Pls don't use your phone inside a gas station Silver Vios ZRB ep# 2

[SaberRider]

Petron, Philcoa Commonwealth ave, around 10pm tonight.
I was ready to fuel up on my suv(another oil price hike coming up)
when I noticed a stalled Vios Plate ZRB EP#2. One of the gas boys helped the guy
push his vehicle out of the fuel pump and next to the garage where a fuel tank truck was parked.
The guy was accompanied by his gf, both outside hugging each other..... geezz guys, get a room or stay in the car will you?!
What got to my attention was the guy was using his mobile phone. I immediately went off my suv and went to them and informed
the guy that what he was doing was dangerous. His stupid reasoning was because his vehicle stalled that's why he was making a call.
I told him to pls call outside the gas station premise because I highly doubt that he was at least 50ft away from the nearest pump coz it took me less than
15 paces from the nearest pump to approach him. He provokedly answered to me as if were to challenge me was that "he didn't need this right now!" While looking
at his vios I asked him if he was the owner, he answered yes, he was. I requested for him to at least show me his ORCR of that vehicle and he answered "I have no obligation to show it to you"
I mean, hello! I smell a potential citizen arrest here. You're caught red handed doing something wrong and potentialy dangerous! Hey, I was more than willing to show my ID's and Documentation but sadly the guy didn't step up to the plate. Siguro yabangan lang, "it's mine" pero in truth, auto ni mom or dad ito. Sadly, he didn't give me the satisfaction. Perhaps he wasn't thinking that what he was doing was already a violation and a safety hazzard issue, not to mention he was kinda challenging me with his stare alone... I didn't want to tell him who I was so I just requested him to pls make his call at the side of the station. You just have to be patient with individuals like these. He complied because he said "ayaw ko ng gulo/away!" I went back to the station and informed one of the staff there why are they permitting someone like him to make calls like that eventhough if it's an emergency. That's why there are safety regulations put up there in the first place! Besides, I think the dude didn't notice that he was less than 10ft from the gas tank truck while using his cel. After my suv was filled up, I went to his gf and informed her that perhaps her bf wasn't aware of the safety radius of using a mobile phone within the gas station premise MUCH MORE using a mobile phone less than 10ft next to a gas tank truck with fuel. I informed her the next time that will happen, a citizen arrest would be the least of his worries. I thanked her and bid her a good evening. As I left, the guy came back. He was thinking bout his own safety kasi nasiraan siya that he compromised the safety of others. Kailangan pa ba pag sabihan ang mga taong ganito??? Di naman sila bata eh. The End.

Moral lesson besides from using a cel in place like that.

"it's one thing to be arrogant and another thing to be ignorant!"

"Situational awareness lang po!"

"Rules are rules! I personally think that the cel wouldn't ignite the fuel but hey, were purchasing THEIR fuel so we must as well comply!"

[ghosthunter]

Frankly, there is NO evidence that mobile phones can cause fires at service stations.

The only reason why the Philippines has the stupid anti-celphone law is that the law makers are stupid enough to believe a stupid TXT message without any other proof to verify.

If it was another guy with less than perfect anger control that you were harassing, he might have already knocked you off your feet.

If you think there was a violation of safety protocols, your duty was to inform the attendant and/or manager. PERIOD.

[BratPAQ]

same with not turning off engine while filling-up. i bet you would spend 24/7 around the gasoline station if you would be consistent with your "concern".

all i read here is failed power trip, the guy didnt provoke you enough. naiinggit ka ba sa hugging nila at pati yun eh pinansin mo lolo?

[jerjer&qtqt]

You should have informed the management and not confront him personally. Lalo na pinalalabas mo OR/CR. Kung ako yun, sasabihin ko who are you? Buti hindi ka tinira at sabihin na self defense. Mas arrogant ata yung dating mo kasi naka-SUV ka then namomoroblema na siya tapos sisitahin mo pa instead of offering your help.

[beereo]

it's inappropriate to ask for the or/cr of the driver if you are not a law enforcement officer clothed with the authority of demanding the production of such documents in case of infractions. i have not read any special penal law penalizing persons who use cellular phones while in a gas station. if i were in that situation, i will not definitely give such important documents to anybody because it is my right.

