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[mazdamazda]

now the question is of course, which is the higher value that should be protected in this current issue: the integrity of the presidency, or adhering rigidly to the written law.

IMO - the stakes are higher than just that.

Try choosing between:

1. Focusing on improving our economy.
2. Drag our country into another no-holds barred political shootout.

[mbt]

nope i disagree.

focusing on improving the economy is the function (in part) of the president, not necessarily of gloria. the issue is cheating, whether she did or she did not. how can she excuse herself of her alleged crime by saying that she will work on the economy? if she goes, her successor will carry on "fixing the economy".

there are economic consequences to this political drama, true, but GMA knows very well why -- "if I run for president, I will cause deep division in our country". yet she did, and now she reaps what she has sown.

[mazdamazda]

nope i disagree.

focusing on improving the economy is the function (in part) of the president, not necessarily of gloria. the issue is cheating, whether she did or she did not. how can she excuse herself of her alleged crime by saying that she will work on the economy? if she goes, her successor will carry on "fixing the economy".

there are economic consequences to this political drama, true, but GMA knows very well why -- "if I run for president, I will cause deep division in our country". yet she did, and now she reaps what she has sown.

Ummm... when I said "focusing on improving our economy" - am referring to whole nation (not just GMA).

And if the impeachment proceeding did push through - what evidence will you use in the said court? I've been asking this question around the forums for a long time and yet no one has answered it yet. If so, the dismissal of the impeachment complaint due to lack of substance is justifiable after all.

[BoyFerrari]

So in the end, the majority has spoken:

CONGRESS: No Impeachment by 158-51 decision.

TAONG BAYAN: Rallies have been relatively few. No People Power this time.

Democracy means following the majority decision.

[baiskee]

guys... check nyo ulit 'tong THREAD

most of the pro-gma sabi impeach, "bring the evidence to congress" achoo-choo-choo, blah-blah-blah....

ngayon sinunod at nag file ng impeachement... sabay pipigilan.

hindi t*nga ang pilipino.

[baiskee]

Ummm... when I said "focusing on improving our economy" - am referring to whole nation (not just GMA).

And if the impeachment proceeding did push through - what evidence will you use in the said court? I've been asking this question around the forums for a long time and yet no one has answered it yet. If so, the dismissal of the impeachment complaint due to lack of substance is justifiable after all.

hehe... maybe ask the pro-impeachment congressmen. for sure they have an answer to your question. ;)

[mazdamazda]

guys... check nyo ulit 'tong THREAD

most of the pro-gma sabi impeach, "bring the evidence to congress" achoo-choo-choo, blah-blah-blah....

ngayon sinunod at nag file ng impeachement... sabay pipigilan.

hindi t*nga ang pilipino.

that is because there is no solid evidence provided so far! the justice committee is tasked to screen out complaints that are baseless (like this wiretapping issue).

and as I've said - even if we pushed through with the impeachment proceedings - what evidence will you use?

[BoyFerrari]

guys... check nyo ulit 'tong THREAD

most of the pro-gma sabi impeach, "bring the evidence to congress" achoo-choo-choo, blah-blah-blah.....

Ang ibig sabihin: "Bring the evidence to congress"..... not to the media and the streets.

ngayon sinunod at nag file ng impeachement... sabay pipigilan.

hindi t*nga ang pilipino.

Hindi pinigilan, mahina lang ang ebidensya. Kaya nga lacking in substance. Siguro naman nakinig ka dun sa mga speech nung mga congressmen explaining their votes. Intindihin mo muna yung reason na sinabi nila, bago mo i-conclude na pinigilan.

[baiskee]

that is because there is no solid evidence provided so far! the justice committee is tasked to screen out complaints that are baseless (like this wiretapping issue).

i watched ANC last night... the justice committee did some QUESTIONABLE process in the committee report. (can't explain one-by-one, i listened to their speeches/ debates... and still, walang nagbago sa paniniwala ko. i believe that gma is guilty)

and as I've said - even if we pushed through with the impeachment proceedings - what evidence will you use?

evidence? secret. :D

mas maganda nga yan eh... payagan nilang ituloy, tapos kapag nakitang puro kasinungalingan pala yang mga ipinaglalaban ng oposisyon eh di lalabas sila na kahiya-hiya. which an advantage of the administration. baka pati ako maging pro-gma na rin. hehe (asa pa )

[mazdamazda]

btw, try reading the full impeachment article against GMA:

http://pcij.org/blog/wp-docs/Impeach...intAmended.pdf

puro personal attacks... walang substance...

[baiskee]

Ang ibig sabihin: "Bring the evidence to congress"..... not to the media and the streets.

kung walang media... pano malalaman ng sambayanan? and to the streets... we are a democratic country, nasa batas po yan.

Hindi pinigilan, mahina lang ang ebidensya. Kaya nga lacking in substance. Siguro naman nakinig ka dun sa mga speech nung mga congressmen explaining their votes. Intindihin mo muna yung reason na sinabi nila, bago mo i-conclude na pinigilan.

ser BF, nakinig nga po ako at inintindi ko pong mabuti... kaya ko nasabing pinigilan, dahil totoong PINIGILAN.

