SC issues TRO vs E-VAT

[IceColdBeer]

Pwede natin umpisahan ang pagbabago sa sarili natin pero paano mo itutuwid kung yung mga nakaupo eh iipitin ka? Hahayaan mo na lang ba mag-suffer negosyo mo?

It's easier said than done.

[mazdamazda]

mazdamazda: I guess what clavel meant was, even tho your papers are legit they'll hold your shipment without the *ehem* bribe. And if you don't give them some, well, they'll hold your shipment ulit you do so. May kapitbahay kami, dad niya customs agent. Yung anak niya may 2 exped, 2 bimmer - tricked out... go figure.

Pre... kahit yung goods namin na reredlane... pero kahit delayed eh lumalabas pa rin kahit paano. Once pa lang naman kami nanakawan.

Talagang marami ngang talamak jan sa BOC... yung tita ko nga... jan inatake (at namatay) dahil medyo ayaw niya ng ganun gaguhan eh na transfer siya nung bago niyang boss sa BOC.

Kung pagbibigay at pagbibigayan natin eh putik talaga... alang mangyayari sa atin...

[CLAVEL3699]

Some jeepney & tricycle drivers in our area have their own house & lot. I don't see why it couldn't be done.

I've been to the slum areas of our neighborhood teaching to children before. I wonder how some can afford to have a drinking spree in the middle of afternoon or just laze away the whole day watching TV shows when am breaking my back working two jobs.



So it is ok to give bribes?

Sorry my bad - I was wondering why our importations don't need those.

do u know them? do u talk to them? Alam mo ba kung paano nila nakuha yung house and lot nila? Sa pagtratrabaho ba sa djip or pedicab or dahil nakapag-abroad muna sila. Ako nga medyo malaki na sweldo ko tinatamaan pa din ako kahit magtipid kami at tanggalin na yung mga luho.

Paano pa yung iba. Yung iba talaga tamad pero hindi dapat sila icompare sa mga taong masisipag pero hindi pa din kasya ang kinikita sa hirap nang buhay ngayon. Kaw nga sabi mo dalawa trabaho mo.

kailangan mo magtrabaho nang dalawa kasi kung isa lang kaya ba mabuhay nang matiwasay pamilya mo.

lets face it hindi sapat ang kinikita nang tao tapos lalagyan pa nang VAT ang basic needs. Ano na mangyayari.

Yung sa BOC malalaman mo lang kung ikaw ay nandun na sa kanilang sapatos. di ako pwede discusyon syo kasi mukha di mo alam ang kalakaran. Sana nga magkaganun yung sinasabi mo wala nang corruption.

Kaya madaming int'l company nagsara dito dahil sa corruption na yan.

[Blackraven]

I've been reading the papers and here is what I found out:

-Last year's collection target was around 190 biliion.
-Tax collection efficiency was rated at a pathetic 30 PERCENT.

So out of 190 billion, only around 70-72 billion pesos were collected. That's not even half.

This proves one thing: TAX LOOPHOLES HAVE TO BE 100% FIXED ASAP

Habang naka-halt yung E-VAT sa SC, here are some of my suggestions that the government should do for the meantime:

1) Re-intensify the BIR's Run After Tax Evaders (RATE) and the BOC's Run After The Smugglers (RATS).
-The campaigns of the BIR and BOC are showing positive results (even Mr. Escudero, opposition man, agrees that by intensifying these campaigns, there may be no need for an E-VAT).

It has been drawing good feedback so by taking it to the next level, the efficiency and effectiveness of the campaign would go even further.

2) PLUG THE COLLECTION LOOPHOLES OF REVENUE-GENERATING AGENCIES AND FIX OUR TAX EFFICIENCY COLLECTION RATE TO AT LEAST 80-100%
-some people say that by just plugging all tax and revenue loopholes in all agenices of the NG , there wouldn't be a need for an E-VAT.
-last year, out of 190 billion, 117 billion wasn't collected. According to Escudero, if the government only wants 80-100 billion, then there may be no need for an E-VAT since the missing/uncollected revenues of last year would be more than enough than the NG's minimum target of 80-100 billion.
-this also creates a statement such as: "How would the E-VAT (if re-implemented) be at its maximum efficiency when our tax collection rate is only at a staggering 30 PERCENT (and that's not even 50)?". So people would say that point.

3) If the E-VAT can't create revenues because it's currently under the TRO, create other measures for the meantime (ie. Rationalization of Fiscal Incentives, Fiscal Responsibility Bill, etc.)*
-If NG can't use E-VAT to generate more revenues to help the country, why not create subsitutes FOR THE MEAN TIME.

