2014 Mazda 3

[travajante]

Unfortunately, Motolite is the supplier of the Q85 deep cycle replacement locally. Like you, balong sir, I'm no fan. I've been repeatedly burnt over the years. That brand really slid when they siphoned resources from batts into KFCs & Mr.DONUTs...
Here are the Q85 equivalents i've dug for y'all w/ 2.0s to check & compare....
-Motolite 1SMF/NS50ZZL/D23L
-AC DELCO: SQ85D23LEFB
-OPTIMA YELLOW 8012021 FFP Group34
I'm not sure if Delco is any better, but that's what the Aussies get. Optima is good, tho, but they're sized differently...the fit could be a challenge.
Aside from Varta, BMW also used Exide, at least for MINIs....a buddy's still has 1 from 2006 working to this day.
The genius difference? The battery is in the trunk....better batt environment, lower temps, better weight distribution....👍
Mazda being an obvious believer in Bimmer drive dynamics should've taken cue. The consumer benefits far outweigh the manufacturer's cost...just a longer harness, a well rust-proofed & vented trunk batt compartment aren't difficult requirements. Perhaps in the facelift????
Unless the Q85 & equivalents go well beyond 2years, realize the math.....present local Q85 batt cost will never be recovered by iStop gas savings based on current pump prices & real data we've gathered from 2.0 buddies in local drive conditions....not to mention the local traffic effect on efficiency....&, the longevity of the capacitor. That will even be costlier once yojin leaves.....all these, the long term intention & more, pointed me to my hobo.
Simply put, I wanted SkyActiv not the iStop.

[chiezee]

Just wondering can you use smart charger for this type of batteries?

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[testament11]

Here's some things regarding the battery of 2.0 units.

There's already someone sa group who already changed the batteries to Motolite ones. Jairus already had his battery replaced and so far, ok pa naman. Yun battery niya conked out at 30k kms (?). Tapos ang price nung battery is 13k din daw. Doon sa Mazda Pasig, may poster na sila na available na yun battery for 2.0, made by Motolite.

Like me, ayaw ko na rin ng Motolite. Useless na siya after the warranty expires. Swerte mo nalang kung nasira ang battery during warranty period dahil libre ang bagong battery mo. I am hoping for an Amaron replacement for this. We can source out Optima dito pero I don't know the price.

Travs, brah, how much is that Optima yellow here?

[sparcom2]

Unfortunately, Motolite is the supplier of the Q85 deep cycle replacement locally. Like you, balong sir, I'm no fan. I've been repeatedly burnt over the years. That brand really slid when they siphoned resources from batts into KFCs & Mr.DONUTs...
Here are the Q85 equivalents i've dug for y'all w/ 2.0s to check & compare....
-Motolite 1SMF/NS50ZZL/D23L
-AC DELCO: SQ85D23LEFB
-OPTIMA YELLOW 8012021 FFP Group34
I'm not sure if Delco is any better, but that's what the Aussies get. Optima is good, tho, but they're sized differently...the fit could be a challenge.
Aside from Varta, BMW also used Exide, at least for MINIs....a buddy's still has 1 from 2006 working to this day.
The genius difference? The battery is in the trunk....better batt environment, lower temps, better weight distribution....👍
Mazda being an obvious believer in Bimmer drive dynamics should've taken cue. The consumer benefits far outweigh the manufacturer's cost...just a longer harness, a well rust-proofed & vented trunk batt compartment aren't difficult requirements. Perhaps in the facelift????
Unless the Q85 & equivalents go well beyond 2years, realize the math.....present local Q85 batt cost will never be recovered by iStop gas savings based on current pump prices & real data we've gathered from 2.0 buddies in local drive conditions....not to mention the local traffic effect on efficiency....&, the longevity of the capacitor. That will even be costlier once yojin leaves.....all these, the long term intention & more, pointed me to my hobo.
Simply put, I wanted SkyActiv not the iStop.

Same principle why i like my 1.5V

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[travajante]

Just wondering can you use smart charger for this type of batteries?

Should the Q85 lose charge, rapid chargers like the Fonius Acctiva Professional 35A/70A Flash Charger is recommended.
I'm not sure about smart & trickle chargers to keep batts healthy as it's the constant charge/discharge abuse that may see them to their premature end.
The irony here is having to disable an advanced & costly feature to save on components like a consumable batt & its other testicle...the capacitor.
Who knows, for Ph, if the whispers become loud cries...Mazda might do itself & the market a favor by offering the 2.0 Sky w/o the "i".

