Not everything in the Bible is true...

[nugundam93]

akala ko ba kasalanan ang pumatay? bakit puro kamatayan ang parusa sa mga yan?

exactly. do not kill but if religion says, then it's ok?

i'm starting to hate religion na. ang gulo.

[GlennSter]

imo..religion is about teachings to be good..to be in harmony with life.

may it be islam..catholic..protestant...they are all the same to me...to teach LOVE.

everything revolves around love.haing a son..having a daughter...having friends.life IS ABOUT LOVE.

we will never know if there really is a God...but many people do believe there is one God.may it be ALLAH...YAHWEH...etc.the important thing is..they BELIEVE there is ONLY ONE.

i have a question lang..im just curious.

isnt it better to believe in a GOD even if you are not sure if there is any.. then in the end, you'll see that there really IS A GOD....rather than NOT BELIEVE in any God?

“Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.” [Blaise Pascal, Pensées, Infini-Rien]

i just wanna know your take on this mga dudes...back in college...my partner and i ended up dismissing this statement in front of our philosophy teacher (favorite kasi namin ang philo of religion...hindi lang ako nakikisali sa mga discussion dito..herherherh)..sabi niya "excellent"..pero diko na matandaan ang mga arguements namin about this.

[oldblue]

Why is it that all the dramatic miracles mentioned in the Bible (parting of the Red Sea, Noah's flood, burning bush, talking mountain, etc.) only took place within the Bible's pages? Why aren't they taking place today or when exactly did these miracles stop?

Could it be that all these miracles in the Bible were meant to be taken "symbolically" as well?

noah's flood did happened after the ice age. apparently natunaw ang ice sa northern hemisphere like europe, canada, north america. the reverse of day after tomorrow movie.

and noah naman is located din sa favorite place ni God sa middle east so they wouldn't know na may ice age coz europe, america hindi pa na-discover noon time na yun.

science also points out to the polar shift of the earth. wherein today, the magnetic north, is not the true north pole. gumalaw daw ang mundo for unknown reasons and catastrophe of biblical proportions ang nangyari.


and the cities of sodom and gomorrah: what are the two most celebrated mystical ancient cities of all times: Atlantis and Lemuria . in ancient times, history is pointing out that could have been two continents inside the two biggest oceans in the World, Pacific and Atlantic. kumbaga these lost continents are parts of the jigzaw puzzle of present continents. it was said that both cities got so arrogant with their advancements and just like our civilization, corruption, greed and lust for power din ang cause kumbakit sila nadestroy. sobrang ganda daw ng mga cities nito noon araw.

Even the Philisopher Plato has been so fascinated with marvelous city of Atlantis that he always bragged about it sa mga students and writings nya.

The Lemurians may very well be our ancestors, The Yellow skinny race. off the coast of Japan, divers have already uncovered ancient Pyramids under the ocean. these Pyramids date back thousand of years earlier than the Egyptian Pyramids.

haba no, hehehe. The bible is not to be interpreted literally, after all, it was written in an ancient language. but we must not be too quick to judge either na mali naman yan bible. we have no right ...

[stinkaboy]

hay sarap basahin ang thread na to. ;)

[BoEinG_747]

keep on posting lang guys..habang eat lang ako ng Popcorn

[falken]

5 pages na!

[the_wildthing]

It is pretty obvious from the start that not everything in the bible is true, or literal.

What matters is my personal relationship with God and neighbor. All else are just semantics - not something I feel should be argued about.

[oldblue]

well it can be true, we just dont know how to decipher it. the greatest dictator ever known risked a world war for it. even went as far as Egypt coz he believed the ark of the covenant (Moses' ark) was inside one of the pyramids. and to think, his initial battecry was only to unify and to police the European nations and to free them from Jewish influence.

[nugundam93]

wildthing: exactly! :D

[margaux]

actually, who exactly said this one: "ALL the writings in the bible is true." Everything has been written as a document as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. I studied in a Catholic School for 11 years and the only thing I have learned most importantly is my faith in God, the relationship between Him and me. Why should people care about these things anyway? Put it this way, the prophets who wrote those words of wisdom in the bible believes in one single thing and they told others about what they believed in...so people will trust that God exists. Same thing happens now, people say these things to correct what THEY think is right and let people know about it as well...but for what reason? ....to gain people's trust that CHRIST isn't real or that he is a fraud? That's THEIR own belief, let them be. What I only consider is that GOD is real and I have faith in Him. The Bible is there for teachings. That's about it.

[Flagg]

gundam, basahin mo post ko sa page 2 re "put to death." masama po yung hate.

tama po c wild thing & glennster, imho, for the reason you'll see below.

