World Oil Production Passed its Peak?

[RafRaf]

the article attached mentioned that biodiesels and all other so called "alternative" fuels are not really alternative but "derivatives" of fossil fuel since they still need the latter to run machineries that produce the previous.

I think the diesel machines should run on biodiesel and result in biodiesel sustaining itself.

The coconut is one of the sources of biodiesel. Sabi pa nga, the coco-biodiesel is the best biodiesel since it is saturated fatty acids and thus highly comparable/compatible to fossil diesel.

Coconut Tree... the tree of life. Daming benefits.

[BlueBimmer]

oh crap, i should scrounge up enough cash for a vacation around the world now before the oil peak and plane tickets will triple and quadruple :D

[uls]

Yes, there is no doubt biofuel can run our vehicles.

QUESTION: can u produce enough plant/coconut-derived biofuel to supply the needs of the vehicles running in our country and at a lower price than regular fuel?

can u supply all the gas stations? even half of all the gas stations in our country? o kahit metro manila lang?

If everyone can fill up their fuel tank with alternative fuel at a lower cost than regular fuel, the oil companies will be out of business.

The reason why biofuel isnt taking off is coz the producers can't produce quantity big enough to supply the gas stations consistently (as in everyday, 365 days a year) and at lower cost than regular fuel.

[uls]

whatever process goes into turning coconuts into biofuel, the process is probably too slow, the cost is probably too high, the quantity too little TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.

[BlueBimmer]

lets clone coconuts! :D

sorry useless ideas hehe

[Bogeyman]

It won't be long before the whole world finally bows down to kiss our nuts!

One thing that needs to be addressed in biodiesel is its solvent quality at 100% blend. It has to be safe enough for the engine so we can finally do away with blending it to regular diesel.

[RafRaf]

whatever process goes into turning coconuts into biofuel, the process is probably too slow, the cost is probably too high, the quantity too little TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.

Sir Chemrez is now 90% done in building the plant to increase output. We just need to rally support of the product it so that it will grow. It is very very possible to be commercially viable for our country. So buy coco-biodiesel. Let the big three know how much it is needed. Susunod yung mga iyon sa demand. Really, I think. If there is demand, there will be supply, lalo na renewable ito. Dapat lang meron drive... meron demand.

"If you build it, they will come."

[paulp]

What if George W. Bush decided to spend the $300 BILLION budget for Iraq and Afghanistan to instead build hydrogen-fuel-cell refilling stations across California, for example. Do you think it will work?
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Another way of thinking (conspiracy thinking that is) of the war in Iraq is, the US asserting its "control" in the middle east situation especially in areas which are major oil producers.

[RafRaf]

I'm starting to sound like an activist here. Not my style, not my intent. Simply to support alternative fuel lang po. I think I've said to much for my good na. Thanks for hearing me out.

OK, I'm out of here.

[uls]

and the price should be lower than regular fuel.

For comparison lang: magkano ang virgin coconut oil? diba mga 150-200 per 500 ml? alam ko iba ang coco-biofuel sa virgin coconut oil... but if the virgin coconut oil costs that much, will the price per liter of pure coco-biofuel be far from that price of VCO? kahit kalahati mahal parin.

Eto ang tanong: magagawa ba nila P25.00-P30 per liter ang pump price ng coconut-biofuel?

[Bogeyman]

and the price should be lower than regular fuel.

That will depend on market demand. An increase in demand will encourage more investments into full-scale CME production. So far, yes it's promising, especially from an environmental and automotive standpoint.

The price is of little concern, at least for me. Whatever I pay in excess per liter compared to regular diesel, I definitely get back in the form of increased mileage. Well worth it, IMO.

[uls]

alternative fuel is a product that has to be accepted by the general public before there will be demand.

its what the producers and sellers can offer us.

even if they have supply, if its too expensive, nobody's gonna buy.

if it performs poorly in our cars, people will stop buying it.

What we need is a cheaper alternative to regular fuel that performs just as good.

[Bogeyman]

A cheaper and renewable alternative, with no ill environmental effects, since that's the point of weaning away from petroleum-based products.

[uls]

No jeepney or bus operator or regular motorist will buy an alternative fuel thats 1 or 2 pesos higher than regular fuel.

even 50 centavos more will discourage anyone.

thats assuming the alternative fuel producers can even price their products that low...

Considering that most people gas up on 93 octane rather than higher octane, it shows price is definitely a big issue.

[uls]

the US went into Iraq for its oil. Everyone knows its their agenda. They just used 9/11 as an excuse.

thats why no other major power supported the war except Britain. The French didnt support the war. the Germans didnt... the Russians didnt... the Chinese didnt.

[RafRaf]

There are means. When there is a will, there is a way. Develop the need.

Kaya nga ngayon 1% blend ang ipinapatupad. As we progress, I think, the technology will become better and will translate to product and price improvement. Step by step we free up ourselve from dependence on imported diesel oil.

Bakit ang cellphone, kay mahal yan pero ngayon ang dami na meron. Kasi meron naka-isip ng paraan para magkaroon ng need. Texting. Tingi-tingi load. Biodiesel... 1% blend muna. Maramdaman muna ang benefits sa sasakyan, kasi kahit 1% ramdam na. Ayan na and ibang jeep, ibang bus, ibang tsikoteers... sana tumuloy-tuloy na. I have a feeling this will backfire at me... heck, I'll take the risk (kasi I believe in the product and I've seen how people around me have changed their mind as well... marami na kami gumagamit sana nga sumunod na yung iba).

OK... last na po talaga yan for me.

[BlueBimmer]

hmmm if the time comes na the world is really desperate enough to require coco based fuel, then i think the price of regular fuel at that time will be extremely high (triple? quadruple?), as to make the coco fuel acceptable to the masses.

[Bogeyman]

No jeepney or bus operator or regular motorist will buy an alternative fuel thats 1 or 2 pesos higher than regular fuel.

even 50 centavos more will discourage anyone.

There's quite a number of people here who are not regular motorists, by your definition. And no, 50 centavos more certainly does not deter me in the least, if it's my ticket to a better engine and better air.

Mindset is also a big part; this is not just an overnight stop-gap, but a long-term solution. In case you didn't know, Baguio City had the highest pollution index (75.2) in the country prior to biodiesel. When the Clean Cities Program introduced CME (coco-methyl ester) there, research showed an incredible 65-80% reduction in particulate emissions within three months. Oh, and 10% of public transport in Baguio uses biodiesel, proof that even operators and drivers are willing to pay up -- for so much more in return. They have seen the wisdom in using biofuels, trust more to follow suit. In fact, Davao, Makati and Marikina have already joined the Clean Cities Program.

What's at stake goes beyond a few pesos' difference at the pumps. With cleaner engines, jeepney and bus operators will have less to worry about when it comes to vehicle maintenance, which helps reduce their overhead costs. More importantly, with improved fuel mileage, they will end up earning more at the end of the day. With cleaner air, jeepney and bus drivers will worry less about being hospitalized for lung problems, and thus they won't need to work double, triple-shifts just to have enough cash for that eventuality. All you really need is to explain everything to them in their terms, from their own perspective.

Restrictive tunnel-vision is all that we have to do away with, if we are to get anywhere at all.

[oldblue]

how about cold fusion? myth ba yun o totoo

[empy]

let me reiterate my earlier post and question regarding BIODIESEL:

i googled some facts - world oil consumption is ABOUT 80 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY. the philippines consumes 335,000 BARRELS PER DAY. how many coconut trees, soy fields or vegetable oil crops would you need to power everything using biofuels? how expensive is it to refine this stuff?