Does school really matter?

[dr. d]

i remember nung time ng sister ko sa diliman, may isang parking lot doon na tambayan ng isang frat and parang car show every time susunduin namin kapatid ko.

... sa harap nang AS. as how we used to call it.
back when JD and MD red buses were still the way to commute.

[Verbl Kint]

... sa harap nang AS. as how we used to call it.
back when JD and MD red buses were still the way to commute.

I believe it's still called AS but outsiders know it as Palma Hall, of course. I wonder if the IKOT TOKI jeeps are still around.

[_Cathy_]

hindi naman, po.
marami ring magaan lang ang kaya na naka enrol doon. take it from me. "i know."
hindi lang sila nagpapa-halata sa publiko.

remember some years ago?
the valedictorian was the son of a lavander. and his classmates either had no inkling, or knew but did not care.

one issue with society,
is that usually, only the noisy ones get noticed.

pero doc, when were you in UP? I think the AB population in UP keeps increasing over time. I have friends who went to UP in the 90s to early 2000s puro mga may kaya. Yung mga taga province bibilhan condo at kotse for use here in Manila.

A significant population are of upper middle to upper class stock. I think the reason why hindi kasama sa meme eh they would tend to blend in to avoid being mocked (mga konyo) or at least tone down.

Yes, I agree

Personally, I really think there should be an income prerequisite for you to get a full scholarship to a state university. Full scholarships should only be given to the CDE socio-economic groups. The AB crowd should pay their own way, or at least, pay for most of it.

My cousin went to UP in the early 90s and she was already commenting about how there are so many rich students in UP and that the AB should just go to other schools to give chance to those without money to get into a good/top school. What's funny is, sa mother's side ko sila pinakamayaman! But then again, she's taking med kaya UP talaga.

[Yatta]

pero doc, when were you in UP? I think the AB population in UP keeps increasing over time. I have friends who went to UP in the 90s to early 2000s puro mga may kaya. Yung mga taga province bibilhan condo at kotse for use here in Manila.



Yes, I agree



My cousin went to UP in the early 90s and she was already commenting about how there are so many rich students in UP and that the AB should just go to other schools to give chance to those without money to get into a good/top school. What's funny is, sa mother's side ko sila pinakamayaman! But then again, she's taking med kaya UP talaga.

Well, thats not how UP was conceived by the Americans (yup kasalanan ng mga Kano). Its supposed to take in the best the country has regardless of income, creed or religion. Unfortunately nga some are more prepared than others...

[Verbl Kint]

Well, thats not how UP was conceived by the Americans (yup kasalanan ng mga Kano). Its supposed to take in the best the country has regardless of income, creed or religion. Unfortunately nga some are more prepared than others...

I'm perfectly fine with rich kids going to state universities, so long as they pay their own way. Scholarships should only be just for students who really need it.

[_Cathy_]

Don't they ask for the ITR of the parents of all students?

[dr. d]

admission to UP is still largely by merit, i.e., grades and entrance exam.
unfortunately, it is the more affluent who can afford to enrol in high-quality high schools, thus affording them better chance at garnering higher entrance exam grade.
nung panahon ng 'merika kasi, our public school system is good or better, than the private schools.
some say that in the philippines, those who "have issues" are the ones who enrol in private schools, back then.

in some UPs, (all UPs?), family income is considered. thus, the richer ones pay higher, while the poorer ones pay less.

[_Cathy_]

My brother passed UPd but my parents didn't allow him to go to UPd. That really pissed my brother off hehe

I wonder, sa generation ngayon, do parents still control the education of their children? Kuya ko grade school pa lang alam na ng family saan siya mag MBA Kami mga babae hindi masyado pinapakialamanan kasi sa family namin mas valued ang lalaki

[Yatta]

Don't they ask for the ITR of the parents of all students?

Even back then no, not unless you are applying for scholarship or financial assistance.

admission to UP is still largely by merit, i.e., grades and entrance exam.
unfortunately, it is the more affluent who can afford to enrol in high-quality high schools, thus affording them better chance at garnering higher entrance exam grade.
nung panahon ng 'merika kasi, our public school system is good or better, than the private schools.
some say that in the philippines, those who "have issues" are the ones who enrol in private schools, back then.

in some UPs, (all UPs?), family income is considered. thus, the richer ones pay higher, while the poorer ones pay less.

Because of the law on free college tuition (RA 10931 of 2017), state colleges and universities are now free of tuition (for the duration of the baccalaureate course, 4-5 years if I'm not mistaken, after that you start paying para hindi naman maabuso). Before this one had to pay up or apply for assistance.

