"Honor rapes"? you have got to be kidding me...

[empy]

from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html

MULTAN, Pakistan (Reuters) -- Pakistani police have arrested five men on charges of kidnapping and gang-raping a woman in the latest of a string of so-called honor crimes.

The married woman was attacked because one of her male cousins had an affair with a women whose father disapproved of the relationship, police said on Wednesday.

"The accused say they carried out this horrible act as an act of honor," said police official Mohammad Mumtaz.

these actions are so atrocious they make me embarrassed to be a member of the male species.

[IceColdBeer]

Iba kasi culture nila. Sa Middle East uso pa din ang parental marriage at kapag hindi na virgin ang babae nung ikinasal eh pinapatay. Ang tanong, papaano napipreserve ng mga babae ang virginity nila hanggang ikasal sila halimbawang nagkaron sila ng ibang boyfriend hehehe

[Karding]

potah, mas dishonorable naman ang gang-rape

[empy]

Iba kasi culture nila. Sa Middle East uso pa din ang parental marriage at kapag hindi na virgin ang babae nung ikinasal eh pinapatay.

i get what you're saying...pero diba parang ang labo nung logic nila? yung pinsang lalaki ang may atraso sa pamilya mo, pero yung babae ang gagantihan mo?

Ang tanong, papaano napipreserve ng mga babae ang virginity nila hanggang ikasal sila halimbawang nagkaron sila ng ibang boyfriend hehehe

napanood ko yata tong pelikula na to ah

[j_avonni]

I also disagree with their actions, but it's their culture & customs.

[mazdamazda]

Pakistan is only acting on those things now (since there is a lot of pressure from the West to do so).

IMO - Christianity has done a bit to temper many atrocious deeds being done in the past (also by Europeans).

[nicolodeon]

Unfortunately, quite number of these "honor rapes" have been going on in Pakistan for the past few years. It is also unfortunate that most incidents have not been reported to the authorities. Like what J_A said, their culture is very different. They are still in a culture where most of the women believe that their men are their masters. Now, to some of you this might be represive but just remember: they are different from you. When we went there more than a year ago, we had women companions. We went to the remote villages and talked to the women folk and men folk. Believe me, they still don't believe or could still not get the concept of men and women as equals.

[badkuk]

oxymoron yan, only it doesn't make sense. rape is not honorable.

ganun talaga sa ibang bansa, kinakawawa masyado ung babae. in india or pakistan, pwede daw idivorce ung babae just by shouting "i divorce you!" at the woman.

i wonder what the gang rapists would say/think/feel if somebody else gang raped their mothers or sisters. would they still think it's "honorable"?

[IceColdBeer]

Mas matindi pa nga yata yung iba kasi stoned to death! p*k7 sakit nun!

i get what you're saying...pero diba parang ang labo nung logic nila? yung pinsang lalaki ang may atraso sa pamilya mo, pero yung babae ang gagantihan mo?

Yup labo talaga. Malamang takot sila sa kapwa lalake hehehe.

OT: Madalas kaaway ng mga Noypi yang mga Pakistani dito sa HK dahil sa mga pinay DH. Tiramid din kasi mga yan eh hehehe. Laging taob sa rambolan hehehe.

[RedHorse]

read same story sa time mag... in broad daylight, yata sinasagawa ito, naka-pila mga lalaki, una muna yong chief

[roninblade]

Like what J_A said, their culture is very different. They are still in a culture where most of the women believe that their men are their masters. Now, to some of you this might be represive but just remember: they are different from you.

we are all human beings, having a different culture doesn't excuse the fact that the way they still treat women is fundamentally wrong. they are being left behind by the rest of the world and if they dont enforce basic human rights for everybody walang mangyayari sa culture nila.

[nicolodeon]

Ronin, I know where you're coming from. I agree that the cuture thing is no excuse. But that's just the way they are. A number of NGOs and foreign governments have been trying to get in-roads to change the culture of these people for decades. But, like what I was told me by a village chief: what we believe is not necessary what you believe and vice versa. The concept of "human rights" is still not clear, if not foreign, to most of their people. A number of them think that "human rights" is the concept of foreigners with Western beliefs. In some places there, this Western thing is not welcome.

Even if their government implements policies to "improve" human rights, most of that is for show: to the foreign media, to the foreign celebrities that go there, to the U.N. and to whomever donor/grant agency that is out there. They put on a "show" so than more aid money, grant money or foreign loans come in. If any of us think that the bulk of these funds go to the improvement of human life for basic human rights, well...like I said: that's what we think.

[roninblade]

i understood what you said the first time dude.
i just quoted you to state my own opinion on the subject.

[mazdamazda]

They don't usually welcome change since it will cause a partial collapse of their highly patriarchal society.

Since childhood, women were taught that they were just a notch above cattle while men were taught that they are superior to women.

[caloyski5]

honor my arse!


libog yan, bow.