Travs, brah, how much is that Optima yellow here?

The Optimas I've seen were around mid teens locally. In Amazon, it's around $180...
Sadly, testa brah, upon checking & as I suspected...
Amazon says:
"DOES NOT FIT YOUR MAZDA3"
Check here:
Amazon.com: Optima Batteries 8012-021 D34 YellowTop Dual Purpose Battery: Automotive

[balongbalong]

Unfortunately, Motolite is the supplier of the Q85 deep cycle replacement locally. Like you, balong sir, I'm no fan. I've been repeatedly burnt over the years. That brand really slid when they siphoned resources from batts into KFCs & Mr.DONUTs...
Here are the Q85 equivalents i've dug for y'all w/ 2.0s to check & compare....
-Motolite 1SMF/NS50ZZL/D23L
-AC DELCO: SQ85D23LEFB
-OPTIMA YELLOW 8012021 FFP Group34
I'm not sure if Delco is any better, but that's what the Aussies get. Optima is good, tho, but they're sized differently...the fit could be a challenge.
Aside from Varta, BMW also used Exide, at least for MINIs....a buddy's still has 1 from 2006 working to this day.
The genius difference? The battery is in the trunk....better batt environment, lower temps, better weight distribution....[emoji106]
Mazda being an obvious believer in Bimmer drive dynamics should've taken cue. The consumer benefits far outweigh the manufacturer's cost...just a longer harness, a well rust-proofed & vented trunk batt compartment aren't difficult requirements. Perhaps in the facelift????
Unless the Q85 & equivalents go well beyond 2years, realize the math.....present local Q85 batt cost will never be recovered by iStop gas savings based on current pump prices & real data we've gathered from 2.0 buddies in local drive conditions....not to mention the local traffic effect on efficiency....&, the longevity of the capacitor. That will even be costlier once yojin leaves.....all these, the long term intention & more, pointed me to my hobo.
Simply put, I wanted SkyActiv not the iStop.

So natuloy pala yun mazda x motolite collab. Im sure mazda ph would at least let motolite match its spec for the replacements, given how many cx5 and mazda 3 with istops are out there, especially if they sell it as oem replacements from casas. Otherwise they will have a big problem. I hope we can still order the oem battery installed from japan factory, if customer wants to pay for it. Or parallel smugglers will have good business 2 or 3 years from now.

Re bmws and benz, mine all came with vartas, amazing your buddy's lasted 9 years, never heard that before. From personal experience 6 years is my max. Oh, not all bmws have batteries in the trunk, fyi. The battery i was talking about lasting 4 to 6 years is up front in the engine bay but garaged, while the 2 to 3 years was in the trunk, parked outside. And bmw trunk battery compartment (at least on mine) aren't vented, in fact they are semi sealed as they are covered by trunk mat lined with carpet. Just that the battery have a tube going outside the vehicle to release whatever it needs releasing that can be bad for humans.

[balongbalong]

Here's some things regarding the battery of 2.0 units.

There's already someone sa group who already changed the batteries to Motolite ones. Jairus already had his battery replaced and so far, ok pa naman. Yun battery niya conked out at 30k kms (?). Tapos ang price nung battery is 13k din daw. Doon sa Mazda Pasig, may poster na sila na available na yun battery for 2.0, made by Motolite.

Like me, ayaw ko na rin ng Motolite. Useless na siya after the warranty expires. Swerte mo nalang kung nasira ang battery during warranty period dahil libre ang bagong battery mo. I am hoping for an Amaron replacement for this. We can source out Optima dito pero I don't know the price.

Travs, brah, how much is that Optima yellow here?

Nice to see other owners really get to use their 3 that often, 30k kms, assuming he's an early adopter, within 2 years is great! But battery dying that early, isn't, yikes!!!

Yup, if its designed to last that way, hangang dun lang talaga. If sumobra, questionable nga bakit tumagal, hehe.

[travajante]

So natuloy pala yun mazda x motolite collab. Im sure mazda ph would at least let motolite match its spec for the replacements, given how many cx5 and mazda 3 with istops are out there, especially if they sell it as oem replacements from casas. Otherwise they will have a big problem. I hope we can still order the oem battery installed from japan factory, if customer wants to pay for it. Or parallel smugglers will have good business 2 or 3 years from now.