My brother passed UPd but my parents didn't allow him to go to UPd. That really pissed my brother off hehe

I wonder, sa generation ngayon, do parents still control the education of their children? Kuya ko grade school pa lang alam na ng family saan siya mag MBA Kami mga babae hindi masyado pinapakialamanan kasi sa family namin mas valued ang lalaki

Obviously since even with free tuition there are still bills to pay (allowances, dorm/house fees, other expenses). So even if UP is free there are still those who withdraw lalo kapag taga-probinsiya and yung program is at a specific campus only.

[dr. d]

Because of the law on free college tuition (RA 10931 of 2017), state colleges and universities are now free of tuition (for the duration of the baccalaureate course, 4-5 years if I'm not mistaken, after that you start paying para hindi naman maabuso). Before this one had to pay up or apply for assistance.

yup. bachelors' degrees are now tuition-free.
but medicine is considered postgraduate. our students pay graduated fees, based on parents' ITR.

[dr. d]

Obviously since even with free tuition there are still bills to pay (allowances, dorm/house fees, other expenses). So even if UP is free there are still those who withdraw lalo kapag taga-probinsiya and yung program is at a specific campus only.

there are several reasons why they do not proceed to UP.

loyalty to one's alma mater.
peer pressure.
malayo sa bahay.
dorm expenses, atbp.
scholarship offerings by competing university.
perceived culture shock, from the student or from the relatives.
non-Catholic atmosphere.
and in our case of medical students, walang pang-matricula, pang-aklats, pang-uniporme, pagkain sa araw-araw, tirahan ('ciano, 'ika nga. heh heh)! advice namin, "hijo, mag enrol ka na. hahanapan ka namin nang iskolarship."
atpb.

[Yatta]

yup. bachelors' degrees are now tuition-free.
but medicine is considered postgraduate. our students pay graduated fees, based on parents' ITR.

Baccalaureate degrees are free, post-grad courses (masters and above, law and medicine) are not.

[greenlyt]

I believe it's still called AS but outsiders know it as Palma Hall, of course. I wonder if the IKOT TOKI jeeps are still around.

Inabot ko pa yun Kanto Katipunan jeeps nun nasa UP IS pa ako, meron pa kaya?

[Yatta]

I believe it's still called AS but outsiders know it as Palma Hall, of course. I wonder if the IKOT TOKI jeeps are still around.

There are still people who call it AS. It was a self-perpetuating name. Even though it was officially renamed Palma Hall in the early 80s, students kept calling it AS with freshmen specifically in order to blend in. Pero during the pandemic, naputol so now marami na tumatawag sa kanya na Palma Hall. Ikot and Tokis are still around.

Inabot ko pa yun Kanto Katipunan jeeps nun nasa UP IS pa ako, meron pa kaya?

Yung mga scam "UP-Katipunan" jeeps na hanggang kanto lang? Yup still victimizing students.

[111prez]

ang kuwento ni Robert ...

Isa sa pangarap ng mga gustong maging abugado ay ang makapasok sa isang sikat pamantasan, partikular sa kanilang College of Law.
Noong 2003, excited at the same time, kabado si Robert sa kanyang admission kung saan isang panel o grupo ng mga tao sa College of Law ng nasabing pamantasan ang mag-i-interview, inisyal na nitong napasa ang written examination, sunod na ay ang panel.

Ang naging resulta ng interviews ay kabiguan, ilan sa mga tanong ng mga ito ay masyado ng personal, tungkol sa kanyang ina ang mga tanong, hindi nito alam ang isasagot sa ginawang panghuhusga na hindi na sakop ng pagpasok n'ya sa College of Law.

Ang ilan at eksaktong tanong ng mga ito kay Robert ay: "Ano ang masasabi mo sa pagkabaliw ng nanay mo?", "Magkano ang tinataya ng tatay mo tuwing nagsasabong s'ya?", pagkatapos ng deleberasyon ng resulta, bigong nakapasok ang binata sa pamantasan na inilarawan bilang pamumulitika o sinadyang hindi s'ya tanggapin.

Nakapasa naman si Robert sa isa ring eksklosibong pamantasan, pero dinamdam nito ang nakaraang oral interview dahilan para makakuha ng mababang marka sa constitutional Law kung saan eksperto ang kanyang abugadong ina. Naramdaman ng ina na malungkot ito at walang tigil ang pagsabi nang "wala sa taas ng marka o anumang resulta ng pagsusulit ang tunay na tagumpay, dahil ang tunay na laban ay pagkatapos mo sa pag-aabugasya at ang makapag lingkod ka sa bayan ang mas importante, basta pasado, okey sa akin 'yun anak!"
Isang umaga, kinakatok ng ina ang anak para kumain, kadalasan kasi mapag-isa ang binatao introvert, kundi nagbabasa ng mga libro ay nagkukulong ito sa kwarto maghapon, pero sa muli n'yang pagtawag sa anak, hindi na ito sumasagot na parang hindi normal, hanggang sa nag-alala na ito. Pagbukas n'ya ng pinto ng kwarto ni Robert, tumambad sa kanya ang katawan ng anak na nakahandusay sa sahig at duguan.

