Greenbelt 5 Robbery

[Galactus]

Another black eye for the Ayala Group, which in my opinion, is an overrated conglomerate. Apparently, mall management didn't heed the PNP advisories on police posers.

Also, mukhang engot din yung mga guards na nakaposte dun. Dead giveaway na yung markings na "Bomb Squad" sa likod, tapos may "Bitag" sa harap. WTF? Real Bomb Squad technicians don't bring M-16 rifles with grenade launchers, but canines and bomb-defusing equipment.

The bag carried by the dead robber contained the Rolexes. The other bag the surviving robbers took were the Tudor watches worth P6 million. Unfortunately, the insurance doesn't cover robbery/ terrorist acts. The robbers will have a hard time unloading the loot w/o the original boxes and COA.

AFAIK, covered naman ang robbery/burglary. Usually, its a rider incorporated sa main policy (Property insurance). Not unless hindi talaga pina-cover ng may-ari ng Rolex store kasi gustong magtipid sa premium.

[Altis6453]

AFAIK, covered naman ang robbery/burglary. Usually, its a rider incorporated sa main policy (Property insurance). Not unless hindi talaga pina-cover ng may-ari ng Rolex store kasi gustong magtipid sa premium.

Yup. The major mall operators require comprehensive as well as general liability insurance, including coverage for theft and robbery for its tenants.

[creepy]

Another black eye for the Ayala Group, which in my opinion, is an overrated conglomerate. Apparently, mall management didn't heed the PNP advisories on police posers.

Also, mukhang engot din yung mga guards na nakaposte dun. Dead giveaway na yung markings na "Bomb Squad" sa likod, tapos may "Bitag" sa harap. WTF? Real Bomb Squad technicians don't bring M-16 rifles with grenade launchers, but canines and bomb-defusing equipment.

One shouldn't be too harsh on the guards. Do you think you can react quickly enough if six well-armed people who act like policemen rushing to something urgent confront you?

One needs to be a little more circumspect about things before hurling insults.

[Rev!t]

One shouldn't be too harsh on the guards. Do you think you can react quickly enough if six well-armed people who act like policemen rushing to something urgent confront you?

One needs to be a little more circumspect about things before hurling insults.

Agree on this.

That's why Im also waiting for the news regarding the CCTV footages of the mall entrances. Note that G5 is a new building, and security cameras should be mandatory to beef-up security.

Pwede rin kasi na na-hogtied na yung mga guwardiya dahil planado nga ito. And in case ganun ang nangyari, dapat naalerto ng mall ang kapulisan at naka-respond agad.

For me, I'll comment more against the mall owner (kahit Ayala pa) and designers because of these and not just against the guards.

[Galactus]

That is what's fundamentally wrong with us. We're simply too forgiving, which is why incidents like these will happen again and again till eternity. Because some bleeding hearts don't put people to task for their errors and omissions.

Those guards received proper training (or should have), since it's their job. It's all a matter of preparing. And they should have reviewed their security procedures in light of the PNP advisories re: police posers and similar capers in Ever Commonwealth and WalterMart. Instead, they slacked off and thought Fortress Greenbelt was impregnable. I doubt if they conduct simulations (accident, robbery response, fire and earthquake, etc). Buti na lang walang nadamay na civilians.

Parang Typhoon Ondoy yan eh. Pandak apologists blamed the unusual rainfall, but kahit Great Flood pa yan, basta prepared yung government agencies, hindi dapat ganun kalala yung death toll. Pumalpak ang FEMA ng US, so as a result, heads rolled. Dapat ganun din mangyari dito.

I'll let the NCRPO top cop do the talking...

Nothing personal peeps. Just blowing off some steam after dealing with incompetent CSR's from Globe Telecom.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...-investigation

Mall security agency under investigation


By Marlon Ramos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 16:03:00 10/19/2009

Filed Under: Police, Security (general)


MANILA, Philippines—The National Capital Regional Police Office on Monday put under investigation the entire personnel of a security agency manning the swank mall in Makati City which several armed robbers stormed Sunday noon.

Director Roberto Rosales, NCRPO chief, expressed his dismay over the supposed failure of the 33 watchmen of Emirate Security Agency to help out the two police escorts of Taguig City Mayor Freddie Tiñga who engaged at least seven robbers in a brief gunfight.

The security company is owned by former Philippine National Police chief Edgardo Aglipay.

In a press briefing in Camp Bagong Diwa in Taguig City, Rosales noted that the mall's security personnel breached several "standard operating procedures" in dealing with men brandishing long firearms and posing as policemen.

"If only five or 10 of them came to our men's rescue, then we could have probably neutralized those who entered the store," Rosales told reporters.

Footages taken by the closed circuit television cameras inside the Rolex shop showed that five men clad in black fatigue uniform entered the store, broke the glass displays with a hammer and placed expensive wristwatches in two tennis bags.

But before the robbers could get out, a security aide of Tiñga shot and killed one of the armed men.

Rosales said a fact-finding committee he created would make recommendations regarding the possible sanctions that the police might pursue against Aglipay's security agency.

[creepy]

That's what fundamentally wrong with SOME of us (not ALL of us). Some of us are simply too judgemental which is why we always end up finger-pointing and blaming other people.

That is not to say we can't improve. There's just no excuse in jumping to conclusions, flinging insults and calling people names when one WAS NOT THERE!

Nothing personal -- but let ALL OF US be a little more mature.

And yes, please let the authorities do the talking. And don't try TOO HARD to prove your point.

