Weather TALK [forecasts, etc]

[_Cathy_]

minsan nalalasaha ko parang chocolatey na matabang grassy.

try mo pink rice. Mas madali sa sikmura kaysa red rice.

OT: never pa ko nakakita ng pink rice. Organic ba yan? Basta alam ko the darker the better. Sanay naman ako sa black, 3 yrs na din ako black. Saka hindi naman ako makanin, 1/2 cup total a day lang ako, nagri rice lang ako para hindi nakakaumay puro ulam at gulay lang.

Yung Spanish group ko including SO super healthy eaters. Sa bahay si SO they sprout the rice pa, que horror, too much hassle, tapos kukulitin ako dapat mag sprout din kami rice

Ang hindi ko sa try yung adlai, quinoa di ko gusto

[kagalingan]

^
oo cathey, organic pink rice. Partially hulled na red rice yan.

kailangan jan sa makati dumikitdikit ka sa chinese group para mas madami ka choices sa food.

[kisshmet]

Hinde ko maintindihan sa mga local officials ng region 2, sa Bicol, Catanduanes, Camarines ok lang dahil sila ang unang impact ng bagyo expect2s talaga na malakas saka kahit na mahina kailangan mag handa. Understandable yun devastation sa kanila.

Pero itong sa region 2, sila na yun huling dinaaanan before lumabas yun bagyo and nakita na yun damage na nagawa sa mga dinaanan and yet hinde pa rin nakapaghanda. Sama mo na yun officiala ng mga dams diyan.

Kung dito tayo alam na natin na madaming ulan talaga dala ni uls eh sila pa kaya na all data at their disposal para malaman expected na dala ng typhoon.


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Dams are designed to carry water for electricity generation, irrigation and human consumption. Part of the design is the capacity limit which defines the crucial point when the structure of the dam is supposed to collapse. The higher the level the water gets the more pressure build on the dams structure. If the critical water level is reached the whole structure will collapse which will result in an unthinkable inundation because there will be no more wall to stop the whole water capacity of the dam from flowing to low lying areas

The flood that you see now will pale in comparison if the dam is breached. Thats why water has to be released to prevent that precious infrastructure from destruction even if people will be affected because more people will die from drowning if the dam will collapse

People are part to be blamed because they dont want to leave their belongings for fear that what ever little they have will be stolen from them. Too much population, coupled with poor environmental management (denudation of forests) contribute to the suffering many people are going through now

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[dr. d]

it heartless for me to say it,
but the only long-term solution i can see,
is for these low-lying lands to be declared off-limits to housing.
but if we can build a good, netherlands-type dike system...

as someone here said,
"if we don't change the conditions, why would we expect a different outcome?"

[_Cathy_]

it heartless for me to say it,
but the only long-term solution i can see,
is for these low-lying lands to be declared off-limits to housing.

as someone here said,
"if we don't change the conditions, why would we expect a different outcome?"

Provident village... Maybe the government can buy it higher than market price (dream on) I doubt naman that any of the residents would want to stay pa rin after Ondoy and Ulysses?

[dr. d]

Provident village... Maybe the government can buy it higher than market price (dream on) I doubt naman that any of the residents would want to stay pa rin after Ondoy and Ulysses?

the solution is easy. but the devil is in the details.

[ninjababez]

it heartless for me to say it,
but the only long-term solution i can see,
is for these low-lying lands to be declared off-limits to housing.
but if we can build a good, netherlands-type dike system...

as someone here said,
"if we don't change the conditions, why would we expect a different outcome?"

may kilala ako taga marikina, tuwing tag ulan nalang binabaha sila. renter lang ito for the longest time (dun na sila pinanganak). pero ayaw parin umalis. tigas lang talaga ng ulo

[Flipo]

Dams are designed to carry water for electricity generation, irrigation and human consumption. Part of the design is the capacity limit which defines the crucial point when the structure of the dam is supposed to collapse. The higher the level the water gets the more pressure build on the dams structure. If the critical water level is reached the whole structure will collapse which will result in an unthinkable inundation because there will be no more wall to stop the whole water capacity of the dam from flowing to low lying areas

The flood that you see now will pale in comparison if the dam is breached. Thats why water has to be released to prevent that precious infrastructure from destruction even if people will be affected because more people will die from drowning if the dam will collapse

People are part to be blamed because they dont want to leave their belongings for fear that what ever little they have will be stolen from them. Too much population, coupled with poor environmental management (denudation of forests) contribute to the suffering many people are going through now

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The town mayor of Alcala, Cristina Antonio, has sensible insights to share: “(T)he problem of flood in Alcala and Cagayan Valley cannot be attributed to just one cause outside of us, but to a complex, interrelated web with us right at the center. It’s not just about Magat Dam protocols, although in our state of despair Magat Dam is the most visible target. It’s about us, it’s the way we live—as if we are apart from nature, as if what we do does not come back to us. It’s us—how we have cut our trees and destroyed our forests, our soil and groundwater, how we have eaten up the land with farms and buildings.

‘1-year flood’ returns to Cagayan Valley | Inquirer Opinion.