4) Continue austerity and cost-cutting mode mode for companies and GOCCs to avoid increasing debt and budget deficits.
-The Napocor, the biggest contributor to our debt, is deciding to do cost-cutting measures to substantially lessen its debt. GSIS, SSS and others are doing just that while the rest of the 14 GOCCs will start cost-cutting ASAP.

and probably this one is important
5) IGNORE ALL DESTABILIZATION, OUSTER AND RESIGNATION CALLS ASIDE AND FOCUS ON MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
-seriously though, Pimentel talks like hell when regarding this issue. In fact this issue won't even go anywhere if we just keep concentrating on this. Fact is, only narrow-minded people would do these and would do such things rather than focusing on rebuilding our country, improving our fiscal standing, reducing our the country's overall debt, fixing the country's problems and all these stuff. Lots of people (not everyone but opposition members for example) are not looking at the bigger picture at all. They just keep nagging like hell and allow their narrow-minded mentality to speak for what "they" believe is for "the good and national interest". WTF???
-But come on, seriously. We DO have to move on. We have tons of problems and this "gloriagate" issue just gets in the way of what we really have to do a citizens of this country. If we just remove our attention from this issue and get back to work in fixing our country's problems, then heck, maybe an E-VAT won't be needed after all.


Think about it.


PS: *Kailan mag-reresume yung session ng Congress at saka Senate? Baka we can at least start making the "rationalization of fiscal incentives" and "fiscal responsibility bill" along with other reform measures once both houses resume session. When would that be?

[GlennSter]

question..pag TRO,ilang days/months ang effectivity nun?

[creepy]

question..pag TRO,ilang days/months ang effectivity nun?

There's no specific time period. It can last one day or many months, depending on the court that issues it.

I'd like to add my two cents on this tax thing. I think we have to give credit to this govt. The tax take has increased 17-18% so far this year because of the intensified tax collection program of the BIR.

I think it is fair to say that a lot of tax evaders have been paying slightly more this year because of the high-profile cases the BIR has filed (including those against that tax-evading scum Richard Goma).

But that is NOT ENOUGH. The govt must raise money ASAP. The financial disaster facing the country without the expanded VAT is IMMINENT. Let's not wait for something worse than the 1997 financial crisis to hit us before we act.

[oldblue]

May discussion kami ng mga kaibigan ko regarding BOC and BIR, based on my friends expecience grabe ang corruption dyan, ang lalakas kumotong pati mga sekyu, janitor, etc bibigyan mo. Well if you want to look for "evidence" try going to the BOC or BIR office and get your papers done pahirapan talaga.

always like to think that the BOC & the BIR are more powerful & influential
than the President of the Phils or even the Military. have you ever wondered that this could be true? well for one thing, they have first hand
ownership of taxes collected & the President & her staff & also the military are
just receiving from it.


I think it's just an illusion to think otherwise. Kasi kahit sino naman maupo
sa Malacanang mapa-Cory-Ramos-GMA Side o mapa-Erap-Marcos side, la naman magawa to clean up these agencies.

Tingin ko kapag bago ka upo sa Malacanang, for instance, you've just been elected. kelangan ka talaga makisama sa BOC & BIR kunde la ka funds hehehe.

[oldblue]

There's no specific time period. It can last one day or many months, depending on the court that issues it.

I'd like to add my two cents on this tax thing. I think we have to give credit to this govt. The tax take has increased 17-18% so far this year because of the intensified tax collection program of the BIR.

I think it is fair to say that a lot of tax evaders have been paying slightly more this year because of the high-profile cases the BIR has filed (including those against that tax-evading scum Richard Goma).

But that is NOT ENOUGH. The govt must raise money ASAP. The financial disaster facing the country without the expanded VAT is IMMINENT. Let's not wait for something worse than the 1997 financial crisis to hit us before we act.

so delikado pala pag d na-implement ang Evat

[ILuvDetailing]

I still believe that if they "clean up" the BIR and BOC we won't need the E-VAT. Problem is mukhang malabo mangyari to... hehehe.

[1D4LV]

so delikado pala pag d na-implement ang Evat

actually, ngayon ko nga lang din naisip to eh. stock market went down yesterday. the peso again at its lowest level....

kontrolado kasi tayo ng mga pinagkakautangan natin eh. they view the implementation of e-vat as a way for the Philippines to get out of its fiscal status dahil may pambayad utang eh.

at the expense of the people.... di mo alam ngayon kung san ka lulugar.

