Guns: A Necessity in Today's Society?

**yebo** · October 23rd, 2013 06:59 PM

I never had any stopages on my cz75 .40sw except when using the crap reloaded ammo that stove piped when i went to the old jethro firing range at west ave. No problems with factory ammo or reloads from pb dionisio.

**safeorigin** · October 23rd, 2013 07:52 PM

^don't mind me. I'm just totally obsessed with a reliable gun :/

**monty_GTV** · October 23rd, 2013 08:36 PM

* july 2012 gunshow, me and my wife bought glock 17 gen4
* nov 2012 gunshow, we bought glock 19

both FA's fired only when they were picked up from gunstore, they stayed inside the cabinet away from kids sight and reach

the last time i checked on them, the g17 slide top surface near the rear sight started to rust

i cleaned and applied oil. the g19 was ok, no trace of rusting but oiled the slide anyway. i had not checked the insides though because i am not that confident to strip them. i am also afraid that once i stripped, i will not be able to re-assemble it

but i saw some field stripping videos in you tube, it looked like simple and easy thing to do

, i might try to disassemble them soon.

this coming gunshow, we're planning to buy a shotgun

our small time business and my backyard gamefarm are growing and i think i need something to scare any potential intruders

**miLes** · October 24th, 2013 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by safeorigin

Glock comes to mind but here are alternatives(might be even better!) for .40s&w:

Walther PPQ. Not the prettiest handgun but the ergonomics and the trigger are phenomenal for a factory gun.

Maybe Sig 2022. Ergonomic but the trigger is mushy(as you'd expect from a combat sidearm) albeit smooth. Very reliable. Grab while it's affordable.

Personally not fond of the .40s&w. Some have feeding issues with certain guns unlike 9mm. (might be the spring)

For my needs, I prioritize shot placement and followup shots over firepower. But that's just me... read: CZ-75 fanboi

hm after a couple more research i think i will go with 9mm. so where to window shop? is there a place similar to cartimar-pets for guns?

**e2romo** · October 24th, 2013 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by miLes

hm after a couple more research i think i will go with 9mm. so where to window shop? is there a place similar to cartimar-pets for guns?

Gun show is already next month at MOA. Usually 10% discount from the original price. Lots of gun on display, various varieties.

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**safeorigin** · October 24th, 2013 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by miLes

hm after a couple more research i think i will go with 9mm. so where to window shop? is there a place similar to cartimar-pets for guns?

it's not always about how the gun looks or how large the caliber is. There are great looking guns out there but once you hold and fire them suck after a while... I don't know about you but I prefer caveman simple guns. Less complex = less things to go wrong when SHTF + much easier to train with muscle memory.

**frenchtower** · October 24th, 2013 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by miLes

hm after a couple more research i think i will go with 9mm. so where to window shop?

Good decision to go 9mm first. Later, when you decide to add another, you can consider other calibers.

There are other more things you might want to consider when acquiring your first gun like size, capacity, finish, frame material, firing mechanism, etc. You can refer to this site to compare what is currently on the market. Also, going to a store to check out guns is like going to a car showroom. You don't decide on just how it looks. You also need to test drive it. I would suggest you to go to a firing range and audition their rental units or you can ask you friends to let you try their guns.

As like others here who admire their CZ pistols, I too am sucked into it. I have two of them and both 9mm (I currently have four 9mm pistols and still want more). It just strikes a very good over-all balance. Again, choosing the right gun is purely a matter of personal preference. Good luck with your quest.

**foresterx** · October 24th, 2013 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by safeorigin

Walther PPQ. Not the prettiest handgun but the ergonomics and the trigger are phenomenal for a factory gun.

Maybe Sig 2022. Ergonomic but the trigger is mushy(as you'd expect from a combat sidearm) albeit smooth. Very reliable. Grab while it's affordable.

i wouldn't recommend PPQ in the philippines, it's hard to find plus parts aren't available. i used to have p99, magazines we're pretty hard to find and expensive and when the back strap broke i had to wait a couple of months just to get a new one.

sig 2022 wouldn't recommend it either, probably the 2nd worst pistol ever made by sig. first one is the 250. if you're buying a 9mm or .40 sig the best choice would be the 226/229.

Originally Posted by monty_GTV

* july 2012 gunshow, me and my wife bought glock 17 gen4
* nov 2012 gunshow, we bought glock 19

both FA's fired only when they were picked up from gunstore, they stayed inside the cabinet away from kids sight and reach

the last time i checked on them, the g17 slide top surface near the rear sight started to rust

i cleaned and applied oil. the g19 was ok, no trace of rusting but oiled the slide anyway. i had not checked the insides though because i am not that confident to strip them. i am also afraid that once i stripped, i will not be able to re-assemble it

but i saw some field stripping videos in you tube, it looked like simple and easy thing to do

, i might try to disassemble them soon.

this coming gunshow, we're planning to buy a shotgun

our small time business and my backyard gamefarm are growing and i think i need something to scare any potential intruders

the g17 is a USA not an Austrian glock i assume? cause austrian glocks would never rust because of it's finish on the other hand USA ones will rust just like any other gun, that's why a lot of glock owners tend to stay away from usa made glocks as much as possible.

Originally Posted by miLes

hm after a couple more research i think i will go with 9mm. so where to window shop? is there a place similar to cartimar-pets for guns?

makati cinema square is one place, but i'd recommend contacting lock and load since they carry pretty much all pistols available in the philippine market plus they have great service.

**frenchtower** · October 24th, 2013 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by safeorigin

it's not always about how the gun looks or how large the caliber is. There are great looking guns out there but once you hold and fire them suck after a while... I don't know about you but I prefer caveman simple guns. Less complex = less things to go wrong when SHTF + much easier to train with muscle memory.

I see you have no love for a HK or a Desert Eagle

**safeorigin** · October 24th, 2013 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by frenchtower

I see you have no love for a HK or a Desert Eagle

Yes... firing .50AE for an extensive period is a great idea. HK is kinda meh when it comes to triggers. Heck for that matter, I also don't like the M9 even it's more convenient to disassemble.

As for 4th gen glocks, it initially had reliability issues with 9mm because of the spring redesign. It's much more suited for .40s&w and .45acp IMO. Rusting is attributed to finish. Hmmm... Melonite.

The only difference in the "Tennifer" process and "Melonite" is the brand name.
But the original German formulation for the "Tennifer" carbonitriding salt bath used 60% sodium cyanide and cyanate and 40% potassium cyanide and cyanate.... That's why the EPA wouldn't let anyone do it here.
The process has to be cyanide free here.

Not sure how Sig 2022 is that terrible for the price point. Compared to their line-up, sure. Against its intended competitors, probably not. If you can afford it, go Sig 22x family.