[baludoy]

The town mayor of Alcala, Cristina Antonio, has sensible insights to share: “(T)he problem of flood in Alcala and Cagayan Valley cannot be attributed to just one cause outside of us, but to a complex, interrelated web with us right at the center. It’s not just about Magat Dam protocols, although in our state of despair Magat Dam is the most visible target. It’s about us, it’s the way we live—as if we are apart from nature, as if what we do does not come back to us. It’s us—how we have cut our trees and destroyed our forests, our soil and groundwater, how we have eaten up the land with farms and buildings.

‘1??-year flood’ returns to Cagayan Valley | Inquirer Opinion.

kilala naman nila kung sino ang numero unong logger dyan since time immemorial. i'm not sure though if they're still lording it over there politically but i'm guessing they're still very influential. heck, everybody knows naman kaya siguro tahimik lang iyong family na iyan ngayon kasi hindi lahat nasunod iyong mantra nung patriarch na "gusto ko happy ka" .

[Flipo]

kilala naman nila kung sino ang numero unong logger dyan since time immemorial. i'm not sure though if they're still lording it over there politically but i'm guessing they're still very influential. heck, everybody knows naman kaya siguro tahimik lang iyong family na iyan ngayon kasi hindi lahat nasunod iyong mantra nung patriarch na "gusto ko happy ka" .

Yes, climate change may be a factor, but the President must first rule out environmental exploitation, inefficiency and corruption. I am pretty sure as the President was talking the other ASEAN leaders were looking at our problem beyond climate change. The people can see and know what is truly happening to our devastated country. I hope the researchers and scriptwriters of the President do a better job than make him look funny in the international scene.

Anyway, knowing that the Philippines is a calamity prone area, why did the President not fight to maintain the budget of the National Calamity Fund? Why did he allow the budget to be cut down? With a small amount placed in the Calamity Fund, how can we save lives from natural disasters?

The Calamity Fund refers to the allocation for the National Disaster and Risk Reduction Management Council from the annual General Appropriations Act or the national budget. During the deliberations of the 2020 national budget last year, Congress reduced NDRRMC’s budget allocation to only P16 billion, a P4-billion cut from Duterte’s initial proposal of P20 billion. In its January 2020 report, think tank IBON Foundation reported that the administration also slashed the calamity funds in 2017. “The NDRRMC budget was cut by more than half (P23 billion) to just P15.8 billion in 2017 from P38.9 billion in 2016 under the Aquino administration,” the report read.

Even natural landforms which mitigate typhoons are also being undermined by the Duterte administration. For instance, the Sierra Madre mountain ranges in eastern Luzon that span 540 kilometers and act as a barrier against typhoons coming from the Pacific. In 2008, the mountain ranges weakened a powerful typhoon (Typhoon Ompong) as it crashed onto the land formation and prevented two devastating typhoons in 2016 – Typhoon Sarika and Typhoon Haima.

Despite this, the Duterte government is planning to carve out large sections of the natural land formation to build the Kaliwa Dam. The multimillion-dollar dam project has been in the works since the era of president Ferdinand Marcos and after the Duterte administration secured a $238-million loan from China, the project has inched closer to fruition.

The government has endorsed the project to improve water supply to Metro Manila. But it has also ignored the warnings from the scientific community that undertaking such a large-scale infrastructure project will almost certainly ruin the Sierra Madre mountain ranges.

So, what are we doing to our country? Shouldn’t government strengthen measures to reduce risks, manage calamities and enhance recovery efforts instead of continuing to ruin it to pieces? Let us get our act together, shall we?


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[Wh1stl3r]

We used to live in an often flooded area of Sta Mesa. Floods there would regularly reach just below the knee when the river nearby overflowed.

After a few years of living somewhere you tend to get attached to the place. But since we were just renting it was easier for us to move out. Never looked back.

I can imagine how much harder it would be for people with long term loans on their flooded properties. Highlights the importance of choosing your property purchase wisely.

Edit: Argh. Mods this should be in the flood prone areas thread.

[Wh1stl3r]

Dams are designed to carry water for electricity generation, irrigation and human consumption. Part of the design is the capacity limit which defines the crucial point when the structure of the dam is supposed to collapse. The higher the level the water gets the more pressure build on the dams structure. If the critical water level is reached the whole structure will collapse which will result in an unthinkable inundation because there will be no more wall to stop the whole water capacity of the dam from flowing to low lying areas

The flood that you see now will pale in comparison if the dam is breached. Thats why water has to be released to prevent that precious infrastructure from destruction even if people will be affected because more people will die from drowning if the dam will collapse

People are part to be blamed because they dont want to leave their belongings for fear that what ever little they have will be stolen from them. Too much population, coupled with poor environmental management (denudation of forests) contribute to the suffering many people are going through now

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I agree that residents are partly to blame for not evacuating when told to. As are other man made problems like deforestation. Not sure if some of the people affected really expect dam management to not release water during the typhoon. It's the (non) release of water before the typhoon that is questionable.