[EL Chicane]

mas maganda nga yan eh... payagan nilang ituloy, tapos kapag nakitang puro kasinungalingan pala yang mga ipinaglalaban ng oposisyon eh di lalabas sila na kahiya-hiya. which an advantage of the administration. baka pati ako maging pro-gma na rin. hehe (asa pa )

Sayang lang ang pera (milyon ang gagastusin dito) at oras (taon ang aabutin ng impeachment) ng Kongreso kung papayagan mong matuloy ang isang bagay na alam naman nilang hindi magpa-prosper dahil mahina nga ang evidence.

Although may point din yung reason na malaman na ang totoo "once and for all", mas malaki kasi ang benefits na ibibigay sa bansa kung ibasura yung impeachment kaysa sa matuloy.

Sa akin kasi, prinsipyo lang ang pinaglalaban dito, not necessarily how the country will get out of this economic crisis.

[baiskee]

Sayang lang ang pera (milyon ang gagastusin dito) at oras (taon ang aabutin ng impeachment) ng Kongreso kung papayagan mong matuloy ang isang bagay na alam naman nilang hindi magpa-prosper dahil mahina nga ang evidence.

ser, marami nang naaksayang pera ang gobyerno... sagarin na nila dito. buti rito alam natin kung san mapupunta.

Although may point din yung reason na malaman na ang totoo "once and for all",

mismo! kung mapatunayan na walang kasalanan si GMA, maraming pilipino ang muling magtitiwala sa kanya. sabi ko nga, baka isa na ako dun.

mas malaki kasi ang benefits na ibibigay sa bansa kung ibasura yung impeachment kaysa sa matuloy.

Sa akin kasi, prinsipyo lang ang pinaglalaban dito, not necessarily how the country will get out of this economic crisis.

benefits? di po yata nararamdaman ng sambayanang pilipino tong benefits na to.

[BoyFerrari]

kung walang media... pano malalaman ng sambayanan? and to the streets... we are a democratic country, nasa batas po yan.

Ang point ko, you cannot argue your case in the media and the streets alone, that is why they are advised to take their evidences to Congress so that the Justice Committee can examine the evidences in the proper forum.

Sa media kasi at sa streets, kanya-kanyang abogado, walang husgado. Trial by publicity.

ser BF, nakinig nga po ako at inintindi ko pong mabuti... kaya ko nasabing pinigilan, dahil totoong PINIGILAN.

Well, you can interpret it that way for every congressman who voted YES to junk the impeachment. I cannot judge your opinion. Your opinion will always be right for you.

[EL Chicane]

benefits? di po yata nararamdaman ng sambayanang pilipino tong benefits na to.

Hindi pa kasi nangyayari, pards. Future timeframe yung tinutukoy kong benefits. Meaning, magiging mas worse ang sitwasyon natin sa Pinas kapag na-impeach si GMA. So ini-iwasan nila itong mangyari kaya ibinasura na nila itong impeachment.

[mazdamazda]

benefits? di po yata nararamdaman ng sambayanang pilipino tong benefits na to.

Winnie Monsod (a long-time GMA critic) said that the country's poverty rate was the lowest during GMA's time.

By the way, during last month (Aug) - the National Government posted a 3B budget surplus. ;)

[boybi]

the only way na magkaisa ang Pilipino around GMA is for the impeachment to push through. if GMA can prove that she is not guilty of all the charges against her in the impeachment court, then everybody can move on.

now na pinatay na ang impeachment, all those who believed GMA cheated will remain to believe that she is not the legitimate president.

[baiskee]

Well, you can interpret it that way for every congressman who voted YES to junk the impeachment. I cannot judge your opinion. Your opinion will always be right for you.

well, i thank you for that. ;)

Hindi pa kasi nangyayari, pards. Future timeframe yung tinutukoy kong benefits. Meaning, magiging mas worse ang sitwasyon natin sa Pinas kapag na-impeach si GMA. So ini-iwasan nila itong mangyari kaya ibinasura na nila itong impeachment.

bakit po lalala? ang galing naman...nakikita nila yun in future, eh yung naglolokohan na ng harap-harapan di nila makita. sayang ang pilipinas.

[mazdamazda]

the only way na magkaisa ang Pilipino around GMA is for the impeachment to push through. if GMA can prove that she is not guilty of all the charges against her in the impeachment court, then everybody can move on.

now na pinatay na ang impeachment, all those who believed GMA cheated will remain to believe that she is not the legitimate president.

Well, you can't win 'em all. There is still next year though - and the opposition should be damned prepared this time.

Even if the impeachment did proceed - and the Senate found her NOT GUILTY - I seriously doubt that everybody will "move on".

[baiskee]

the only way na magkaisa ang Pilipino around GMA is for the impeachment to push through. if GMA can prove that she is not guilty of all the charges against her in the impeachment court, then everybody can move on.

now na pinatay na ang impeachment, all those who believed GMA cheated will remain to believe that she is not the legitimate president.

exactly!

Well, you can't win 'em all. There is still next year though - and the opposition should be damned prepared this time.

Even if the impeachment did proceed - and the Senate found her NOT GUILTY - I seriously doubt that everybody will "move on".

tapos sasabihin...bakit ngayon lang lumabas yan? eh ang tagal-tagal na nyan eh, chuva-chuva...