[aejhayl17]

Frankly, there is NO evidence that mobile phones can cause fires at service stations.

The only reason why the Philippines has the stupid anti-celphone law is that the law makers are stupid enough to believe a stupid TXT message without any other proof to verify.

If it was another guy with less than perfect anger control that you were harassing, he might have already knocked you off your feet.

If you think there was a violation of safety protocols, your duty was to inform the attendant and/or manager. PERIOD.

+100M to sir GH
saw it at mythbusters, and its not even plausible to light a gasoline with you mobile phone.

i think TS over react. as if the poor guy have been smoking in the station's premises. in that situation you should have react that way. sorry TS but i have my sympathy with the poor guy.

[roninblade]

"it's one thing to be arrogant and another thing to be ignorant!"

"Situational awareness lang po!"

"Rules are rules! I personally think that the cel wouldn't ignite the fuel but hey, were purchasing THEIR fuel so we must as well comply!"

from your post edit di ka pala naniniwala na safety hazard yung mobile phone use sa gas station; why then did you personally harass the guy instead of reporting it to the station management?


sorry but i have more sympathy with vios guy. if using a cellphone in a gas station was dangerous andami na nasunog na stations sa mundo dahil sa mga taong kagaya ni vios guy.

[BratPAQ]

if using a cellphone in a gas station was dangerous andami na nasunog na stations sa mundo dahil sa mga taong kagaya ni vios guy.

actually the law is "turn off your cellphone" not "dont use your cellphone". if the TS actually have his cellphone with him and its powered ON while talking to the guy, he might as well arrest himself too.

[roninblade]

actually the law is "turn off your cellphone" not "dont use your cellphone". if the TS actually have his cellphone with him and its powered ON while talking to the guy, he might as well arrest himself too.

hahaha! o nga pala noh.

[Revenant]

"Rules are rules! I personally think that the cel wouldn't ignite the fuel but hey, were purchasing THEIR fuel so we must as well comply!"

What got to my attention was the guy was using his mobile phone. I immediately went off my suv and went to them and informed the guy that what he was doing was dangerous...

...He was thinking bout his own safety kasi nasiraan siya that he compromised the safety of others.

Hehehehehe.

[FIREMEDIC11]

Its not plausible for a Mobile Phone to spark a fire in a gas station. However, static electricity that is caused be the person itself could cause a spark and ignite the fumes.

This is a tried and tested fact that fires in gas stations are caused primarily of static electricity. Nevertheless, caution is to be excercised whenever near gas pumps or reserviors.

[roninblade]

Its not plausible for a Mobile Phone to spark a fire in a gas station. However, static electricity that is caused be the person itself could cause a spark and ignite the fumes.

This is a tried and tested fact that fires in gas stations are caused primarily of static electricity. Nevertheless, caution is to be excercised whenever near gas pumps or reserviors.

yes, we've all seen videos of static electricity causing fires in gas stations. pero can a guy standing at a gas station while using a mobile phone generate enough static electricity to jump to the gas truck 10 feet away and ignite the petrol? that's quite a stretch.

[danesjr]

what a stupid rule.

[Type 100]

Its not plausible for a Mobile Phone to spark a fire in a gas station. However, static electricity that is caused be the person itself could cause a spark and ignite the fumes.

This is a tried and tested fact that fires in gas stations are caused primarily of static electricity. Nevertheless, caution is to be excercised whenever near gas pumps or reserviors.

Agreed. We are actually fortunate in this regard because most of the time the Philippine climate isn't conducive to static electricity generation.

Even so, there are ways of ridding yourself of any potential static. Like any serious computer builder will tell you (static is also dangerous to computer parts - it can fry them), to remove any static, all you need to do is touch a metal piece before approaching or working with the item you don't want static on. On a computer you can touch the case frame; on a car you can simply touch the door (or better yet close it) before using the pump.

More info here on avoiding static-related gas pump fires.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...tic-fires2.htm
http://www.cfs.purdue.edu/extension/...ndout-long.pdf

[SaberRider]

it's inappropriate to ask for the or/cr of the driver if you are not a law enforcement officer clothed with the authority of demanding the production of such documents in case of infractions. i have not read any special penal law penalizing persons who use cellular phones while in a gas station. if i were in that situation, i will not definitely give such important documents to anybody because it is my right.

errr... yes, I'm from law enforcement.