Damning report: Dams rushed to open gates only at height of Ulysses | Infrawatch PH

We reviewed PAGASA’s daily dam reports over the period of two and a half weeks, from 27 Oct to 14 Nov, during which Quinta, Rolly, Siony, Tonyo and Ulysses entered Luzon island.

Some observations:

a. Ipo opened its gates (4) only on 12 Nov, during and after Ulysses pummeled Luzon island.

b. Angat opened its gates (2) only on 12 Nov.

c. From 1 Nov, Magat typically opened zero, one or two gates (width between 0.5 meters to 4 meters), with only two gates open on the morning of 12 Nov, the day Ulysses made landfall.

d. On 13 Nov, Magat opened seven gates, with a width of 24 meters.

e. Magat did not make sufficient water drawdown 2-3 days prior to Ulysses, as mandated by its protocol, because its gates were not even open 3-4 days prior landfall.

f. Caliraya Dam issued a Notice of Dam Discharge to local governments on 12 November, 2am.

They had ample time to prepare given Pagasa's early forecast.

[shadow]

I agree that residents are partly to blame for not evacuating when told to. As are other man made problems like deforestation. Not sure if some of the people affected really expect dam management to not release water during the typhoon. It's the timing of water release that is questionable.

Damning report: Dams rushed to open gates only at height of Ulysses | Infrawatch PH



They had ample time to prepare given Pagasa's early forecast.

Yup. Huwag mag release at the height of typhoon kaya nga dapat mag released before dumating, sinabayan pa yun lakas ng ulan sa pag release kaya ayan nangyari


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[kisshmet]

^its easy to say that but coming from a dry spell..water levels are low prior to this fortuituous event..hence collection of water is imperative

With a spate of typhoons that situation changed quickly, water level increased but there are considerations in releasing water flood. Do you flood these communities including the near by farm lands prior to the approach of the typhoon or do you let nature take its course and release it when critical level is actually happening and not simply anticipated? I'm sure the rhetoric will be different..bakit nagrelease agad eh wala pa naman ang bagyo..paano na ang hinihiling ni kagalingan na saganang tubig? Paano nyo nasiguro na aapaw nga?

They didnt release in anticipation of the typhoon alright and they did so when it's actually happening. Having done so they preserved the dams and flooded communities instead. Had they not done so the dam will collapse and the aftermath of that there will be diminished electricity (rotating power outages), flooded farmlands and human settlement, weak water pressure on our faucets.

We will be suffering that scenario for a long time until the dam is rebuilt. It takes years to build those dams but it takes a few hours for the destructive power of nature to destroy it

People are attached to the place that grew up..we need more lands to till..those are facts of life that the govt should recognize that's why the solution isnt into buying these flood prone lands/settlements

The solution lies in technology. The govt should lay out smart sensors (ultrasonic sensors that constantly monitor water levels at different strategic heights from the Sierra madre mountain range) that can detect danger and sound the alarm (sirens). People may ignore verbal warnings from authorities on the imminent danger but the sound of a siren is the final warning that will save their lives

There is the project NOAH that identified the hazards. It should be complemented with smart sensors that relay information to a central system monitored by the national govt (NDRRMC) 24×7. The phil govt should also beef up its air lift and sea lift assets to help deal with the calamity with which transport of food aid to those affected

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[dr. d]

..paano na ang hinihiling ni kagalingan na saganang tubig? Paano nyo nasiguro na aapaw nga?

i knew it!
kagalingan at fault again!
siya yung humihingi pa nang typhoons, para ma-puno ang mga dams...

levity...
heh heh.

[baludoy]

^ di ba may pustahan dito kung mapupuno o hindi ang mga dams sa taong ito (or something along those lines)?

sino nanalo? nagkabayaran na ba?

[dr. d]

^ di ba may pustahan dito kung mapupuno o hindi ang mga dams sa taong ito (or something along those lines)?

sino nanalo? nagkabayaran na ba?

i think, taloko.
i vaguely remember, na "hindi mapupuno"...
i also said, "i would be very happy if i were to be proven wrong".
but i did not envision that i would be proven wrong this way.

[shadow]

Walang issue pag released ng tubig but yun timing ang pinag uusapan. I read it somewhere that expert they hired told them mag release na and officials ignores the experts,

Alam naman ng lahat na dapat mag released so dam wouldn't break sa pressure ng tubig.

Not an excuse na hinde nila alam na maraming tubig dala ng typhoon. I don't buy it.


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[dr. d]

^

The solution lies in technology. The govt should lay out smart sensors (ultrasonic sensors that constantly monitor water levels at different strategic heights from the Sierra madre mountain range) that can detect danger and sound the alarm (sirens). People may ignore verbal warnings from authorities on the imminent danger but the sound of a siren is the final warning that will save their lives

i remember,
some years ago,
the phivolcs people were complaining, because someones had stolen their sensor equipment in the field.

[Deestone]

Can they accurately or at least estimate rainfall from an incoming typhoon? what if they release let say 2 - 3 days before the actual storm and then it just rained a little on that day or storm diverted its direction.

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