The key here is for America to eliminate dependence on oil. How can that be false?

As niky said, the materials needed for nuclear fission i.e. uranium and plutonium are already scarce enough as it is, more so than oil. Nuclear fusion will not be viable for at least the foreseeable future. Lugi lang ang US economy kasi mas malaki ang magagastos nila for nuclear energy, not to mention it being downright dangerous. It's not exactly a sustainable energy alternative.

[BlueBimmer]

oh crap, i should scrounge up enough cash for a vacation around the world now before the oil peak and plane tickets will triple and quadruple :D

[BlueBimmer]

lets clone coconuts! :D

sorry useless ideas hehe

[Bogeyman]

It won't be long before the whole world finally bows down to kiss our nuts!

One thing that needs to be addressed in biodiesel is its solvent quality at 100% blend. It has to be safe enough for the engine so we can finally do away with blending it to regular diesel.

[RafRaf]

I'm starting to sound like an activist here. Not my style, not my intent. Simply to support alternative fuel lang po. I think I've said to much for my good na. Thanks for hearing me out.

OK, I'm out of here.

[uls]

and the price should be lower than regular fuel.

For comparison lang: magkano ang virgin coconut oil? diba mga 150-200 per 500 ml? alam ko iba ang coco-biofuel sa virgin coconut oil... but if the virgin coconut oil costs that much, will the price per liter of pure coco-biofuel be far from that price of VCO? kahit kalahati mahal parin.

Eto ang tanong: magagawa ba nila P25.00-P30 per liter ang pump price ng coconut-biofuel?

[Bogeyman]

and the price should be lower than regular fuel.

That will depend on market demand. An increase in demand will encourage more investments into full-scale CME production. So far, yes it's promising, especially from an environmental and automotive standpoint.

The price is of little concern, at least for me. Whatever I pay in excess per liter compared to regular diesel, I definitely get back in the form of increased mileage. Well worth it, IMO.

[uls]

alternative fuel is a product that has to be accepted by the general public before there will be demand.

its what the producers and sellers can offer us.

even if they have supply, if its too expensive, nobody's gonna buy.

if it performs poorly in our cars, people will stop buying it.

What we need is a cheaper alternative to regular fuel that performs just as good.

[uls]

No jeepney or bus operator or regular motorist will buy an alternative fuel thats 1 or 2 pesos higher than regular fuel.

even 50 centavos more will discourage anyone.

thats assuming the alternative fuel producers can even price their products that low...

Considering that most people gas up on 93 octane rather than higher octane, it shows price is definitely a big issue.

[Bogeyman]

No jeepney or bus operator or regular motorist will buy an alternative fuel thats 1 or 2 pesos higher than regular fuel.

even 50 centavos more will discourage anyone.

There's quite a number of people here who are not regular motorists, by your definition. And no, 50 centavos more certainly does not deter me in the least, if it's my ticket to a better engine and better air.

Mindset is also a big part; this is not just an overnight stop-gap, but a long-term solution. In case you didn't know, Baguio City had the highest pollution index (75.2) in the country prior to biodiesel. When the Clean Cities Program introduced CME (coco-methyl ester) there, research showed an incredible 65-80% reduction in particulate emissions within three months. Oh, and 10% of public transport in Baguio uses biodiesel, proof that even operators and drivers are willing to pay up -- for so much more in return. They have seen the wisdom in using biofuels, trust more to follow suit. In fact, Davao, Makati and Marikina have already joined the Clean Cities Program.

What's at stake goes beyond a few pesos' difference at the pumps. With cleaner engines, jeepney and bus operators will have less to worry about when it comes to vehicle maintenance, which helps reduce their overhead costs. More importantly, with improved fuel mileage, they will end up earning more at the end of the day. With cleaner air, jeepney and bus drivers will worry less about being hospitalized for lung problems, and thus they won't need to work double, triple-shifts just to have enough cash for that eventuality. All you really need is to explain everything to them in their terms, from their own perspective.

Restrictive tunnel-vision is all that we have to do away with, if we are to get anywhere at all.

[Bogeyman]

A cheaper and renewable alternative, with no ill environmental effects, since that's the point of weaning away from petroleum-based products.

[uls]

the US went into Iraq for its oil. Everyone knows its their agenda. They just used 9/11 as an excuse.

thats why no other major power supported the war except Britain. The French didnt support the war. the Germans didnt... the Russians didnt... the Chinese didnt.

[RafRaf]

There are means. When there is a will, there is a way. Develop the need.

Kaya nga ngayon 1% blend ang ipinapatupad. As we progress, I think, the technology will become better and will translate to product and price improvement. Step by step we free up ourselve from dependence on imported diesel oil.

Bakit ang cellphone, kay mahal yan pero ngayon ang dami na meron. Kasi meron naka-isip ng paraan para magkaroon ng need. Texting. Tingi-tingi load. Biodiesel... 1% blend muna. Maramdaman muna ang benefits sa sasakyan, kasi kahit 1% ramdam na. Ayan na and ibang jeep, ibang bus, ibang tsikoteers... sana tumuloy-tuloy na. I have a feeling this will backfire at me... heck, I'll take the risk (kasi I believe in the product and I've seen how people around me have changed their mind as well... marami na kami gumagamit sana nga sumunod na yung iba).

OK... last na po talaga yan for me.

[BlueBimmer]

hmmm if the time comes na the world is really desperate enough to require coco based fuel, then i think the price of regular fuel at that time will be extremely high (triple? quadruple?), as to make the coco fuel acceptable to the masses.

[oldblue]

how about cold fusion? myth ba yun o totoo

[empy]

let me reiterate my earlier post and question regarding BIODIESEL:

i googled some facts - world oil consumption is ABOUT 80 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY. the philippines consumes 335,000 BARRELS PER DAY. how many coconut trees, soy fields or vegetable oil crops would you need to power everything using biofuels? how expensive is it to refine this stuff?