[honismitoy]

This unfortunate incident can happen to all malls. Expect more daring heist in the weeks to come.

[Galactus]

Well, live your life the way you want. I can be judgmental all I want, it's a free world after all. I didn't jump to conclusions. I made an opinion, period. An opinion is way, way different from a conclusion.

And I'm not trying too hard. Actually, I'm a little soft pa nga. Read the news and listen to the radio. Compared to some, my comments are kid stuff. I posted the news link to prove my point that there were lapses on the part of the security force manning the mall. Trying hard na pala yun? Hehehe, great logic.

Jeez, what's up with bleeding hearts anyway?! This is a forum, people can express what they want, so long as it's not in violation of the rules. And does someone have to be personally there to comment on something?!

[roninblade]

i'm of a mind Galactus in that kulang ng proper consequence dito sa atin kung meron gumawa ng kapalpakan. somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but we rarely hear about people losing their jobs because they did not do it properly - especially when it comes to public safety.

[Monseratto]

The poor heroes of the Greenbelt robbery complained that they were apparently beaten up by the keystone security. The two cops weren't in uniform. One of the customers almost became a hostage because he took time to return the watch he was fitting in the middle of the robbery. Fortunate for him and his family who hurriedly ran and left him behind in the store...

[shadow]

The poor heroes of the Greenbelt robbery were apparently beaten up by the keystone security. The two cops weren't in uniform.

are you talking about the two security details of Mayor Tinga?

I thought they were in uniform? I heard their interviews yesterday and they are not the close in security detail of Mayor Tinga but rather a back up security riding on a marked mobile police car.

[Monseratto]

are you talking about the two security details of Mayor Tinga?

I thought they were in uniform? I heard their interviews yesterday and they are not the close in security detail of Mayor Tinga but rather a back up security riding on a marked mobile police car.

They were interviewed yesterday and they said they were beaten up when the security finally came after the robbers already fled... They were identified themselves "pulis kami!", but I guess the security thought otherwise. Given the circumstances, it may be an honest mistake.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/49521/ac...-jewelry-store

[KERSMcRae]

The poor heroes of the Greenbelt robbery complained that they were apparently beaten up by the keystone security. The two cops weren't in uniform. ..

They were interviewed yesterday and they said they were beaten up when the security finally came after the robbers already fled...

^^ I haven't read/heard about that. If it's TRUE, that will only prove the guards are engot and the so called world-class G5 mall is not better compared those malls in old Divisoria.

[Altis6453]

The poor heroes of the Greenbelt robbery complained that they were apparently beaten up by the keystone security. The two cops weren't in uniform....

Is this true? Tiglao and Ceniza weren't saying that on tv.

[_Qwerty_]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

A Rolex Center official said that aside from losing P6 million worth of Tudor watches, the store has to shell out P2 million for repairing damage.

“We need to rehabilitate the store and we will be spending P2 million for its rehabilitation. The store is presently closed. The Tudor wristwatches that we lost to the robbers and the store are not covered by insurance,” the official said.

[Monseratto]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

AFAIK, covered naman ang robbery/burglary. Usually, its a rider incorporated sa main policy (Property insurance). Not unless hindi talaga pina-cover ng may-ari ng Rolex store kasi gustong magtipid sa premium.

Nagtipid nga...

[praetor91313]

They were interviewed yesterday and they said they were beaten up when the security finally came after the robbers already fled... They were identified themselves "pulis kami!", but I guess the security thought otherwise. Given the circumstances, it may be an honest mistake.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/49521/ac...-jewelry-store

He he he... they should've shouted, " Hindi nila kami kasama, totoong pulis kami!" since the robbers themselves were wearing Bomb squad and Bitag shirts...

[shadow]

^^ I haven't read/heard about that. If it's TRUE, that will only prove the guards are engot and the so called world-class G5 mall is not better compared those malls in old Divisoria.

Is this true? Tiglao and Ceniza weren't saying that on tv.

+3, I never heard them said they were beaten up.

[praetor91313]

Dissect lang natin itong post na to:

That's what fundamentally wrong with SOME of us (not ALL of us). Some of us are simply too judgemental which is why we always end up finger-pointing and blaming other people.

That is not to say we can't improve. There's just no excuse in jumping to conclusions, flinging insults and calling people names when one WAS NOT THERE!

Isn't saying some people here are judgmental and immature not tantamount to calling them names?

Also, isn't your saying some of us are judgmental and immature not being jugmental yourself?

Nothing personal -- but let ALL OF US be a little more mature.

And yes, please let the authorities do the talking. And don't try TOO HARD to prove your point.

After speaking (er... writing) your mind, you tell us to let the authorities do the talking? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

I thought this was a forum? Aren't forums supposed to serve as venues for people to speak their thoughts (within reason, of course)?

And don't try TOO HARD to prove your point.

If you'll review your post, who's to say you're not trying too hard to prove your point? And if we're trying to prove a point, why should we not try to do it too hard? Lastly, when does trying to prove a point become too hard?

Sorry for disagreeing with you sir, but we're supposed to discuss things in forums and telling people to shut up because they're not there just isn't... appropriate.

[innoBOB[09JmtG]]

sigurado ako at may halong pulitika ito, nagkataon lang na andun bodyguards nung taguig mayor, ayun, medyo sumablay ang plano nila,

hmmm, ..

pero kung ung mga holduppers ay naka uniform ng MMDA, ay talagang MMDA yun! di un nagpapanggap! at mga baston and dala nila, at least walang makakapatay sa baston!

ganayan talaga sa makati!!