World Oil Production Passed its Peak?

[paulp]

What if George W. Bush decided to spend the $300 BILLION budget for Iraq and Afghanistan to instead build hydrogen-fuel-cell refilling stations across California, for example. Do you think it will work?
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Another way of thinking (conspiracy thinking that is) of the war in Iraq is, the US asserting its "control" in the middle east situation especially in areas which are major oil producers.

[badkuk]

alternative fuel technology has been there for years; for one reason or another, nobody really pushed for it.

but, as posters have previously mentioned: necessity is the mother of invention. malay mo, baka magkaroon tayo ng utut powered car :D

[uls]

its easier to change individual lifestyle...

u can drive a hybrid car, or u can ride a bicycle or walk...

but whats hard to change is the way the world does business.

the world's economic activity is totally dependent on fossil fuel powered transport. and there are no alternatives.

there is no alternative to diesel powered ships that carry 40 ft. container vans across the ocean... there is no alternative to jet fuel powered cargo aircraft... there is no alternative to diesel powered delivery vans and trucks.

World economic activity will grind to a halt without oil.

[RafRaf]

its easier to change individual lifestyle...

u can drive a hybrid car, or u can ride a bicycle or walk...

but whats hard to change is the way the world does business.

the world's economic activity is totally dependent on fossil fuel powered transport. and there are no alternatives.

there is no alternative to diesel powered ships that carry 40 ft. container vans across the ocean... there is no alternative to jet fuel powered cargo aircraft... there is no alternative to diesel powered delivery vans and trucks.

World economic activity will grind to a halt without oil.

diesel powered ships - BIODIESEL
jet fuel (ester) - COCO METHYL ESTER... BIODIESEL
diesel powered delivery vans and trucks - BIODIESEL

[empy]

i think that whatever scenario comes true, it's a good idea to start changing now. it took the internal combustion engine about 50-70 years to become mainstream, so we'll take a long time to ramp up.

hopefully whatever emerges as the dominant technology allows countries to be self-sufficient, or at least eliminates the world's dependence on such unstable and easily-compromised areas of the world like the middle east and eastern europe.

diesel powered ships - BIODIESEL
jet fuel (ester) - COCO METHYL ESTER... BIODIESEL
diesel powered delivery vans and trucks - BIODIESEL

question - what is biodiesel made out of? isn't it vegetable and plant oil? if so, wouldn't we need to plant the entire surface of the earth with biodiesel generating crops to fill world fuel demands?

[mazdamazda]

diesel powered ships - BIODIESEL
jet fuel (ester) - COCO METHYL ESTER... BIODIESEL
diesel powered delivery vans and trucks - BIODIESEL

actually, biofuels are an inefficient form of energy compared to oil.

it takes 1 energy unit to produce 2 energy units of biofuel. while it takes 1 energy unit to produce 30 energy units of oil.

though at least, biofuels is a more viable alternative that others... though this might force countries to go back to their agricultural roots again.

[EL Chicane]

I think this is the last 100 years for fossil fuel technology. I'm sure we will be hydrogen-based by the turn of the century.

[mazdamazda]

I think this is the last 100 years for fossil fuel technology. I'm sure we will be hydrogen-based by the turn of the century.

hydrogen is still not feasible since the energy needed to breakdown water into hydrogen (electrolysis) is still higher than the energy that we'll get from using hydrogen as fuel.

BUT, if a new techological breakthrough is discovered wherein we can split water to hydrogen in a fraction of the energy electrolysis takes up, then we'll be back in business.

[niky]

Air travel will go kaput, for sure... modern jet liners cost too much to run already, making the airline business very unstable.

Shipping? Ever hear of sails? There are large scale wind generators for ships, but retrofitting would take a long time. Shipping could go on, but in a more limited capacity, with smaller vessels.

[uls]

ya ive heard of sails. someone should have told them to use sails:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containerization

[BeetOls]

...if you will use the question "are we really running out of oil" and google it up...you'll see all the different views,get different answers...i guess it's just a matter of which side you want to believe...

some of 'em say we can never tell...people have claimed the same as early as 1855 and on some other eras but still, here we are, still savoring much of that black gold. Others would also say that there really is a lot of oil reserves all around the globe and can easily be detected through satellite basing from the amount of heat being released (?) and that that there is sufficient oil to last us for the next 500 years. and yeah, there's that oil shales/sands in the u.s. and the future of it is simply gleaming.

i've also read the article attached on this thread and hell it would really make anyone thinks that this is the end...i say it is a little exaggerated...but hey, it got me thinking too!

so which side do i wanna believe in...the positive side of course...if ever oil is really running out, i think there is still enough time to develop more efficient ways of extracting, discovering other sources and alternatives.