[IceColdBeer]

actually, ngayon ko nga lang din naisip to eh. stock market went down yesterday. the peso again at its lowest level....

kontrolado kasi tayo ng mga pinagkakautangan natin eh. they view the implementation of e-vat as a way for the Philippines to get out of its fiscal status dahil may pambayad utang eh.

at the expense of the people.... di mo alam ngayon kung san ka lulugar.

Tama ka dyan pre. Ang problema kurakot nila tayo ang magbabayad

[pawsacat]

I dunno if this can apply to our government but I read from one article about Reagan's tax cut to give the Americans more spending money. In our case the more you raise taxes the more people will cut on their spending habits which will result to business establishments going down.

[IceColdBeer]

I dunno if this can apply to our government but I read from one article about Reagan's tax cut to give the Americans more spending money. In our case the more you raise taxes the more people will cut on their spending habits which will result to business establishments going down.

Yes it's true. They can lower the taxes since they have higher tax than in the Philippines and the taxes goes to government projects and not pockets.

[madmaxmaloles]

I would to quote this message sent to me by my friend:

Everyone is in a weird situation right now... with the weird things
happening in our government. If the E-Vat is implemented, we get hit like
the P3.00 fuel increase. Now the SC issued a TRO for the E-VAT
implementation, we got hit again with the fall of the peso and the stock
market.

What will happen if the E-VAT doesn't push thru? If the SC's decision goes
against the imposition of the e-VAT, the government will probably find it
impossible to pay down the debt and reduce the budget deficit.

If this should happen, the rating agencies would downgrade our sovereign
debt from stable to negative. That would mean a weaker peso, as the central
bank could not afford to squander its modest reserves trying to defend a
doomed currency. Interest rates would rise, the stock market would crash and
all imports will become much more expensive.

In the end, the price of gasoline, imported goods, medicines, even rice from
Vietnam or Thailand would go up by more than the VAT. Everybody would be
worse off and the government would have to resort to other measures to avoid
defaulting, like Argentina did. This is a lose-lose situation. In the case
of Argentina, the banks closed for two-and-a-half months, during which time
depositors were left stranded without money to buy food. When the banks
eventually reopened, the currency was devalued by 75 percent, so those
depositors lost three quarters of their capital. Our situation is not yet as
bad but we are heading in the same direction.

[mazdamazda]

Yes it's true. They can lower the taxes since they have higher tax than in the Philippines and the taxes goes to government projects and not pockets.

Contrary to popular belief... nobody would dare to steal directly from the national coffers... especially that it is tantamount to economic plunder which is tantamount to the death penalty. What usually happens is that when a contract / PO / whatever is awarded, a certain percentage / free items are given by the contractor / vendor to certain approvers.

But this slowly changing with the use of the new E-Procurement System (http://www.procurementservice.net/) and it is now being steamrolled to all National Government offices (but sadly, not LGUs). With this, purchasers & suppliers do not even need to meet in person and thus reduces the risk of under the table negotiations.

Plus, it is pain in the arse to get DBM & COA approval for unbudgeted items.

[IceColdBeer]

I'm talking about paying the right tax. Most companies, they don't pay the right tax and instead opt to pay a certain individual to lower their tax.

With regards to contract awarding, matagal ng lakaran ang pag jack up ng bid price para may panglagay sa mga nakaupo. This is the reason why we have overpriced biddings.

[boydapa]

i think this is the best solution these idiots in the government can provide...

since the collecting agencies can not do their jobs properly

edi taasan nalang natin ang tax

para kang nanghuhunting ng ibon, imbis na sniper rifle ang gamit, para sigurado edi gumamit ng shotgun!

---o diba may resulta!

[creepy]

I dunno if this can apply to our government but I read from one article about Reagan's tax cut to give the Americans more spending money. In our case the more you raise taxes the more people will cut on their spending habits which will result to business establishments going down.

This is what "supply-siders" are advocating. Didn't work. The US deficit ballooned massively as a result.

[mazdamazda]

that is the best that idiots in the government can do!

since collecting agencies can not do their jobs properly

edi taasan nalang natin ang tax---o diba may resulta!

para kang nanghuhunting ng ibon, imbis na sniper rifle ang gamit, para sigurado edi gumamit ng shotgun!

as long as companies bribe tax collectors into lowering their declared income, that will be the case.

as long as professionals continue to misdeclare their income (imagine... some doctors in A1 hospitals are declaring that their annual income is only P90,000!), that will be the case.

[boydapa]

ok!

i get the point

no choice, magaling talaga umilag yun ibon

kya dapat tlaga shotgun