2nd.. that's why the staff will tell you like "sir pls switch off your phones and no using of it"

3rd, in court you couldn't say.. "eh sa mythbusters it was proven wrong." Again, it's one thing to disagree and another to disobey. Ganun lang po ka simple yun.

4th, yes I did inform the staff. Ano magagawa nila pag skeleton crew sila that night? Hihintayin ko nalang ba? I mean, c'mon guys the cellphone ban sign is practically posted on the walls.

5th, nakiusap naman ako ng maayos sa person. If he wanted to come to blows with me, then diretso arrest na yun. That's why I said I "requested" and not ordered. Like what I said, you have to be patient with those individuals.

6th, yeah.. I switch off my mobile phone every time I enter the gas station to fill up... don't you???

[ghosthunter]

http://www.rkmfiles.net/forums/index.php?topic=192.0

Citizen's Arrest:

A citizen may conduct an arrest without the need for a warrant if he has personal knowledge that a crime has been committed or in fact is being committed or has been committed and he has personal knowledge that the person he is going to arrest is the one who committed the crime.

Rule 113 of the Rules of Court, sec. 5. enumerates the circumstances in which a private person can make an arrest. The general rules is that, arrest must be made with a warrant of arrest. The exception to this rule is that of sec. 5 as follows:

a private person may, without a warrant, arrest a person:

(a) When, in his presence, the person to be arrested has committed, is actually committing, or is attempting to commit an offense;

(b) When an offense has just been committed and he has probable cause to believe based on personal knowledge of facts or circumstances that the person to be arrested has committed it; and

(c) When the person to be arrested is a prisoner who has escaped from a penal establishment or place where he is serving final judgment or is temporarily confined while his case is pending, or has escaped while being transferred from one confinement to another.

[ghosthunter]

errr... yes, I'm from law enforcement.

If you are from law enforcement, why do you need to do a "citizen's arrest" then?

Next, if you are from law enforcement, you are required to show identification BEFORE anything else. There are PROPER PROCEDURES that are supposed to be done before proceeding with duties.

4th, yes I did inform the staff. Ano magagawa nila pag skeleton crew sila that night? Hihintayin ko nalang ba? I mean, c'mon guys the cellphone ban sign is practically posted on the walls.

If you are from law enforcement, it is NOT your duty to enforce the management rules of a gasoline station. You are stepping out of bounds of your own jurisdiction.

5th, nakiusap naman ako ng maayos sa person. If he wanted to come to blows with me, then diretso arrest na yun. That's why I said I "requested" and not ordered. Like what I said, you have to be patient with those individuals.

Maybe that was what you were trying to make happen? You were intentionally trying to provoke him to violence?

I do not see you trying to ask him properly. You didn't show who you are, you just went directly asking for his OR/CR.

6th, yeah.. I switch off my mobile phone every time I enter the gas station to fill up... don't you???

Nope. I don't bother because it cannot cause a gas station to catch fire.

[Kankarot]

To the TS, please define exactly what position or branch of law enforcement you currently employed with. Meron kasing iba na taga photocopy lang ng papel sa NBI or Police station, law enforcement na din daw. You may have good intentions by what you want to do and I applaud your vigor in exercising such, but the way you did it was way wrong!! You're just put yourself in the same level as the jerks from pasay police who harass motorists with their imagined swerving violations.

[roninblade]

6th, yeah.. I switch off my mobile phone every time I enter the gas station to fill up... don't you???

Nope. I don't bother because it cannot cause a gas station to catch fire.

this is the reason why this is a useless law - 99.99% of visitors/customer don't turn off, and even use, their phones in gas stations yet we have never had a case of fire resulting from mobile phones. mas delikado pa nga yun nakikita ko nagyoyosi sa tabi ng open tank that is being filled, which i see from time to time.

gumawa kasi agad ng law about this eh wala naman evidence proving the case.

[tanatej]

I guess the last thing anyone needs after his car gets stalled is an EPAL who thinks he knows better.

Smoking in a gas station is one thing, but MOBILE PHONES? I don't think it's even remotely possible to ignite fuel using a mobile phone. It doesn't even warm my ears when I use it.

Instead of dumagdag ka sa problema sana tumulong ka nalang.