What Do You Feel When Pinoys Get Bashed?

[tidus1203]

haha

don't you guys miss the patented OB world view?

Oh yeah. Now I am 100% sure he is OB... Nice to be back!

[ghosthunter]

Being of mixed blood, I get pissed either way.

Niky can't win in this. If he insults foreigners or pinoys, he gets hit either way.

[niky]

as long as the bashing is true, i don't take it against the person. eh sa totoo eh... the truth really hurts pero it will set us free.... pero kundi totoo eh ibang usapan na...

I recall when Claire Danes was blacklisted for saying Manila smelled like cockroaches... considering where she filmed her movie... as it isn't far from where we used to live... I'd say her remarks were entirely accurate.

Or maybe she was smelling the rivers?

Yet, instead of taking that as a challenge to improve cleanliness... our politicos took it as an affront to their dignity.

I also loved the Desperate Housewives fiasco... the remark about fake diplomas. Working in a school and dealing with issues like this made me laugh. Recruiters and hospitals used to call us... long distance... all the time to confirm diplomas. A surprising number were, indeed, fake.

So... what do the politicians do? Clean out Recto? Put a stop to diploma mills? Nah... just protest the show for the slur.

[donbuggy]

na-culture shock lang si Tiffany

she has to adapt

she has to learn how pinoys think

But what if our culture is the reason we're not successful? Should we change?

http://antipinoy.com/culture-and-destiny/

Culture & Destiny: Why Culture Determines Winners & Losers

Dr. Huntington also narrated in Culture Matters: How Values Shape Human Progress this very fascinating story:

“In the early 1990’s, I happened to come across economic data on Ghana and South Korea in the early 1960s, and I was astonished to see how similar their economies were then. These two countries had roughly comparable levels of per capita GNP; similar divisions of their economy among primary products, manufacturing, and services; and overwhelmingly primary product exports, with South Korea producing a few manufactured goods.

Also, they were receiving comparable levels of economic aid. Thirty years later, South Korea had become an industrial giant with the fourteenth largest economy in the world, multinational corporations, major export of automobiles, electronic equipment, and other sophisticated manufactures, and a per capita income approximating that of Greece. Moreover, it was on its way to the consolidation of democratic institutions. No such change had occurred in Ghana, whose per capita GNP was now about one-fifteenth that of South Korea’s.

How could this extraordinary difference in development be explained? Undoubtedly, many factors played a role, but it seemed to me that culture had to be a large part of the explanation. South Koreans valued thrift, investment, hard work, education, organization, organization, and discipline. Ghanians had different values. In short, cultures count.”

The Philippines and Ghana almost share the same culture — the same irrationality, excessive conviviality or the propensity to feast that suggest that their societies are structured towards pleasure and the suppression of individualism.

Camerounian economist Dr. Daniel Etounga-Manguelle wrote a book entitled Does Africa Need a Cultural Adjustment Program? and set forth the following cultural obstacle to progress in most African countries including Ghana: present-time orientation, lack of concern in making efficient of time, subordination of the individual to the community, excessive conviviality and avoidance of confrontation, little saving and much conspicuous consumption, very short radius of identification and trust, and the subordination and abuse of women. He also highlighted Africa’s excessive conviviality which was very strikingly similar to our culture. Everything, he said, is a pretext for celebration in Africa: birth, baptism, marriage, birthday, promotion, election, a return from a short or long trip, mourning, as well as traditional and religious feasts. Whether one’s salary is considerable or modest, whether one’s granaries are empty or full, the feast must be beautiful and must include the maximum possible number of guests.

Does this not sound very familiar?

In the early 1990's Lee Kuan Yew stated that our country, the Philippines, was going nowhere because of our lack of discipline and excessive conviviality. We Filipinos, he added, possessed an “exuberant democracy” as we always have the propensity to feast incessantly with a bacchanalian attitude. It was in this particular instance that he advised us that instead of Democracy, Filipinos needed Discipline in order to build a successful society. Again, many Filipinos were incensed and infuriated including former president Fidel Valdez Ramos.

[CVT]

Yup,- agree with you bro... Those things should have prompted our government officials to improve their lot and their social services. But they never lifted a finger, as what we've seen and heard....

Oh well, the Recto Mill is still churning out those precious oh so precious papers.....

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[CVT]

Siguradong titirik sa sobrang sarap ang mata ni Tiffany baby at matatawag niya ang lahat ng santo kapag natikman niya ito (may paingles-ingles pa siya na British accent pa).... :hysterical:

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[ghosthunter]

Why not just ask China to invade the Philippines and annex the entire group of islands as part of the country?