[badkuk]

whether it's running out or not, why not start making alternative fuels a viable option? it's really not fun to hand your b*lls over to opec countries because of oil. and we there would be no need to start wars over it too. Ngayon pa lang nga na me artificial shortage, nagkakagulo na; what more if we really run out of oil?

sabi nga sa shell commercial: Better to anticipate change, than be forced to accept it

[Karding]

sabi nga sa shell commercial: Better to anticipate change, than be forced to accept it

nice one.

The real reason no new refineries have been built for almost 30 years is simple: any oil company that wants to stay profitable isn't going to invest in new refineries when they know there is going to be less and less oil to refine.

ahh, for so long I was wondering why.

uls, thanks for the http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ link

US DOE will finally decide on 2015 if Fuel Cell is viable. As a matter of fact, it's not that California/US is just sitting on their behind and laughing about the oil issue or just enjoying the war to spend $300billion. Although some people or tsikoteers believe that US/Americans are war freak or the real terrorists.

Automobile manufacturers need to produce and certify the fuel cell car in which some of them are in the process of producing fuel cell cars. Afterall, whats the use of refueling stations if manufacturers does not offer the fuel cell car in the first place.

The Los Angeles International Airport will be the site of the first compressed-hydrogen fueling station open for public use. The $1.5 million facility built by Praxair will be a prototype of a commercial automobile fueling station and is slated to open this year. California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is putting together a plan to build a "Hydrogen Highway," an effort that is supported by the California South Coast Air Quality Management District and the California Fuel Cell Partnership, a private-public venture dedicated to demonstrating fuel cell technology in the state. Founded in 1999, the partnership has both passenger cars and transit buses in its fuel cell demonstration fleet, including vehicles from DaimlerChrysler, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota and Volkswagen.

A very good read.
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specia...9/article.html

[BeetOls]

the article attached mentioned that biodiesels and all other so called "alternative" fuels are not really alternative but "derivatives" of fossil fuel since they still need the latter to run machineries that produce the previous.

[RafRaf]

the article attached mentioned that biodiesels and all other so called "alternative" fuels are not really alternative but "derivatives" of fossil fuel since they still need the latter to run machineries that produce the previous.

I think the diesel machines should run on biodiesel and result in biodiesel sustaining itself.

The coconut is one of the sources of biodiesel. Sabi pa nga, the coco-biodiesel is the best biodiesel since it is saturated fatty acids and thus highly comparable/compatible to fossil diesel.

Coconut Tree... the tree of life. Daming benefits.

[uls]

Yes, there is no doubt biofuel can run our vehicles.

QUESTION: can u produce enough plant/coconut-derived biofuel to supply the needs of the vehicles running in our country and at a lower price than regular fuel?

can u supply all the gas stations? even half of all the gas stations in our country? o kahit metro manila lang?

If everyone can fill up their fuel tank with alternative fuel at a lower cost than regular fuel, the oil companies will be out of business.

The reason why biofuel isnt taking off is coz the producers can't produce quantity big enough to supply the gas stations consistently (as in everyday, 365 days a year) and at lower cost than regular fuel.

[uls]

whatever process goes into turning coconuts into biofuel, the process is probably too slow, the cost is probably too high, the quantity too little TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.

[RafRaf]

whatever process goes into turning coconuts into biofuel, the process is probably too slow, the cost is probably too high, the quantity too little TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.

Sir Chemrez is now 90% done in building the plant to increase output. We just need to rally support of the product it so that it will grow. It is very very possible to be commercially viable for our country. So buy coco-biodiesel. Let the big three know how much it is needed. Susunod yung mga iyon sa demand. Really, I think. If there is demand, there will be supply, lalo na renewable ito. Dapat lang meron drive... meron demand.

"If you build it, they will come."

[BlueBimmer]

perhaps a nuclear powered engine will be invented in the future :D

[uls]

plant-derived fuel cannot be produced on the same volume as fossil fuel.

commercial quantity is in the millions of barrels a day for world consumption.

plant-derived fuel production doesnt even come close.