For those interested, nakakaaliw basahin yung "The Hiram Key" - medyo unvalidated na work yun that basically says na Catholicism comes from Nazarene (or Essene) beliefs which came from Egyptian beliefs which came from Sumerian beliefs. Ayos ba? Ganun katanda yung Bible. Mga Jews formed as a nation bandang Egyptian slavery time lang. There is no way the Bible can be literally correct. It has to be interpreted.

Re: flood. There was a flood which wiped out the Sumerian civilization. Theory ng mga archaeologist na ito ang nag start ng mga Flood stories. Yung shallowest point ng flood (hills) was 4 meters deep. Imagine po yung parts ng land na fields kaysa hills, ang lalim na dun. Buong Tigris-Euphrates basin yun, para sa kanila, end of the world na talaga.

Sa mga nagpa-popcorn, baka maging malagkit keyboard & mouse nyo. ;)

[nugundam93]

hmmmm flagg...saw the post. :D

[Steeljack]

I can understand people believing in God. And I can understand people that read the Bible and take its message to heart.

But what I can't understand is how anyone can take a scripture written by other men as the final word of God. Especially when its a well known fact that this Bible has been manipulated for political gain through out history. A fine example of this is the exclusion of certain gospels, deemed uncomfortable by the ruling priests at that time.

To me, the Bible is in many ways an interesting historical document and a book filled with good lessons to learn but through the course of history it has primarily been a tool with which to oppress people.

The scariest thing is that people actually accept it as undisputable fact, even though historians have proven many things wrong by looking at archeological finds and other documentation from the same era.

However, if people find comfort in the Bible and it makes their life easier to live, more power to them. I have friends who read Playboy with the same determination. And others who favor Car and Driver.

To each is their own.

[Zxho]

meehehehe...

[empy]

NOW this should start getting good :evillaugh

[badkuk]

some people consider the Bible as world history; i had a Physics teacher who doesn't believe that man evolved from apes; ang sabi nya these weren't true humans, mga degenerates daw mga yun. He believes that man descended from Adam and Eve.

One religion teacher had a good explanation though. Ano ba naman ang malay ng taong nagsulat ng Bible about evolution, big bang, etc? siyempre he would just do his best to describe the process, without the benefit of thousands of years of scientific knowledge. So when he/she wrote "In the beginning, there was darkness...'Let There Be Light'..", he/she could've been talking about the big bang.

to me, science explains how things came to be, but it doesn't explain *who* started it all, or for what purpose. to me it's a bit of a stretch to say life started on earth just by chance.

[the_wildthing]

This reminds me of Samuel L. Jackson's lines in M. Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable about comic books... an exaggeration of the truth, but based on truth nonetheless.

Also a lot must have been lost in translation. Even the word Yahweh was created during translation. Some words have been replaced because nothing comes close to the original words.

[niky]

food for thought, to paraphrase niky:

the Bible is God's word interpreted by man. man is an imperfect being.

Ah... thanks... :lol: ...that's exactly what I wanted to say.

For me, I'm an on-again, off-again Christian. On when I think of Christ, his works and words... Off when I think of what millions of people over the centuries have done with it.

Kaya nga, Christ is the only source that matters. Not the prophets, nor the kings, nor the imperfect and balimbing apostles who profitted from his death.

Isa ngang radical si Kristo. He tore down the old institutions of religion... to make it more right and just for the people. That's why I loved Pope John Paul II, even if he stood for some things I didn't like, he attempted to tear down the fossilized old strictures of the Catholic Church (as part of Vatican II) to make it more relevant to the world today.

Are we going to let the works of good men go to waste, simply in our blind worship of a book? Akala ko, Christian tayo, hindi Biblian?

Sige... I'm going out to buy more popcorn...

[truckman]

ako din di naniniwala sa Bible pero naniniwala ako na merong GOD.

[DoctorDoom]

I think everyone here is settled with the fact that not everything in the Bible is "true" (meaning, they are not LITERALLY true). So the question now is, how much of the scriptures are LITERAL accounts of events, and how much of it are just symbolic passages ?

Who wants to take a stab on this question: Why is it that the miracles narrated in the Bible only took place within the Bible?? Sure, we have the great flood analysis or the low tide theory that supposedly describes the parting of the Red Sea ..... but what about miracles in modern times ?????

Do we have:

1) a burning bush that talks
2) talking mountain
3) deaf who can hear, blind who can see at an instant
4) modern day Lazarus

It is as if, after the last pages of the Bible were written, everything about Christianity has ceased taking place, and from that point thereafter, people started to simply "quote from the Bible".