[uls]

donbuggy:

But what if our culture is the reason we're not successful? Should we change?

i have pointed those things out in another thread here in tsikot

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66458

one of my posts in that thread

those "professors" and "experts" have been pointing to land reform for years

it's not land

it's culture, it's work ethic, it's mentality

when your people are highly productive, very work oriented, time-sensitive, may malasakit sa company they work for, may malasakit sa bansa, your country becomes an economic powerhouse, producing a mind-boggling volume of goods

pinoys are too family-oriented, too leisure-oriented

pinoys view work as torture... kung pwede lang i-fast forward ang oras sa trabaho para makauwi na at makasama ang pamilya

ang oras naman sa trabaho hindi maximized

work that could be finished in one day takes days or weeks to finish

add to that the number of days na walang pasok sa loob ng isang taon

hindi time-sensitive ang pinoy... pinoys do not value time. pinoys do not value their own time and other people's time

no wonder the economic output of the Philippines is always less than that of other Asian countries

when you have people who are not work-oriented, not very productive, time-wasting, walang malasakit sa company, walang malasakit sa bansa...

when you have people who are laid back (enjoy, have fun, relax), never serious (kenkoy), geared for consumption, not geared for production, leisure-oriented...

you get a country with lots of malls and supermarkets, lots of restaurants, bars and nightclubs, lots of resorts and spas, lots of end-user consumption businesses, lots of importers, not a lot of factories, not a lot of B2B (business-to-business) businesses

and you also get a country where more than 10% of the population have to work abroad, so they can send money to their families here so their families can do what pinoys do best -- enjoy, have fun, relax, and consume

[Monseratto]

Why not just ask China to invade the Philippines and annex the entire group of islands as part of the country?

Papayag yung China, kung walang squatters na kasama...

[ghosthunter]

Papayag yung China, kung walang squatters na kasama...

China can easily solve that (by abolishing the Phil-CHR).

[safeorigin]

Siguradong titirik sa sobrang sarap ang mata ni Tiffany baby at matatawag niya ang lahat ng santo kapag natikman niya ito (may paingles-ingles pa siya na British accent pa).... :hysterical:

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[badsekktor]

and iba talaga mag isip ang karamihan ng pinoy

iba ang wavelength

yung phrase na -- not on the same page -- often applies to communications breakdown between educated and uneducated pinoys

you can't expect them to talk to you on your level

you gotta learn how they think and talk to them on their level

very often you see that communications breakdown in management and labor

This is so true! Same reason kung bakit lumalaki ang agwat ng mayayaman sa mahihirap.

The problem is the way the majority of the people think since majority ang masa, the sound decisions are being overwhelmed by lousy ones.... kaya we are in this situation.....

hahahaha

Mr. Suave, go show Tiffany a good time ok?

hahahaha! isang brotsa de lababo! kay tiffany siguradong magbabago paningin niya sa pinoy!

[Jun aka Pekto]

Beats me. No one's ever bashed me because of my Pinoy heritage.

[_Cathy_]

kung tutuusin may advantage pa din ang poor, by eating just about right, they live healthier lives and they look better too.

Naisip ko din yan before. I have my OB moments of logic too

I left my job before because I wanted to study and lose weight (become 100 lbs). I wanted to work out daily in the morning which I couldn't do with an 8 to 5 job. BUT instead of losing weight I ended up gaining more weight! My Mom was so disappointed because she told me my only job then was to study and lose weight. I spend money on gym memberships, diet pills and healthy food but I still can't reach my ideal weight. It's so frustrating.

I told my BF then that if I were a blue collar worker I'd like to be a carpintero because their job doubles as a work out. But then again poor people eat Lucky Me all the time which is VERY high in sodium so it would affect their health in the long run. Swerte lang talaga ng mga mayaman who are blessed with high metabolism.

I don't get hurt when Pinoys get bashed, most of the time it's true anyway. But for some reason I think it would affect me more if I were living in a foreign country.

[OldSchoolHack]

I just met with four chinese and two HK nationals in a conference and they DO recognize the incident as tragic but unintentional. And everyone agrees we (Filipinos) need to get our acts together. No bashing there.

You see those who bash people ..... are bigots and racist. Yun lang yun.

[Isuzoom]

syempre masakit....but totoo naman...ang kapalpakan ng ating government reflects to all the filipinos dito at sa abroad...nakakahiya...wag lang sila mag bash personal or may ipin na pupulutin...

[loki_chaos]

The Truth Hurts.
-Dick Gordon

[marg]

I just met with four chinese and two HK nationals in a conference and they DO recognize the incident as tragic but unintentional. And everyone agrees we (Filipinos) need to get our acts together. No bashing there.

They are just being Polite. You wouldn't want to hear what they say about the Pinoys when there are no Pinoys around.

[testament11]

Its ok, totoo naman eh. Pero kagaya nga ng sabi, yun mga bashing na ginagawa ng ibang nation sa atin, should be used as a way on how we improve things here in PI. Yun nga lang, balat sibuyas ang pinoy...

Kung racism ang usapan, then dito tayo dapat magalit. Look at Gayweather, yun ang hindi tama! Pero ang punahin ng ibang bansa ang paghandle natin sa hostage, ok lang...