Re bmws and benz, mine all came with vartas, amazing your buddy's lasted 9 years, never heard that before. From personal experience 6 years is my max. Oh, not all bmws have batteries in the trunk, fyi. The battery i was talking about lasting 4 to 6 years is up front in the engine bay but garaged, while the 2 to 3 years was in the trunk, parked outside. And bmw trunk battery compartment (at least on mine) aren't vented, in fact they are semi sealed as they are covered by trunk mat lined with carpet. Just that the battery have a tube going outside the vehicle to release whatever it needs releasing that can be bad for humans.

Totally agree, balong sir. The japanese Q85 will probably be 10k-ish more upon reaching our shores. If they'd last 4-6, then iStop would be worthy here.
Oh, true, not all bimmer batts are trunk mounted. My reference there was to my bud's R53. DIN batts come w/ holes for tube venting. Mazda should look into trunk mounting as it'll help.
My batts are kept healthy w/ the aid of a pacemaker, Deltran Battery Tender. They help keep all those gremlins off, esp those that haunt euro BCMs & ECUs.

[vinrem]

A Meaningful Christmas to you, sir.

Same to you Sir Travs!!!

[travajante]

What are you driving now, vinrem sir?

[travajante]

The Q85 batt is likely an AGM than an Enhanced Flooded Batt...Here's more info from autobatteries.com:
"AGM batteries have been adopted by the automotive industry for their proven performance in high-end and advanced fuel-efficient vehicles with large power demands.
AGM batteries are extremely resistant to vibration, and are totally sealed, virtually spill-proof and maintenance-free. AGM offers better cycling performance, minimal gassing and acid leakage when compared with conventional lead-acid batteries.
The end result of all of the features of AGM technology is superior life performance while operating at a lower state of charge.
AGM APPLICATIONS
AGM batteries are a great premium choice for high-end and advanced fuel-efficient vehicles with large power demands and for people who seek greater reliability and longer life in auto batteries. Electronic features such as DVD players, GPS, heated seats and audio systems all add to the demands on a battery.
AGM batteries are also the preferred solution for start-stop vehicle technology, which rapidly gained popularity in Europe and entered the U.S. market in model-year 2013 vehicles.
Start-stop vehicle technology automatically shuts off the engine when your vehicle stops, such as at a traffic light or in stop-and-go traffic, and restarts it quickly and quietly when the clutch is engaged or the brake pedal is released. When the engine is off, the battery is the sole source of power to all the car’s electrical devices, such as air conditioning, the radio and the navigation system. And, in advanced start-stop systems with features like regenerative braking or passive boost, the battery is stressed even more.
In order to power electrical loads during engine-off periods and to support a high number of starts per trip, these vehicles need a battery that is more robust than the typical lead-acid battery. With superior cycling capability, charge acceptance and the ability to operate at a low state of charge, AGM is the technology of choice.
AGM CONSTRUCTION
In AGM batteries, the positive and negative plates are separated by an absorbent glass mat that absorbs and holds the battery’s acid and prevents it from flowing freely inside the battery. The plates are tightly compressed into each cell and held under pressure in the plastic case. The internal compression limits the shedding of plate material caused by cycling and allows for significantly longer life. The element compression also lowers internal resistance and maximizes pulse power output. A rigid container maintains the necessary compression throughout the battery’s life.
The basic design also includes relief venting to release pressure from minor gassing that occurs during charging. The valves open at low pressure and close automatically to prevent air from leaking into the battery."
AGM BENEFITS:
-Longer life and dependability
-Handles high electrical loads
-Quickly recharges and extends cycle life
-Ideal for start-stop applications
-Vibration tolerance
-Non-spillable and maintenance-free
-Greater mounting flexibility
AGM DISADVANTAGES:
-Higher initial investment

Here's a link to Century's Q85(Aussie) w/ only an 18mo warranty:
http://www.everybattery.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=Q85

Specifications:
Length (mm): 232
Width: 173
Height: 200
Cold Cranking Amps: 650
Reserve Capacity (Minutes): 112
Online Price: Au$439.00

I really hope Motolite has the technology to do AGMs.