Nagbaril si Robert sa ulo, gamit ang baril ng ama, isinugod ito sa hospital ngunit huli na ang lahat.

Maraming anak ang nanghahangad na pumantay sa talino ng kanilang mga magulang, o ang kahalagahan na mas maging proud ang mga magulang sa kanyang anak, ngunit ang depression ay may mas malalim na dahilan, na hindi nauunawaan ng normal na tao, madalas mahirap mabatid kung bakit nagagawang kitlin nila ang kanilang sariling buhay dahil sa depresyon.
Pagkatapos ng pangyayaring ito, tinanggal na ang oral Interviews/Panel Interviews sa nasabing pamantasan at pinaalis rin sa posisyon ang mga ito. Nagsimulang pag-usapan ang depression at anxiety sa bansa, nagsimula ring talakayin ito sa mga programa sa telebisyon, lumalabas na napakarami pa lang tao sa Pilipinas ang nagsasabing okey sila pero deep inside, ay hindi.
Kaya sa tuwing may nakikita kang kakilala ka, kaibigan o kapamilya na tahimik o malalim ang iniisip, kausapin mo sila, pakinggan mo sila at iparamdam na hindi sila nag-iisa at patuloy silang suportahan sa pamamagitan ng pagmamalasakit, pagpapaintindi pakikinig na kahit feeling nila ay hindi sila enough o sapat.

At sa mga taong nakakaranas ng depresyon, buksan mo ang iyong pinto para sa lahat, pilitin mong bumangon at buksan ang pinto ng liwanag, napakarami pang pangarap na maaabot mo pa, 'wag ka lang susuko, magpakonsulta ka o magpasama ka sa Doktor, at lagi mong tatandaan na napakaraming nagmamahal sa'yo.



Alam natin kung ano itong salaring paaralan na tinutukoy dito

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[dr. d]

in my opinion,
we might be giving the background scenario too much credit as the cause of the eventual outcome.

self-un-alivement among students is not exclusive to any one school or university or course.
and it is more common than we imagine.
"they just keep it under wraps."
there is strong stigma against it, kasi.

and yes, pathologic depression is genetic, 50% of the time. it is a true illness.
many times, there do not seem to be an identifiable trigger that brings about the downward spiral.

i asked a classmate about depression as an illness.
he says,
"in our society, psychological and psychiatric illness are poorly understood outside of the circle of the specialty, even doctors. and there is a stigma associated with it. thus, it is not talked about too much. and worse, itina-tanggi to death na meron silang kamag-anak na may sakit nito. either they refuse to admit it, or they honestly do not recognize the illness. yes, it can be managed successfully, with the person living a normal life and eventually die of old age... but the person has first to recognize his condition, and cooperate with the treatment. and yes, support from friends and relatives also helps considerably."

in recent years, there are new information indicating the organic basis for psychological or psychiatric illness. the lesions in the brain are identified, the malfunction identified and understood... somewhat..., and the pharmacologic agent ("the drug of choice"), formulated and made available in the market.

[Verbl Kint]

Miriam Defensor Santiago's son, AR, also took his own life, unfortunately. IIRC, it was because he wasn't doing well in Ateneo Law.

May they rest in peace.

[Ry_Tower]

Miriam Defensor Santiago's son, AR, also took his own life, unfortunately. IIRC, it was because he wasn't doing well in Ateneo Law.

May they rest in peace.

The post of 111prez is the story of AR. He became a target because of his mom.

[111prez]

Miriam Defensor Santiago's son, AR, also took his own life, unfortunately. IIRC, it was because he wasn't doing well in Ateneo Law.

May they rest in peace.

Mukhang na traumatized at apektado na sya sa nangyari bago nag Ateneo Law.

Curiously, a life was affected but the panel just "dissolved" with no accountability or apologies at all.

Yan ang academic impunity, este freedom pala, tsk tsk tsk

[Yatta]

The post of 111prez is the story of AR. He became a target because of his mom.

Ganyan din naman sa PMA and PNPA. May hazing pero mas vicious and marked for "attention" ang mga anak ng alumni, especially mga generals.