[balongbalong]

Totally agree, balong sir. The japanese Q85 will probably be 10k-ish more upon reaching our shores. If they'd last 4-6, then iStop would be worthy here.
Oh, true, not all bimmer batts are trunk mounted. My reference there was to my bud's R53. DIN batts come w/ holes for tube venting. Mazda should look into trunk mounting as it'll help.
My batts are kept healthy w/ the aid of a pacemaker, Deltran Battery Tender. They help keep all those gremlins off, esp those that haunt euro BCMs & ECUs.

What euro cars did own that you used those deltran and never experienced problems? Interesting.

Curiously my problems with my bmw's gm5 and dme's problems were not battery related.

Even changing to motolite didn't give me problems too other than its spec are just not up to spec kaya my interior lights were flickering and lasted just after less than a month warranty expired. Changing back to varta corrected this. But no way did motolite destroy or give any other problems.

[travajante]

What euro cars did own that you used those deltran and never experienced problems? Interesting.

Curiously my problems with my bmw's gm5 and dme's problems were not battery related.

Even changing to motolite didn't give me problems too other than its spec are just not up to spec kaya my interior lights were flickering and lasted just after less than a month warranty expired. Changing back to varta corrected this. But no way did motolite destroy or give any other problems.

We've a small group of R53 enthusiasts & DIY tinkerers & 1 has a few Ms..... a 1series, a Lime Rock, & an F80. All tended & kept healthy by Deltran, which extends batt life significantly. Among the batts I've had, Motolite is indeed among the inferior. No, it's doesn't hurt any til it weakens....& somehow they all seem to have built-in expiry timers. Sadly & ironically, I'm still on 1 now. Haha

I'm just not sure if batt tenders can work or help Q85s in vehicles w/ iStop, iEloop & similar regenerative systems. I'm more doubtful than positive.

[balongbalong]

We've a small group of R53 enthusiasts & DIY tinkerers & 1 has a few Ms..... a 1series, a Lime Rock, & an F80. All tended & kept healthy by Deltran, which extends batt life significantly. Among the batts I've had, Motolite is indeed among the inferior. No, it's doesn't hurt any til it weakens....& somehow they all seem to have built-in expiry timers. Sadly & ironically, I'm still on 1 now. Haha

I'm just not sure if batt tenders can work or help Q85s in vehicles w/ iStop, iEloop & similar regenerative systems. I'm more doubtful than positive.

So the cooper s still with you? Eto yun sabi mo na naka motolite pa? You never had gm5 or dme problems?

[travajante]

So the cooper s still with you? Eto yun sabi mo na naka motolite pa? You never had gm5 or dme problems?

Yup, an aging ex-daily & the lone 1 left w/ a Motolite. The why is a long traumatic story of being stranded on a supposedly stress-relieving roadtrip. The Mlite died on the ferry & the place I visited only had 1 DIN66 in the entire province & twas another Mlite. Talk about fate & destiny. Haha
So far prayer power has kept it reliable & gremlin free. Not superstitious, but let's hope we don't jinx any, balong sir.

[vinrem]

What are you driving now, vinrem sir?

Oh, I have a 7 years old kia carens here in PH, but I'm planning to replace her next year.

[travajante]

Oh, I have a 7 years old kia carens here in PH, but I'm planning to replace her next year.

Next year is just days away.
What candidates have you?

[vinrem]

Next year is just days away.
What candidates have you?

Been thinking of the new 2016 Toyota innova, I need a hauler who can seat 7-8, got a big family here in ph hehehehe, unlike in China that it's only me and my wife and sometimes another two passengers.

[travajante]

Been thinking of the new 2016 Toyota innova, I need a hauler who can seat 7-8, got a big family here in ph hehehehe, unlike in China that it's only me and my wife and sometimes another two passengers.

You can't go wrong w/ an Innova.

[suketchi]

Hello! Sorry if this will be a noob question, cause I am a noob myself

Nitong past days na malalamig ang panahon at madalas ang pag-uulan, kapag binuksan ko yung door nung hatchback ko, napapansin ko na may basa dun sa loob ng car sa may ilalim ng door. Then nagkakaroon din ng misting sa loob ng mga windows. Basa yung windshield at windows from the inside. After ko punasan, then babalik na naman ulit.

Normal lang ba yun? And may mga ways ba para i-prevent itong scenario na ito?